Gallowgate Toon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 We're a top 7 team IMO but think we'll finish around 9th with the way things are going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Pardew said 'we've given everthing today' Full of shit, fuck off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He's just been given an 8 year contract. Why isn't there a philosophy being introduced and ingrained into our academy? If I was him and had just been given an EIGHT YEAR contract I would be intent on doing that. If he was any sort of a good manager he'd be demanding that our younger teams are taught to play the game the correct way and all our teams play a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 for example, following the first team set up. The only input I've heard that he's had is that the under 18's cant take short corners- it has to go into the box. The same with all of our free kicks too. That just sums him up. Totally agree. He has the time to really make a statement with the side. 'We are NUFC and we play football this way, using this system and we've got the players we need to do it'. Build a fucking dynasty, an image, a style...............don't just fire fight and worry about the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 We'll be lucky to finish in top 10 if performances continue as they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think the Wigan away game scared him off the 4-3-3 which is a shame. Need to give it another go. That's just an excuse, one game shouldn't tell him more than the other games which have been just as bad but more numerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. No, it's not. It's incredibly challenging to form passing triangles and subsequently keep the ball - something Pardew has spoken about extensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 "At home we want to get the fans in the stadium in a good place but we didn't start well," Pardew told Sky Sports. "And then we've conceded when we should have squeezed the pitch in that situation. Then we've got a battle on our hands. "West Ham with the way they play, it's very stop-start. There are a lot of set-plays going into your box and it's fragmented. "They had a little bit more power on the pitch. But we still created loads of chances. One looks close to being over the line. We needed a break but we didn't get that today. "We have had nine efforts on goal today and that's enough for two goals really but the shots were just lacking in quality and the final pass was lacking imagination. "We've given everything we can and we've come off losing today." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 after watching today's shower im convinced not single player in our special team can actually cross a ball. none of our players are capable producing a single quality ball in the final third whatsoever, its great we got some finishers in our strikers, but without quality balls to them. its almost pointless. the team could not string passes, under no pressure as well thats the most alarming thing. we seem to be a team that cannot play a passing game or a long ball game effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just out of curiosity what are people's "bare minimum" expectations this year? Would people accept a slump in the league position if it meant better football? I think I said top 8 and a decent run in the EL and anything less would be disappointing. Whilst things are poor tonight, I still think we'll achieve that. We won't get back into Europe though. I've expected us to finish about 10th all season due to the lack of investment and other clubs getting better in comparison to last year (Everton, Chelsea etc). I would absolutey accept a lower position in return for good football and us having a recognised system/style of play. At least that would be a basis from which to grow. Firefighting and worrying about how the opposition line up is not a positive basis upon which to develop long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. No, it's not. It's incredibly challenging to form passing triangles and subsequently keep the ball - something Pardew has spoken about extensively. Yeah, that's why you need movement. Wide men coming inside, Forwards dropping deep, Fullbacks overlapping. Midfielders pushing forward. It's not rocket science. Most of all you need a fucking plan, regardless of the formation you decide to go with. We've got no plan whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 "At home we want to get the fans in the stadium in a good place but we didn't start well," Pardew told Sky Sports. "And then we've conceded when we should have squeezed the pitch in that situation. Then we've got a battle on our hands. "West Ham with the way they play, it's very stop-start. There are a lot of set-plays going into your box and it's fragmented. "They had a little bit more power on the pitch. But we still created loads of chances. One looks close to being over the line. We needed a break but we didn't get that today. "We have had nine efforts on goal today and that's enough for two goals really but the shots were just lacking in quality and the final pass was lacking imagination. "We've given everything we can and we've come off losing today." fair play no excuses about suspentions, but still clueless Pardew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When it comes to the much trumpeted 433, whilst we got results with it, the only times we looked a good footballing side with was WBA away and Stoke home. Maybe the second half of the Liverpool game. Other matches like Swansea and Bolton during that run were fairly tepid performances with reliance on moments of magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 The gap between our forwards and the rest of the team when we break is embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just out of curiosity what are people's "bare minimum" expectations this year? Would people accept a slump in the league position if it meant better football? I think I said top 8 and a decent run in the EL and anything less would be disappointing. Whilst things are poor tonight, I still think we'll achieve that. We won't get back into Europe though. I think I had us down for 8th but I'd accept lower if it meant reaching the latter stages of the UEFA/FA Cup. We're going to end up paying for a summer of missed chances pretty predictably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When it comes to the much trumpeted 433, whilst we got results with it, the only times we looked a good footballing side with was WBA away and Stoke home. Maybe the second half of the Liverpool game. Other matches like Swansea and Bolton during that run were fairly tepid performances with reliance on moments of magic. look we tried 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever you want to call it, 4-4-2 we tried in abundance. We were shyt in all of them. its not about formations anymore its about the same players being in these formations and what they instructed to do/can't do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 And another thing that fucks me right off with him is his reluctance to try anything new- mainly because he doesn't have a fucking pair. When he does (finally) put something into action (i.e 4-3-3, or not playing Danny Simpson etc) and it isn't a raging success instantly he won't do it again. He seems to deem it ineffective and wont do it again. It's so, so frustrating and yet another sign of how out of his depth he is. At least with someone like Brendan Rodgers he's sticking to what he believes in, despite initial lack of success. But it's all good, apparently we want to control the midfield and play like Barcelona, whilst we've also been working really hard on set pieces and making sure the other team worries about us. But it just hasn't happened yet because the chances just didn't go in today even though the players tried really, really hard in kicking it as far as they could for 90 minutes........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20196343 BBC interview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When it comes to the much trumpeted 433, whilst we got results with it, the only times we looked a good footballing side with was WBA away and Stoke home. Maybe the second half of the Liverpool game. Other matches like Swansea and Bolton during that run were fairly tepid performances with reliance on moments of magic. look we tried 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever you want to call it, 4-4-2 we tried in abundance. We were shyt in all of them. its not about formations anymore its about the same players being in these formations and what they instructed to do/can't do. Yes I agree. People think 433 is the answer which I'm not sure; our issues go much deeper than formation. For me it's the team mentality which is "dont get beat" as opposed to "win the game!" that's off not the set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 - He persists with a flat, rigid 4-4-2 when we don't have the personnel for that formation. - We play better with the ball on the ground - so we constantly hoof it. - Ba and Cisse can't play in a forward two - so we constantly hoof it to them. - HBA, Ba and Cisse spent 80% of the game facing their own goalkeeper - Our set pieces are awful, and I'm not just saying that. The taker, the setup, the constantly knock to Williamson - it's all rubbish - We have two wingers and two fullbacks bombing down the wings, sending crosses in, only for them to go over the forward's head - again, that happened at least 6 times today. - He sends on Obertan because he has 'the pace', then the fucker doesn't even use it! - Constantly chopping and changing the side (albeit some through injury/suspension) but we shouldn't be make 9 changes between Thursday and Sunday. Overall, we haven't put in a convincing performance all season, our heads look down and it's up to him to start earning that eight year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When it comes to the much trumpeted 433, whilst we got results with it, the only times we looked a good footballing side with was WBA away and Stoke home. Maybe the second half of the Liverpool game. Other matches like Swansea and Bolton during that run were fairly tepid performances with reliance on moments of magic. look we tried 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever you want to call it, 4-4-2 we tried in abundance. We were shyt in all of them. its not about formations anymore its about the same players being in these formations and what they instructed to do/can't do. Yes I agree. People think 433 is the answer which I'm not sure; our issues go much deeper than formation. For me it's the team mentality which is "dont get beat" as opposed to "win the game!" that's off not the set up. I actually dont think he sets-up to not lose, i think we are just so poor going forward that it looks that way. Added to the fact we surrender possession so much it just looks so negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 said this before but there's only us & QPR who play a flat 4-4-2 in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. No, it's not. It's incredibly challenging to form passing triangles and subsequently keep the ball - something Pardew has spoken about extensively. Yeah, that's why you need movement. Wide men coming inside, Forwards dropping deep, Fullbacks overlapping. Midfielders pushing forward. It's not rocket science. Most of all you need a f***ing plan, regardless of the formation you decide to go with. We've got no plan whatsoever. Clearly what we're doing could be done much better, but 4-3-3 still remains the ideal solution. I'm not totally convinced Pardew is capable of what is required, TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 And the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. No, it's not. It's incredibly challenging to form passing triangles and subsequently keep the ball - something Pardew has spoken about extensively. Yeah, that's why you need movement. Wide men coming inside, Forwards dropping deep, Fullbacks overlapping. Midfielders pushing forward. It's not rocket science. Most of all you need a f***ing plan, regardless of the formation you decide to go with. We've got no plan whatsoever. Clearly what we're doing could be done much better, but 4-3-3 still remains the ideal solution. I'm not totally convinced Pardew is capable of what is required, TBH. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 'If we scored I think we would have won' - I fucking hate this line he peddles every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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