Alan Pardew

[Mick]

 

 

Is Pardew on twitter?

 

No, it was a rant about twitter, sorry for not being clearer.

[Wullie]

I still rate him.

 

As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong.

 

With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it.

 

The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten.

 

We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able  to forge an effective partnership with him.

 

He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton.

 

Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season.

 

Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive.

 

Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread.

 

Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying.

 

We've gone from pushing for a Champions League place to hoping we win a relegation 6-pointer the week after the champions batter us. It's a s**** state of affairs and the bloke who makes all of the decisions is to blame for it.

 

I now instinctively look at the team below us to see who can catch us nowadays. I've written off top-half. I also know we'll go out of Europe shortly thanks to the surrender at home to Maritimo.

 

Don't give me this s****  like it's ok and we're all over-reacting to a small blip. It's been f***ing awful, call a spade a f***ing spade ffs.

 

Who was it who got us pushing for a Champions League place though? Was he clueless then, and just incredibly lucky?

 

How shocking can we get until this excuse is worn out?

 

Isn't it a valid point though?

 

One amazing season and one poor half-season. Who's to say that the negative one is the real evidence?

 

His career up to this point?

 

Amazing is seriously pushing it like. You know as well as I do that the same criticisms were aimed at him for large swathes of last season and your defence was always always "We're 5th. We're 5th. We're 5th"

 

Well now we're not 5th and won't be any time soon. What's the defence now? "We were 5th"

 

FFS.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ian W is on the payroll. Move along...

 

That's pathetic TBH.

[JH]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They know what a defeat is though, surely?

[eliassenfredrik]

I still rate him.

 

As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong.

 

With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it.

 

The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten.

 

We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able  to forge an effective partnership with him.

 

He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton.

 

Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season.

 

Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive.

 

Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread.

 

Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying.

 

We've gone from pushing for a Champions League place to hoping we win a relegation 6-pointer the week after the champions batter us. It's a s**** state of affairs and the bloke who makes all of the decisions is to blame for it.

 

I now instinctively look at the team below us to see who can catch us nowadays. I've written off top-half. I also know we'll go out of Europe shortly thanks to the surrender at home to Maritimo.

 

Don't give me this s****  like it's ok and we're all over-reacting to a small blip. It's been f***ing awful, call a spade a f***ing spade ffs.

 

Who was it who got us pushing for a Champions League place though? Was he clueless then, and just incredibly lucky?

 

How shocking can we get until this excuse is worn out?

 

Isn't it a valid point though?

 

One amazing season and one poor half-season. Who's to say that the negative one is the real evidence?

 

It was valid, then it got less valid and now it's the last card to play. He isn't helping his cause, when we week in and out never compete in games. We depend on Ben Arfa almost solely. Also he doesn't take any blame and when he's not addressing the problems, fans will eventually start to doubt.

[Jack Flash]

Ian W is on the payroll. Move along...

 

Or a fan with his own opinion.

 

The same opinion on every subject. Almost always the contrary one coincidentally.

[alexf]

 

We've gone from pushing for a Champions League place to hoping we win a relegation 6-pointer the week after the champions batter us. It's a shite state of affairs and the bloke who makes all of the decisions is to blame for it.

 

I now instinctively look at the team below us to see who can catch us nowadays. I've written off top-half. I also know we'll go out of Europe shortly thanks to the surrender at home to Maritimo.

 

Don't give me this shite  like it's ok and we're all over-reacting to a small blip. It's been fucking awful, call a spade a fucking spade ffs.

 

Sickens me. All because Mike and Derek failed to invest and build on a great season. Came into this season thinking top 8 at best given the lack of investment but now having not really played well still, it is going to become a horrible nerve-racking season for us to endure.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't remember really having 'a defence' last season, I was just enjoying it IIRC.

 

Anyway, as I said, I'm not wedded to Pardew or desperate to defend him. I just think that what he achieved last year buys him more than a half season before he should be sacked. We'll get absolutely nowhere through sacking managers all the time, especially not with Ashley in charge.

[Spudil]

I still rate him.

 

As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong.

 

With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it.

 

The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten.

 

We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able  to forge an effective partnership with him.

 

He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton.

 

Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season.

 

Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive.

 

Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread.

 

Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying.

 

We've gone from pushing for a Champions League place to hoping we win a relegation 6-pointer the week after the champions batter us. It's a s**** state of affairs and the bloke who makes all of the decisions is to blame for it.

 

I now instinctively look at the team below us to see who can catch us nowadays. I've written off top-half. I also know we'll go out of Europe shortly thanks to the surrender at home to Maritimo.

 

Don't give me this s****  like it's ok and we're all over-reacting to a small blip. It's been f***ing awful, call a spade a f***ing spade ffs.

 

Who was it who got us pushing for a Champions League place though? Was he clueless then, and just incredibly lucky?

 

How shocking can we get until this excuse is worn out?

 

Isn't it a valid point though?

 

One amazing season and one poor half-season. Who's to say that the negative one is the real evidence?

 

His career up to this point?

 

Amazing is seriously pushing it like. You know as well as I do that the same criticisms were aimed at him for large swathes of last season and your defence was always always "We're 5th. We're 5th. We're 5th"

 

Well now we're not 5th and won't be any time soon. What's the defence now? "We were 5th"

 

FFS.

 

tbf

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ian W is on the payroll. Move along...

 

Or a fan with his own opinion.

 

The same opinion on every subject. Almost always the contrary one coincidentally.

 

I have feelings too you know.

[Mick]

 

 

Who was it who got us pushing for a Champions League place though? Was he clueless then, and just incredibly lucky?

 

A lot of it was.  we were lucky that we had a reasonably easy start to last season and were able to builf up a good head of steam early in the season which allowed us to get going.  We were lucky that Ba and Cisse were burying everything they hit at different times in the season and we had other luck but it wasn't all down to luck.

[Jack Flash]

Ian W is on the payroll. Move along...

 

Or a fan with his own opinion.

 

The same opinion on every subject. Almost always the contrary one coincidentally.

 

I have feelings too you know.

 

You're the most lovable person I wouldn't ever want to meet. I worry for you at times like this.

[Guest neesy111]

I don't remember really having 'a defence' last season, I was just enjoying it IIRC.

 

Anyway, as I said, I'm not wedded to Pardew or desperate to defend him. I just think that what he achieved last year buys him more than a half season before he should be sacked. We'll get absolutely nowhere through sacking managers all the time, especially not with Ashley in charge.

 

I'm guessing the thing here is that people on here have different view points of when do you change things before it's too late.  We on current form are heading into a relegation crisis at this rate, when do you change things before its too late?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ian W is on the payroll. Move along...

 

Or a fan with his own opinion.

 

The same opinion on every subject. Almost always the contrary one coincidentally.

 

I have feelings too you know.

 

You're the most lovable person I wouldn't ever want to meet. I worry for you at times like this.

 

Nah I'm fine, just hope we can get some results before too long.

[Pata]

The replacement is nailed on to be Mark Hughes. Is that really a brighter future?

[Mick]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They understand what dropping from 5th to whereever we end up means £'s.

[Dokko]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They understand what dropping from 5th to whereever we end up means £'s.

 

Depends. They saved more not buying players.

[ponsaelius]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They understand what dropping from 5th to whereever we end up means £'s.

 

Probably but they're happy to take that drop since it meant not investing over the summer. I think they're happy for us to bob along achieving nothing but staying afloat, and I'm sure they think Pardew can do that.

[JH]

There'll come a point where it becomes a case of salvaging the season rather than saving it.

 

Pardew needs to be gone by then. We still have the players and time to turn it around. That's why I want him replaced now rather than waiting for him to fuck up further.

[Guest neesy111]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They understand what dropping from 5th to whereever we end up means £'s.

 

IMO Season Ticket sales will plummet next season, not a chance I'm paying to watch the shite I've had to this season.  Cuppled in with prize money being vastly down, it'll be a big hit.

[KaKa]

Here's the thing with Cisse. Has never previously played out wide as far as I know.

 

Ba on the other hand played exclusively on the left at Hoffenheim.

 

I'm sorry, but if Ba doesn't want to play there for the better of the team, then he sits. Period.

 

Especially as it is also increasingly looking as though he won't be around much longer, as he is not happy to sign a new contract.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Here's the thing with Cisse. Has never previously played out wide as far as I know.

 

Ba on the other hand played exclusively on the left at Hoffenheim.

 

I'm sorry, but if Ba doesn't want to play there for the better of the team, then he sits. Period.

 

Especially as it is also increasingly looking as though he won't be around much longer, as he is not happy to sign a new contract.

 

I totally agree with this, it's inexplicable that Ba isn't playing on the left every game.

[Disco]

Ashley and Llambias aren't football men. They don't understand football and almost certainly can't see how terrible our football is every week. Even if they could it matters little to them.

 

This is the main reason I can't see them sacking him unless it gets absolutely desperate in terms of relegation.

 

They understand what dropping from 5th to whereever we end up means £'s.

Assuming the same as last season (5th to 15th):

£7.5m less in merit payments + £2-3m is future TV payments due to lower league positioning this season.

 

The increased TV deal money will override all of that though...I think.

[Guest neesy111]

Can I just say what has Pardew done in the past apart from 5th last season to warrant such backing?

 

I'm going to eat a cake full of humble pie with West Ham when I next see him who predicted last season it'll all fall apart under Pardew.

[alexthegreat]

                               

I still rate him.

 

As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong.

 

With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it.

 

The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten.

 

We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able  to forge an effective partnership with him.

 

He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton.

 

Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season.

 

Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive.

 

Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread.

 

The main reason I dislike Pardew is that its very hard to see any intelligent or logical thought behind his tactics, beyond personal preference. Even when we were going direct with Hughton, we had a game plan, i.e. getting Barton to hit long diagonals at our front men to get behind their defensive line, or setting the team up to benefit from Carroll's flick-ons. Our defence had a proper game plan too; remember the high line, which was actually effective at pressuring the other team off the ball quickly? Or our triple-layered defensive line which made us impregnable in some games? When Pardew took over he brought nothing new to the team for a while and we did just fine.

 

That, and he's a smug egoistic prick who will never learn from his mistakes or put any blame on himself ala Souness.

           

 

Over the course of nearly 2 years he has taken over this side:

 

                                            Harper

 

Simpson  Williamson / Taylor Colo  Enrique

 

          Jonas            Nolan      Tiote          Barton

 

                Ameobi  Lovenkrands

 

And delivered a mid table finish without having the player the side was built around for half the season (despite being assured that he would have him)

 

 

He then put out this side and delivered an 11 game unbeaten run. Again he had to do this without the striker and the left back he was promised in the summer:

 

                                  Krul

 

Simpson  Willo / Taylor  Colo      Taylor

 

Obertan        Tiote          Cabaye        Jonas

 

                  Best                Ba

 

 

Then when that side ran out of steam in the middle third of the season (and a lot of people on here, who have clearly learnt nothing, started absolutely slaughtering him), he made the transition to this side:

 

                                      Krul

 

        Simpson        Williamson  Colo        Santon

 

                    Jonas        Tiote  Cabaye

 

                      HBA        Cisse        Ba

 

And delivered a 5th placed finish, far beyond anyones expectations.

 

Thats not "a fluke", thats consistently good management over nearly 2 years. Compare to the many other managers we've had who don't manage to impose any system of play at all, and have clearly lost the players completely after less than a year.

 

A big part of it has been the faith he has shown in squad players. I never saw any way Perch could play in the Premier League. Since leaving Guthrie has disappeared off the faith of the earth. I remember being incredulous that Best was starting v West Ham. Pardew talked him up in the press, stuck him in the team despite the barracking he would get if we lost, and Best got a hat trick and was very effective for the rest of the year.

 

Hes now properly struggling for the 1st time in 2 years, but we are improving, and I'd back him to deliver a 4th effective starting XI. How about supporters actually show a bit of faith in him? You cannot possibly say he hasn't earned it.

 

I believe the first 6 words of your final sentence reveal a lot about the motives behind your post in this thread, and that of a lot of other posters as well.