Mick Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Good post Dave. Let's not forget that aside from a few notable exceptions the football was the same last season. We will not progress under Pardew, not while he relies on keeping it tight and nicking it, because you'll always, always be undone by injuries, bad luck and more importantly the other f***ing team. At some point the manager needs to make the team into one that can be more than the sum of its parts, triumph over adversity etc etc. I could take that job, make all the players my mates and win games when the other team let us. Anyone could. People need to move on from expecting him to change, he is what he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a shit about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Some of us did, because we knew that if it didnt change, this was coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a shit about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Well of course I couldn't give a shit right now because the games I want us to win are in a cup and to stay up. I just mean that there's not a great deal of evidence that we're progressing on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a s*** about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Some of us did, because we knew that if it didnt change, this was coming. Aye i know, i just didn't think in my wildest nightmares it would be this bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a shit about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Well of course I couldn't give a shit right now because the games I want us to win are in a cup and to stay up. I just mean that there's not a great deal of evidence that we're progressing on the pitch. There's none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. He's Pulis in a suit, cuz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a s*** about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Some of us did, because we knew that if it didnt change, this was coming. This, really. Even look at what were probably our two best home performances of last season - Man Utd, Stoke. Two drastically different and ultimately unsustainable performances. Yes, you have to have a degree of tactical flexibility, but without anything that vaguely resembles a coherent footballing identity you will not have sustained success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. He's Pulis in a suit, cuz. It's actually an insult to Pulis or Fat Sam tbh. At least they buy the players that suit the formation and have a genuine gameplan with it. And don't try to butter the supporters up with lies about the style of play they're aiming for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The style of football has a big bearing on things, it would be far easier to sympathise with Pardew if he wasn't responsible for making your eyes bleed once or twice a week. This is the thing which annoys me more than anything else. The results have been as shit this season as they were good last season, but barring a number of excellent matches that you could count on one hand the actual performances have normally been very similar. That is, scrappy, often overly defensive football and regularly relying on individual brilliance. He's been here well over two years now and still there's little discernible pattern to our play, or idea of the direction we're going in. I know it's a cliché that we like to take the piss out of, but you look at Liverpool and you can already see what they're trying to do. Doesn't always work, but they stick with it. Pardew was fucked over in the summer but by the same token he's had largely the same squad since he came here and yet any style he's trying to implement isn't really emerging. Be nice to see something happen on this front next season. He talks the talk in this respect, but the fact we're yet to see the expansive football he's so insistent that he's working towards 2 and a bit years down the line indicates he's making excuses and it's a bit of a red herring. We're still at the point where he's crowing about getting his best 11 on the field, when the reality is that most managers in the league are never in this position but have to utilise their best available players and not let the squad fillers dictate their style of play too much. When he was implying that having 2 players out of 11 (Simpson and Williamson) who weren't very good footballers meant that he had no choice but to play this way then I knew he was getting a bit desperate and it was another excuse for the football we were playing. You mention Liverpool and it's a fair comparison, man-for-man we're not that far apart but the football we're playing is about 30 years behind. It will stand them in good stead, yet if you believe what Pardew's saying then we're going to have to start at square one on this mythical day when everyone's fit and on-form, as he's insisted on playing tedium-ball for much of his tenure, due to one excuse or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. He's Pulis in a suit, cuz. It's actually an insult to Pulis or Fat Sam tbh. At least they buy the players that suit the formation and have a genuine gameplan with it. And don't try to butter the supporters up with lies about the style of play they're aiming for. That's where the "charming" bit comes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. But at least fat Sam is unashamedly honest about his approach, he doesn't bullshit people into thinking his team plays decent stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's like having Fat Sam's nicer looking much more charming twin in charge, same percentage football ethos though. But at least fat Sam is unashamedly honest about his approach, he doesn't bullshit people into thinking his team plays decent stuff. My post above this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. That's one reason but also the horrendous injury problems we've had all season given the lack of investment made last summer in first team players and 3rdly finishing 5th last season and being manager of season which weren't fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. That's one reason but also the horrendous injury problems we've had all season given the lack of investment made last summer in first team players and 3rdly finishing 5th last season and being manager of season which weren't fluke. A few more... 1: Europe 2: Injuries 3: Youth players 4: Spies 5: Fans 6: Not running fast enough 7: Players heads turned 8: Agents 9: Lack of investment 10: Luck 11: Senegal 12: The Pitch 13: lack of Magic 14: Notting Hill Carnival Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Really looking forward to next season, anyway. It can't possibly be this bad. Well, unless we're not even in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 We're not 3 points away from relegation due to injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. That's one reason but also the horrendous injury problems we've had all season given the lack of investment made last summer in first team players and 3rdly finishing 5th last season and being manager of season which weren't fluke. A few more... 1: Europe 2: Injuries 3: Youth players 4: Spies 5: Fans 6: Not running fast enough 7: Players heads turned 8: Agents 9: Lack of investment 10: Luck 11: Senegal 12: The Pitch 13: lack of Magic 14: Notting Hill Carnival :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I couldn't care less about the style of play at the moment if i'm honest. I just want to see a team capable of winning away from home and quite frankly winning full stop, style of play is nice and all but some consistent positive results would be much nicer. I didn't give a shit about style of play last season because we were not losing nearly every bloody week. I want Pardew to improve the style of play as much as the next person but until i see a team capable of winning some games consistently its definitely at the back of my mind for now. Some of us did, because we knew that if it didnt change, this was coming. Exactly, if you go out to dominate the opposition with a fluent attacking gameplan then I'm convinced that it's more geared to long-term success than going out to fluke your way through games, taking advantage of a lucky bounce or flash of brilliance then defending it with your lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. That's one reason but also the horrendous injury problems we've had all season given the lack of investment made last summer in first team players and 3rdly finishing 5th last season and being manager of season which weren't fluke. How was last season not a fluke? Has he done it before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Really looking forward to next season, anyway. It can't possibly be this bad. Well, unless we're not even in the Premier League. It could conceivably be worse to be honest. The team won't play any better football, he'll run out of excuses and everyone will start to get restless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Really looking forward to next season, anyway. It can't possibly be this bad. Well, unless we're not even in the Premier League. It could conceivably be worse to be honest. The team won't play any better football, he'll run out of excuses and everyone will start to get restless. But at least change could be on the horizon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Notting Hill Carnival was a killer like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Notting Hill Carnival Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main line of argument for keeping Pardew has become 'sacking managers hasn't worked for us in the past'. When that's all you've got left you know you're talking about a manager who's just not doing his job well enough. That's one reason but also the horrendous injury problems we've had all season given the lack of investment made last summer in first team players and 3rdly finishing 5th last season and being manager of season which weren't fluke. Finishing 5th wasn't a fluke but he's clearly not going to have us anywhere near there again unless he changes his outlook. We were a bit of a surprise package and were incredibly difficult to beat until the wheels came off, then we bought him a shiny new striker who tore the league apart and pushed us back up the table. It was hardly a Pardew master-class past the first dozen games or so, after that he's shown to struggle massively in getting the team to adapt to new styles of play and his preferred cautious approach is now being ripped apart by the likes of Southampton and Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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