Skirge Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Fact is he has done a great job with very little financial backing, MA got lucky when he gave him the job that it worked out, he sacks him just imagine who we could end up with next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sacking Pardew would be a disaster. The players seem to like him and he can work with Ashley and Llambias - that doesn't go for many managers I'd imagine. He needs to sort himself out and get through this. Top half and a good EL run would be OK for me. We need to play a lot better to achieve that. Him not learning from his mistakes is his main fault in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sounding more like Glenn Roeder by the week. "I'm not going to complain about injuries BUT we've had a lot of injuries." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Fact is he has done a great job with very little financial backing, MA got lucky when he gave him the job that it worked out, he sacks him just imagine who we could end up with next. He was good last season, he's doing shit this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Balance is the key word here... Pardew needs to balance both defensive work and formation rigidity with movement and ball retention. If he is dedicating three quarters of training time to defending and stopping other teams then it is not rocket science to figure out why we cannot string more than three passes together and why we are so profligate in the opposition's half. He needs to find the combination of both pretty quickly or he will see fans opinion swinging against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastles-alan-pardew-says-the-europa-1448672 Mission Impossible: Europa is harder to win than Champions League claims Pardew 21 Nov 2012 22:29 The Newcastle manager says the event's format asks too much of clubs who don't have squads as big as those in UEFA's senior competition Final countdown: Pardew's men could play SEVENTEEN Europa League games this season Ian Horrocks Alan Pardew has claimed the Europa League is tougher to win than its big brother the Champions League - and called for UEFA's second-tier competition to be changed to a straight knockout format. Newcastle manager Pardew will have guided his squad through a gruelling 17 Europa games if they lift the trophy in Amsterdam in May, amid fears the demands will hamper their Premier League challenge. Pardew has revealed that the statistics gathered on his players’ performances show they dip slightly when playing on a Sunday following a European game on a Thursday night - something he has urged his stars to address this week. Newcastle face Portuguese visitors Maritimo on Thursday, looking for a win that will seal qualification to the last 32 - two-legged knockout ties that will also feature the third-placed teams from the Champions League groups. Three points against Maritimo would mean a dead-rubber final group game against Bordeaux next month - and the chance to focus totally on Premier League form, which is currently poor. How the group stands P W D L GF GA Pts Newcastle 4 2 2 0 6 2 8 Bordeaux 4 2 1 1 6 4 7 Bruges 4 1 1 2 4 7 4 Maritimo 4 0 2 2 1 4 2 Following home defeats to West Ham and Swansea, Newcastle have trips to Southampton on Sunday and Stoke next Wednesday night to negotiate. Pardew said: “I think it is harder for us. I genuinely do. "The four Champions League teams have the finance to attack that with two squads really, whereas we are attacking a competition which has a heavier schedule, a more difficult night in Thursday night and a much reduced squad, so it is much more difficult for us. “Of course we want to be in Europe. But you want to be in a competition which gives you some sort of fighting chance in your own league and this (format) is very difficult for Premier League teams. "And we all kind of know that, as Premier League managers. It is whispered about all the time, 'Blimey. It is going to be tough for you next year' - that is all I heard during the summer and it has been. “Should it be knockout all the way? Yes, probably. “I do think that in the Premier League we play a heavier schedule than most European leagues and I do think, for Premier League teams, it is really difficult in this competition. "And that is probably why we have not been that successful in it, to some degree. "I do feel that perhaps it needs to be looked at a little bit. Whether Spanish clubs or German clubs have the same opinion, I am not sure. “You only have to look at the other two [Premier League] clubs in the competition (Spurs and Liverpool). We’re all having very similar seasons at the moment, and they are stronger clubs than us financially. "It just goes to show that it does make a big impact on your Premier League situation.” Magpies midfielder Yohan Cabaye will have groin surgery on Friday and hopes to be back in action for the Christmas schedule. Although Pardew is having to juggle his limited resources, Fabricio Coloccini and Papiss Cisse are likely to play against Maritimo on a night when there will be an emphasis on getting the job done. Pardew has admitted qualifying for Europe next year could soon be out of Newcastle's reach. He added: “You want to back it up with another. And that is something we are in danger of not being able to do if we not not actually win the competition. That is the pressure it puts on you. “Sunday (against Southampton) is a very important game for us, but so is Thursday. "When you look at our stats, how we perform from Thursday to Sunday, it is just slightly down and that can be enough at this level. “I obviously want to win Thursday and I want to win again on Sunday. And I have got to come up with some sort of magical plan which makes me do that. "But we have got enough quality in the squad to carry the two games and I hope we can.” Defender Steven Taylor was bullish about United’s attack on the competition, saying: “We will take our frustration out on them. "Hopefully, we will score goals and gain some confidence. I believe we can do that. "We are waiting for that game where two or three goals will come. We are itching to get going.” Probable team Krul, Simpson, Coloccini, Taylor, Santon, Sammy Ameobi, Bigirimana, Anita, Ferguson, Shola Ameobi, Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Team vs Brugge: Krul; Tavernier, Colo, Williamson, Anita; Bigi, Marveaux, Tiote, Obertan, Sameobi; Shola. Team vs West Ham: Krul; Simpson, Williamson, S Taylor, Santon; Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Gutierrez ©, Ferguson; Cisse, Ba Only two players played the full ninety minutes of both games and we were playing at home so no travelling. Saylor played forty two minutes vs Brugge, Cabaye played eighteen minutes. It just doesn't wash for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I would have thought the biggest problem was not having enough time to get on the training ground and the manager work with the squad. Not so much the actual players being tired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 He doesn't complain about it though. He's full of s***, how can he complain that we are suffering because he is having to field two teams a week then complain that other teams have or use more players? Also, how is playing Maritimo at home then Southampton away any harder than playing Real Madrid at home and then Chelsea away like Man City are doing? Chelsea has played 21 competitive games so far this season if you include the charity shield, we've played 19, he should get somebody to read his script before he puts it into the public domain. He's feeling the pressure and he's using any excuse he can think of to deflect any blame for results away from him, some will fall for it. Might be worth comparing the relative strengths of our squad with Chelsea and Man City? Chelsea's bench against WBA included Ivanovic, Cole, Ramires, Mata, Oscar and Marin. Man City had Zabaleta, Lescott, Kolarov, Sinclair, Garcia and Dzeko. Bit of a difference, given that we had such footballing luminaries as Tavernier, Abeid and Amalfitano on our bench against Swansea. God knows who else didn't even make the squad for Chelsea and Man City in those matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We don't prepare the way we should in any case. Hopefully we recognize we're the far superior team, and get some goals and confidence. Might be a good alternative to defensive training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We don't prepare the way we should in any case. Hopefully we recognize we're the far superior team, and get some goals and confidence. Might be a good alternative to defensive training. No doubt you are right, but I suspect Pardew saw what was achieved with the same methods last year and, up till now, had no reason to fix what wasn't broken. I do agree though that Pardew should have been looking to evolve our style and his methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We don't prepare the way we should in any case. Hopefully we recognize we're the far superior team, and get some goals and confidence. Might be a good alternative to defensive training. Exactly, it training was geared towards playing our game instead of how to stop whatever opposition we have then it wouldn't be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 My brother is a Wham fan and he says Pardew was harshly treated and didn't deserve the sack. And the football wasn't long ball at all. Fwiw. Always rated Michael but never saw what Ridgely contributed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We don't prepare the way we should in any case. Hopefully we recognize we're the far superior team, and get some goals and confidence. Might be a good alternative to defensive training. Exactly, it training was geared towards playing our game instead of how to stop whatever opposition we have then it wouldn't be a problem. Even if that's true, the lack of time between games is obviously going to make it much worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe. It's fine when you're confident and doing well I guess, the problem is when things are going against you there's not time to step back and work on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive. Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot. Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive. Spot on. I said this early on in the season. I was hoping our Europa tactics were a sign of things to come. Never materialised though. I know we're playing inferior opposition and the style is different. But fuck me, it's a worry when most of our better football is coming from so called fringe players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe. So what? The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe. So what? The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now. Maybe Pardew should learn something about what we did then. Which was to play the basically his strongest team and formation in Europe and the League. Has football really changed so much? Imo it hasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive. Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot. Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly? We should be expected to cope or there was zero point in qualifying for Europe imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian. Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches. Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe. So what? The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now. Maybe Pardew should learn something about what we did then. Which was to play the basically his strongest team and formation in Europe and the League. Has football really changed so much? Imo it hasn't. I agree with you on that TBH, I would just put my strongest team out in every game and replace individual players when I had to. But since every single manager in the world doesn't do this, I might be forced to admit that they know more than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive. Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot. Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly? It is fair but I think Wullie is alluding that if we played a consistent style across both competitions then it would be less effected as the players coming in/out would still know their role in the team. Worry about our game not that of the other team (unless you're playing a top draw team - which is rare). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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