Alan Pardew

[Zero]

I feel pretty conflicted. Part of me likes him, appreciates his tenacity and the way he conducts himself and wants him to get another season - especially when considering a replacement would possibly/probably make things worse. A bigger part of me thinks he's just never going to be up to it tactically. He gets far too much criticism on here, mind, a lot of which is due to the nasty habit we have as NUFC supporters of overrating our players.

 

 

This is exactly what I thought, especially about the replacement part.  Look at the past managers we have hired under Ashley - I simply cant understand why people can be optimistic for that.  "Working under Ashely", "No say on transfer", "Balanced Budget" - Is that really that attractive? Or you've forgot what state we had been before relegation?

 

but then, anyway, just get rid, sack him now, at all cost. i am serious. I have fed up with all the arguments for and against Pardew and lets just move on, no matter who the new manager is. Just move on please.

[mrmojorisin75]

wow, just waded through 10 pages since i last looked at this thread

 

as regards the canning him in the summer (if we stay up) unfortunately i think he's done a very good job indeed of convincing everyone that this season is down to injuries and the europa league, and i think that includes ashley & dekka

 

even after january he'll be able to spin that he started to turn it around then started to lose players again, plus the europa league games, and results dipped accordingly

 

so i think we're stuck with him

[Interpolic]

That's too personal, IP.

 

What the fuck?

[Zero]

That's too personal, IP.

 

What the f***?

 

towards Madras i mean.

[Interpolic]

That's too personal, IP.

 

What the f***?

 

towards Madras i mean.

 

I'd gathered that, what are you on about?

 

I don't see how what I said is personal when he sees fit to go around the forum trashing people's opinions without even giving them a second thought.

 

I think he's a poor poster and I'm not surprised that he doesn't care, his one and only reason for being on here is to be contrary to make himself feel clever.

[merlin]

I'm new here, but isn't it traditional to wait untill we actually lose before before these arguments begin again?

We lost 2 days ago.

 

We lost 2 days ago against a very good side, away from home, largely due to individual errors, in the first leg of the QF of a major european competition, whilst creating some very good chances which we were unfortunate not to convert, without a number of important players. I don't see how it's relevant to the "this team should be challenging for 4th and it's all Pardew's fault we're not" argument.

 

So you think we should forget about all the other defeats we have had this season,,?

Remind me how many PL away games we have won..??

[merlin]

a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season.

And before anyone says anything here, a couple of years ago this was different as it appeared that we were an unattractive club who players didn't want to be 100 miles of with an owner who was unwilling invest/was just going to pocket the cash etc. That simply isn't the case at all now.

bit of a way to go before you can call us a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season with the sides all battling for it atm

Yeah, because they all have top managers.

Chelsea fans would disagree, but they have other advantages Chelsea can buy their way into the top 4, Arsenal are staying in on sheer inertia at this stage, Liverpools history and profile allows them to have an easier job of attracting better players like Suarez to the club who would never come here even if we were in the identical position to Liverpool when trying to sign him from Ajax. Arguably the ones who don't have a significant advantage over us are Everton who can barely be called in the cl race any year but could be said to be challenging for it and they stuck with Moyes even after a relegation battle after a good season and Spurs who have a similar enough methodology to us in how they work but are a few years further down the line.

A few years ago they were still challenging for the top 4, as they have been for donkeys because they've had good managers.

 

Moyes is a better manager than Pardew too, just because they stuck with him and it worked doesn't mean it's the same with every manager. It's the same with Fergie "What if Man U sacked him back in 93!" or whenever it was, well yeah, but what if they stuck with Alan Pardew in 93? 

 

Also, Moyes was a damn site younger than Pardew is now when Everton stuck with him...he also had very little to spend then and Kenwright admitted that - they knew he was decent because of his past record and they had no alternative.

Pardew has had the luxury of millions being spent on the side 3 months ago on order to help him keep us up...we are still threatened by relegation and if he has had injuries, some of this may be down to the players not being properly fit/trained.

[merlin]

I've been relatively supportive of Pardew this season, admittedly based on what we did last season. I have even been p*ssed off many times when seeing this thread shoot to the top of the board as soon as we concede a goal (let alone get beat) when the same didn't happen when we got a good win.

 

Mick (as much as I like you mick!) has driven me mad at times this season (and last at times) with his views, but he's been right all along.

 

For us to be in a relegation battle in April with the squad we have is absolutely indefensible. We cannot keep on basing arguments in support of Pardew on last season (i include myself in that btw). Southampton are a recent example of a team who have binned a manager (who did a superb job for them, far better than Pardew has for us) and replaced him and have improved. Their chairman simply felt they had outgrown Adkins, time will tell, but he seems to have made the correct decision so far (he made the right decision getting rid of our current manager too btw).

 

I feel the same has happened with us, we've got to replace him with someone who takes us to the next level. We are in a very fortunate position in that we have a very good squad of players (imo obviously), we are a back up striker and a winger/fit ben arfa away from having the strongest squad we've had in many years and we are deep in a relegation battle, how can this be ok? he simply has to go.

 

I'm at the point where I believe that it doesn't matter which team we are facing, if their manager has an ounce of tactical awareness Pardew is f***ed and we are beat.

 

We are an attractive proposition now for both players and a manager, far more attractive than when Pardew arrived, he deserves credit for this but that shouldn't mean he is bullet proof, he needs to be replaced, that's for certain. If he doesnt go, we'll face an exodus of our top players (undoing some superb work to get them in the first place) and will go backwards yet again.

 

Get rid.

 

 

 

A very good and sensible post - well done.

A pity others cannot take off the blinkers...

[Stu]

Surely it'll be more like...

 

Pardew: Here, good players, play shit - it's OK you won't be too blame, I'll shoulder that. Just remember to play as shit as possible, that's the key. Yohan, Yohan, be as invisible as possible like the last 2, fans love you so they won't care but don't forget to knack one of theres for no reason - you're probably tired and need a rest despite being injured loads already. Danny? Hoof it all the time, they fucking hate you anyway so you might as well take the piss out of the daft Geordie cunts. Davide, oh Davide my bella brusco, remember not too worry about your position, stand wherever when defending and try not too pay to much attention, you don't want to get brain strain. Etc, etc.

 

[Stu]

There's 2 things that prevent a side from challenging at the top of the table, the first is a lack of investment, the 2nd is a shit manager (comparatively).

 

Pretty sure we were all crying out at the lack of investment up until that week in January. 2-3mths isn't a long time

[Mr Logic]

There's 2 things that prevent a side from challenging at the top of the table, the first is a lack of investment, the 2nd is a shit manager (comparatively).

 

Pretty sure we were all crying out at the lack of investment up until that week in January. 2-3mths isn't a long time

 

We probably were but we were also hunting around for excuses as to why we were so shit.

 

With hindsight it appears not so much a lack of investment but rather a lack of any coherent gameplan.

 

That and a trepidation bordering on abject cowardice when venturing into our opponents half.

 

Seriously, I have just read the last 10 pages or so of this thread, and others have already said it, but the football is abysmal. Players get put under unnecessary pressure when others don't show for the ball, the lack of movement is criminal as it is a basic tenet of training; (or should be.) All too often it leads to forced backpasses to the keeper, and if that's Krul you might as well have kicked it to the opposition as Krul's just about to. Any attack has little chance of success as there are so few options and those available are often quite static (not Cisse). There are few runs, no-one is dragging defenders out of position. Cisse's movement is good but a pass rarely reaches him before he is offside. Never enough bodies up there.

 

Give Pardew the start of next season? Please don't.

[cp40]

I've been relatively supportive of Pardew this season, admittedly based on what we did last season. I have even been p*ssed off many times when seeing this thread shoot to the top of the board as soon as we concede a goal (let alone get beat) when the same didn't happen when we got a good win.

 

Mick (as much as I like you mick!) has driven me mad at times this season (and last at times) with his views, but he's been right all along.

 

For us to be in a relegation battle in April with the squad we have is absolutely indefensible. We cannot keep on basing arguments in support of Pardew on last season (i include myself in that btw). Southampton are a recent example of a team who have binned a manager (who did a superb job for them, far better than Pardew has for us) and replaced him and have improved. Their chairman simply felt they had outgrown Adkins, time will tell, but he seems to have made the correct decision so far (he made the right decision getting rid of our current manager too btw).

 

I feel the same has happened with us, we've got to replace him with someone who takes us to the next level. We are in a very fortunate position in that we have a very good squad of players (imo obviously), we are a back up striker and a winger/fit ben arfa away from having the strongest squad we've had in many years and we are deep in a relegation battle, how can this be ok? he simply has to go.

 

I'm at the point where I believe that it doesn't matter which team we are facing, if their manager has an ounce of tactical awareness Pardew is f***ed and we are beat.

 

We are an attractive proposition now for both players and a manager, far more attractive than when Pardew arrived, he deserves credit for this but that shouldn't mean he is bullet proof, he needs to be replaced, that's for certain. If he doesnt go, we'll face an exodus of our top players (undoing some superb work to get them in the first place) and will go backwards yet again.

 

Get rid.

 

 

 

 

Hadn't realised Southampton were in the champions league- I guess on this revelation sack sack sack.

 

 

 

 

[BONTEMPI]

You better win the next two matches you chump

[Guest neesy111]

I feel pretty conflicted. Part of me likes him, appreciates his tenacity and the way he conducts himself and wants him to get another season - especially when considering a replacement would possibly/probably make things worse. A bigger part of me thinks he's just never going to be up to it tactically. He gets far too much criticism on here, mind, a lot of which is due to the nasty habit we have as NUFC supporters of overrating our players.

 

 

Too many NUFC fans are overrating the team.  Just look at the lack of creativity and goal scorers in it ffs.

[cp40]

I feel pretty conflicted. Part of me likes him, appreciates his tenacity and the way he conducts himself and wants him to get another season - especially when considering a replacement would possibly/probably make things worse. A bigger part of me thinks he's just never going to be up to it tactically. He gets far too much criticism on here, mind, a lot of which is due to the nasty habit we have as NUFC supporters of overrating our players.

 

 

 

Agreed.

[Stu]

Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling

 

Dunno about transform like, they weren't in the bottom three when they binned Adkins and gave us a real footballing lesson in November (after which we should have made the big decision). They had the most ridiculous opening run of fixtures but since then they've been pretty consistently good.

 

Lovejoy

 

Completely agree, Southampton have played great stuff all season the key differences i have noticed are as follows.

 

1. Press much better as a team

 

2. More organised defensively

 

3. Don't choke away loads of chances every game

 

Seriously i have seen Southampton a lot this season and the amount of chances they were creating under Atkins and throwing away followed by stupid defending led to poor results by comparison.

 

Obviously results have improved but i don't believe performances have been totally transformed.

 

Have to disagree, the way they break NOW is scary. Teams s*** it when 5-6 shift up the park as soon as they get posession. Also today Lambert played like a Michu clone. Early signs are that Pochettino is pretty slick.

 

Believe me i know how good Pochettino is as a coach i saw him a lot at Espanyol, but i don't believe in the main he has changed massive amounts.

 

The high pressing being one of the few, as for Lambert he's played like that all season. ( i think there was a stat going around that only Suarez had created more chances for team mates)

 

I think there is more to come from Pochettino in regard to what he wants because as of right now i don't believe he has changed too much.

 

In between watching Ligue 1, La Liga and all of the other Premiership teams....when do you find time to watch and rewatch all of our games?

[Darth Crooks]

I feel pretty conflicted. Part of me likes him, appreciates his tenacity and the way he conducts himself and wants him to get another season - especially when considering a replacement would possibly/probably make things worse. A bigger part of me thinks he's just never going to be up to it tactically. He gets far too much criticism on here, mind, a lot of which is due to the nasty habit we have as NUFC supporters of overrating our players.

 

 

Too many NUFC fans are overrating the team.  Just look at the lack of creativity and goal scorers in it ffs.

 

I might agree if we're talking about pushing for 5th and being comfortably in the top ten each year but we're in a complete mire; largely down to the way we play, so that argument only travels so far imo. We're very fortunate that QPR are a team happy to self-destruct bankrupting themselves on mercenaries, Reading have sacked a manager too soon with a championship squad and that the Mackems have had a manager as dour as ours has been.

[Scoot]

NUFC wins 2011/12

 

Comfortable (dominant, didn't feel in a great deal of danger): Blackburn (h) 3-1; Stoke (a) 3-1; Man Utd (h) 3-0; WBA (h) 3-1; Liverpool (h) 2-0; Stoke (h) 3-0

 

Total: 6

 

 

 

We lost at home to West Brom 3-2 last season!

 

 

[Beren]

Reckon he means the away fixture with the HatemDembaDemba destruction.

[Beren]

I'd probably move the Man Utd home game down a category. We won by three goals, but they looked dangerous at times - and it was only when Jones scored an own goal at the end that I really relaxed. Not to say it wasn't a fantastic performance, it was (Ba's was the best in a black and white shirt I've seen in ages), but I'd move it down a category personally to the 'neither here nor there' on the comfort scale.

 

I'd also move Bolton up one 'comfort class'. Until HBA came on, we looked really short of cutting edge and penetration, but we were in cruise control. They were never going to hurt us. Bolton were absolute turd at that point though, I should add.

 

We were great in the West Brom away fixture, but we looked a bit shaky before our first goal in the opening 15-20. Still, would leave it where it is.

[Alberto2005]

West brom away was the most enjoyable game I watched last season, we looked absolute class.

[Ronaldo]

Hodgson got it so, so wrong in that game.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Can't remember if I've shared this before, but there's an interview (a little old now but I guess interesting in hindsight) with Alan Pardew in the LMA 'The Manager's magazine.

 

http://themanager-magazine.com/issue11/#/32/

 

[Robster]

Interpolic

[TheGuv]

Interpolic :thump:

 

I distinctly remember last season in the pub going through our results in the programme and complaining about how many points/wins we were dead fortunate to pick up.

 

This was when we were 4th/5th and everyone was licking AP's ring piece. Last season really was a huge fluke with some quite frankly unbelievable goals scored that had nothing to do with how we had set up to play.

 

This season is the same but without that luck.