Alan Pardew

[TRon]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:37, Inochi said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others.

 

So what? Your average fans go to enjoy a game not become pseudo managers.

[Hanshithispantz]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:24, Toon's Taylor said:

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Sky Sports seemed to be starting it last night. Long shot of him walking off the pitch at the end followed by the 27 years stat.

 

It's starting then. They'll be right on him by the end of the month, and everyone's tune will have changed.

 

Sky have been busy though, with Rafa and stirring that pot, but it looks like he might get enough results to keep them at arms length and why they've been buzzing round MoNg. Really Sky will want one of them sacked before the end of Jan, and can play each manager off against each other till one cracks.

What?

 

Sky love a good sacking man. There's the build up, the stat off, the fans opinion, former players opinion, then the chairman giving his backing, then the event itself. They then have one clubs supporters tuned in 24-7 while they interview everyone they can, put forward their own candidates, unsettle other clubs fans and then they get to the appointment where they can ask questions the fans want to hear, usually with Jim White asking you to get in contact with him personally at u2us@skysports, tell us what you think...

 

They love it.  to miss out on that, during a transfer window where they can speculate more about players coming and going, well, probably a stackable offence for their producer or something.

 

To then have two local rival clubs struggling together, I imagine sky sports office is buzzing. Double Xmas bonus this year.

I agree like, the revel in it, I just don't know if they would go as far as actively plotting to have a manager sacked

[Guest icemanblue]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:43, TRon said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others.

 

So what? Your average fans go to enjoy a game not become pseudo managers.

 

Not sure where you're going with that?

[Willow]

We need to stick with a manager through the really tough times, as we were always going to have one. We'll get it right, just need to battle on, so try to look past the next game against Man City as we've got no hope in that one. Keep the faith!

 

We're hopefully spending in January so lets see who we get in and how that changes our season

[Beren]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:37, Inochi said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others. If you know differently, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

I've not heard one person at the match, or in social interactions, say that they want Pardew out now.

 

What makes you think I was talking about you?

 

It's tosh. Plenty people on here go to games and are deeply upset with Pardew. Just because you haven't met any of them, it doesn't mean they don't exist or they're not "regular fans". You've just chosen to extrapolate a sweeping generalisation based on a very small sample (ie. your social circle) of the 50,000odd faithful. And I do think you've actively said that to denigrate the credibility of opposing viewpoints to yours rather than actually having a reasoned debate where you can scrutinise differences of opinion (funnily enough).

 

FWIW I don't want Pardew out now. I want him out after this tough run in December*

 

* - with the proviso we have someone lined up who is actually an upgrade, this time.

[cp40]

The club has a proven track record of success through managerial instabilty.

[Guest neesy111]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:48, Beren said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others. If you know differently, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

I've not heard one person at the match, or in social interactions, say that they want Pardew out now.

 

What makes you think I was talking about you?

 

It's tosh. Plenty people on here go to games and are deeply upset with Pardew. Just because you haven't met any of them, it doesn't mean they don't exist or they're not "regular fans". You've just chosen to extrapolate a sweeping generalisation based on a very small sample (ie. your social circle) of the 50,000odd faithful. And I do think you've actively said that to denigrate the credibility of opposing viewpoints to yours rather than actually having a reasoned debate where you can scrutinise differences of opinion (funnily enough).

 

FWIW I don't want Pardew out now. I want him out after this tough run in December*

 

* - with the proviso we have someone lined up who is actually an upgrade, this time.

 

[Disco]

What about the results from the Chronicle survey then, 5% wanted Pardew to go.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/dec2012/4/9/are-you-happy-with-alan-pardew-892025900.jpg

[Guest neesy111]

Newspaper in spinning statistics shocker.

[Guest icemanblue]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:48, Beren said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others. If you know differently, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

I've not heard one person at the match, or in social interactions, say that they want Pardew out now.

 

What makes you think I was talking about you?

 

It's tosh. Plenty people on here go to games and are deeply upset with Pardew. Just because you haven't met any of them, it doesn't mean they don't exist or they're not "regular fans". You've just chosen to extrapolate a sweeping generalisation based on a very small sample (ie. your social circle) of the 50,000odd faithful. And I do think you've actively said that to denigrate the credibility of opposing viewpoints to yours rather than actually having a reasoned debate where you can scrutinise differences of opinion (funnily enough).

 

FWIW I don't want Pardew out now. I want him out after this tough run in December*

 

* - with the proviso we have someone lined up who is actually an upgrade, this time.

 

The fact you posted it after one of my posts? I don't know, guess it was a hunch.

 

I wasn't making a point about the validity of one set of opinions versus the other. Nor did I claim that there would be no dissenting voices amongst the matchday support. In fact, my original post was in response to TT insinuating that people's opinions would be swayed by an increase in negative media coverage, which is somewhat unrelated to your subsequent rant.

 

My point was that there's a vast difference in 'mood', at the minute, between those I see socially, crowds at home and away games and those online. I'm not the only to have mentioned this. In fact, as recently as last night, a couple of 'our own' posted about the positive support amongst the away crowd. I don't understand why this happens, and can only speculate that it's down to some not wanting to air their 'controversial' views in front of their family and peers. Preferring instead to do it from behind the social safety of a screen and keyboard.

 

Still, sewpafan, reasoned debate, etc. lololololol

[Robster]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/dec2012/4/9/are-you-happy-with-alan-pardew-892025900.jpg

Waiting for results to.......... ?

 

[steve_69]

  On 11/12/2012 at 14:01, Robster said:

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Waiting for results to.......... ?

 

 

.....come back from the clinic but in the meantime would like Pardew sacked

[Kanj]

  On 10/12/2012 at 22:01, Kanji86 said:

Officially turned. I want him gone. Respect the man for what he did last season but he's failed his players and us. Even if the Board hung him out to try from a transfer perspective, and he's had some terrible luck with form, injuries etc. but he's the manager, and the table does not lie. He's failed to get the best out these players and he's failing us.

 

Revisiting my clearly angry and upset post last night with a more clear head...Think I vastly overreacted and hold my hand up on that one.

 

I'm back on the fence. Tired of managerial merry-go-round, tired of the negative press that we get because of it, but I'm also tired of what sort of crap we've been putting out there this campaign.

 

I just want the results to change and starting to not care how, just want it to change.

[Decky]

  On 11/12/2012 at 14:00, Disco said:

What about the results from the Chronicle survey then, 5% wanted Pardew to go.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/dec2012/4/9/are-you-happy-with-alan-pardew-892025900.jpg

 

Nearly 20% are very happy?

[TRon]

I don't have a problem even if 90% of fans at the ground think Pards is a good manager, they are entitle to their opinion. I'm one of the 10% who thinks he's clueless. You can't win em all.

[Guest neesy111]

  On 11/12/2012 at 14:46, Decky said:

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What about the results from the Chronicle survey then, 5% wanted Pardew to go.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/dec2012/4/9/are-you-happy-with-alan-pardew-892025900.jpg

 

Nearly 20% are very happy?

 

Would like to see the margin of error on the poll?  Probably haven't even done one.

[Beren]

  On 11/12/2012 at 14:01, Inochi said:

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Sewpafan says relax.

 

Aye, good stuff.

 

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have posted that the mood between supporters they know personally is in stark contrast to this place, Twitter and others. If you know differently, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

I've not heard one person at the match, or in social interactions, say that they want Pardew out now.

 

What makes you think I was talking about you?

 

It's tosh. Plenty people on here go to games and are deeply upset with Pardew. Just because you haven't met any of them, it doesn't mean they don't exist or they're not "regular fans". You've just chosen to extrapolate a sweeping generalisation based on a very small sample (ie. your social circle) of the 50,000odd faithful. And I do think you've actively said that to denigrate the credibility of opposing viewpoints to yours rather than actually having a reasoned debate where you can scrutinise differences of opinion (funnily enough).

 

FWIW I don't want Pardew out now. I want him out after this tough run in December*

 

* - with the proviso we have someone lined up who is actually an upgrade, this time.

 

The fact you posted it after one of my posts? I don't know, guess it was a hunch.

 

I wasn't making a point about the validity of one set of opinions versus the other. Nor did I claim that there would be no dissenting voices amongst the matchday support. In fact, my original post was in response to TT insinuating that people's opinions would be swayed by an increase in negative media coverage, which is somewhat unrelated to your subsequent rant.

 

My point was that there's a vast difference in 'mood', at the minute, between those I see socially, crowds at home and away games and those online. I'm not the only to have mentioned this. In fact, as recently as last night, a couple of 'our own' posted about the positive support amongst the away crowd. I don't understand why this happens, and can only speculate that it's down to some not wanting to air their 'controversial' views in front of their family and peers. Preferring instead to do it from behind the social safety of a screen and keyboard.

 

Still, sewpafan, reasoned debate, etc. lololololol

 

That's quite the backpedal you have there.

 

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Nah, I don't think my family and friends are that swayed by the media. That's based off knowing them, and going to matches with them, for the last ~20 years. I just think there's a lot less knee-jerking going on amongst your 'regular' fans. The internet (Twitter, forums etc) gives people a platform to behave in this way and face little actual scrutiny.

 

Seems to be a rather unmistakable implication from this quote of one being better - which isn't quite congruous with the question of matchday mood (which, btw is at best only partially associated with the satisfaction of the match/club/management itself- and more with the day, friends, booze) you've now brought into the equation. Seems a sewpafan-based differentiation rather than a mood-one.

 

Anyway, under the revised edition of your stance you now either:

 

- think that one type of fan is more fickle than the other/susceptible to change based on media coverage? [which you now deny]

 

Or

 

- you think that your "regular" supporters are equally as fickle/unfickle, but suffer from en masse repression and social anxiety which prevents them from airing grievances specifically in relation to footballing matters - so they wait until they find the nearest keyboard before letting the world know how they really feel?

 

But we're all the same.

 

BUT happily and by complete coincidence, those who are displeased on the forum are more likely to be fickle, whereas those at matches who are also are optimistic about Pardew in the face of the oncoming media shitstorm against Pardew are not.

 

Ook.

 

You're less inclined to be a misery guts at the match because you're at the match, you usually have a few beers in you with the promise of more to follow, you're with friends and you want to sing a song...  The only reason you won't hear someone droning on about Pardew being an incompetent manager at a match is because they have the matchday experience to offset the inevitably dour performance, but media coverage on footballing matters will impact on them the same as any fan present or not.

[Beren]

  On 11/12/2012 at 14:46, Decky said:

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What about the results from the Chronicle survey then, 5% wanted Pardew to go.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/dec2012/4/9/are-you-happy-with-alan-pardew-892025900.jpg

 

Nearly 20% are very happy?

 

 

Alright, forget this equality of fan shit - I judge those 20% :lol:

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think either set of opinion is more valid either, but there's no doubt that this forum is much more negative than the outside world. It's understandable I suppose, you generally need quite strong feelings to bother posting about them on the internet.

[Beren]

  On 11/12/2012 at 15:02, Ian W said:

I don't think either set of opinion is more valid either, but there's no doubt that this forum is much more negative than the outside world. It's understandable I suppose, you generally need quite strong feelings to bother posting about them on the internet.

 

It may very well be, but I'm not so sure.

 

It's not like posters sign up when angry or elated post then disappear. Many posters stay for years going through the gamut of good, bad and the mediocre - so the views aren't necessarily polarised. Especially since many posters used to come here for articles or news, not just forum boards.

 

Edit: Having said that, I do remember the board slaughtering our team when we lost 6-2 at home to Man Utd. I think the main point of discontent was our central midfield (Jenas and Dyer, that day was it?) against Keane and Scholes :lol: I found that surreal.

[Skeletor]

  On 11/12/2012 at 13:41, Legacy said:

I think one of the most annoying things about us is the way we attack, every game we barely create anything unless it's a moment of brilliance from one of our better players yet constantly other teams (pretty much every team we play) carve us open and play dangerous balls into our box. We may survive this season under Pardew, but if we want to improve as a team we need a better manager (anyone who can get us playing decent football tbf).

 

This is my biggest annoyance. Every team in the league attacks better as a team than we do and yet we have some better players than a lot of these teams.

[JH]

  On 11/12/2012 at 15:27, Skeletor said:

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I think one of the most annoying things about us is the way we attack, every game we barely create anything unless it's a moment of brilliance from one of our better players yet constantly other teams (pretty much every team we play) carve us open and play dangerous balls into our box. We may survive this season under Pardew, but if we want to improve as a team we need a better manager (anyone who can get us playing decent football tbf).

 

This is my biggest annoyance. Every team in the league attacks better as a team than we do and yet we have some better players than a lot of these teams.

 

It always seems that we have to work our arses off just to create one chance, where it seems to flow so much more naturally for our opposition.

 

We've got no fluidity whatsoever in our play. It's so disjointed.

[Wullie]

I think it’s quite an interesting point about what the general public think and what the “internet” public think (although the distinction between the two is becoming less and less).

 

I don’t think it’s that different a distinction from any other form of entertainment in that there are some people who just enjoy something for what it is and others who enjoy studying it, discussing it, dissecting it and those types of people are more likely to feel more strongly, whatever their opinion may be, than the people in the first category. Newcastle fans vs Newcastle fanboys, if you like.

 

They are also coming from a more informed viewpoint though too, the same as anyone will who pays more attention than the average. Not only are they more likely to watch other football but they’re also the ones paying attention to quotes from the players, coaches, managers, the ones looking at post match statistics. It’s not right to say “the internet nerds want Pardew out, thank God for us norms” any more than it’s right to say “some idiot with a degree in film told me to watch Pan’s Labyrinth, what a geek, I’m off to see Transformers instead”

 

I’ve got a mate who’s a clever bloke with a season ticket but couldn’t tell you what team we put out last night, couldn’t tell you who Abeid is, or Campbell, or Good. There’s tons of blokes like that at the matches and even more women and kids, so to say they’re the ones whose opinion we should trust more is clearly a flawed point of view.

 

People seem to forget that plenty “internet types” backed Pardew and continue consistently to back Ashley – I know because I’ve spent so much time arguing against them. I think if a serious majority of the more informed people online are turning against the manager, the more passive minority won’t be far behind because in my experience, that’s always the way it goes. It was the same with Souness back in the mists of time and barring a Christmas miracle, Pardew won’t have much time left with the man in the street.

[Parky]

  On 11/12/2012 at 15:32, JH said:

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I think one of the most annoying things about us is the way we attack, every game we barely create anything unless it's a moment of brilliance from one of our better players yet constantly other teams (pretty much every team we play) carve us open and play dangerous balls into our box. We may survive this season under Pardew, but if we want to improve as a team we need a better manager (anyone who can get us playing decent football tbf).

 

This is my biggest annoyance. Every team in the league attacks better as a team than we do and yet we have some better players than a lot of these teams.

 

It always seems that we have to work our arses off just to create one chance, where it seems to flow so much more naturally for our opposition.

 

We've got no fluidity whatsoever in our play. It's so disjointed.

 

Very little link play. ie no real link forward. (No Michu or Dempsey or the like). Ball flying over the midfield etc...Berbatov did the job for them yesterday linking the def with the attack. The closest we have is Hatem but our

forwards just run like lemmings straight into the center of the box and are easily covered. Not a brain cell between em.

 

Hatem does his best but spends that much time defending he'll be our new left back soon.

[Kanj]

Excellent post Wullie