Alan Pardew

[oldtype]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

[buzza]

Why is it?

If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part.

It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts!

[themanupstairs]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

 

No doubt about that. But I can't believe that a squad of players at our level can't readjust to fit Cisse back in his preferred position where he is most effective to score goals and win the match for the team! Bloody hell it's not rocket science!

[Guest icemanblue]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

[Guest neesy111]

The next 3 league games are the most crucial during his time here, if we are in the relegation places after them 3 then his position will probably be untenable.

[SiLvOR]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

 

Have you played? You can tell me to read all the books you like, pouring too much thought into other teams and their tactics and worrying about what they are going to do is not a good thing imo.

 

Don't get me wrong, preparation is key. Vital in fact, but it has to be preparation to play to YOUR strengths. This is what I mean, it's a simple game it really is, don't spend days worrying about opposition.

 

[SiLvOR]

Why is it?

If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part.

It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts!

 

Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though.

As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex.

[Guest neesy111]

Why is it?

If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part.

It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts!

 

Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though.

As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex.

 

That's my issue here.  He needs to decide a formation and stick with it and actually look to put other teams under pressure.

[Dave]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

[Mistle17]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

 

Have you played? You can tell me to read all the books you like, pouring too much thought into other teams and their tactics and worrying about what they are going to do is not a good thing imo.

 

Don't get me wrong, preparation is key. Vital in fact, but it has to be preparation to play to YOUR strengths. This is what I mean, it's a simple game it really is, don't spend days worrying about opposition.

 

 

I agree. I think you've got to know the opposition, know how to exploit them and how to stifle them but do it in a positive, constructive manner which focuses on your own teams strengths.

[GuyP]

Why is it?

If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part.

It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts!

 

Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though.

As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex.

 

sorry to use another picture but;

 

http://u.goal.com/242800/242895hp2.jpg

 

Even at the most basic level, you have to start preparing your defence to face threats of opposition players, or, "fuck it, high line against one of the quickest players in the division"? I don't even rate Walcott but its suicidal inviting him to play on the shoulder...

 

This is the most basic example i could use, or for more in depth look at how Inter beat Barca on the way to champions league. They were fairly attacking on the way, but when they needed to, they were staunch against Barca and played in a  manner that they probably wouldnt have done against any other team.

[Guest icemanblue]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

[oldtype]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

 

Have you played? You can tell me to read all the books you like, pouring too much thought into other teams and their tactics and worrying about what they are going to do is not a good thing imo.

 

Don't get me wrong, preparation is key. Vital in fact, but it has to be preparation to play to YOUR strengths. This is what I mean, it's a simple game it really is, don't spend days worrying about opposition.

 

 

I agree. I think you've got to know the opposition, know how to exploit them and how to stifle them but do it in a positive, constructive manner which focuses on your own teams strengths.

 

You've got to do both really, play to your strengths and stifle the opposition. You're teams "strengths" also don't exist in isolation, you need to analyze how they interact with the opposition's qualities so you can leverage them for maximum effect.

 

Either way, in no way, shape, or form is top level football a "simple" game. That's honestly just something fans make up to slag off managers and players.

[Dave]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

 

Yeah there would certainly be a lot of that. I've never lost sight of the fact the summer was a fucking disgrace, even though I think Pardew should be doing a hell of a lot better. The message it sent out was arguably even more damaging than the physical deficiencies.

[Guest icemanblue]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

 

Yeah there would certainly be a lot of that. I've never lost sight of the fact the summer was a fucking disgrace, even though I think Pardew should be doing a hell of a lot better. The message it sent out was arguably even more damaging than the physical deficiencies.

 

A lot of people have.

 

I'm not going to try to claim that Pardew's doing even remotely well. However, my stance hasn't changed since before these three less than winnable fixtures. The season is a write off, but I don't believe the majority of the blame lies at Pardew's feet. We will be fine, though.

[Ketsbaia]

What frustrates me is that his actions are so ridiculous but he'll sprinkle in quotes that show he sees what we see - the subtle jabs at Simpson, intending to play Cisse through the middle, finally changing to 4-3-3 etc.

 

Then he'll start Shola upfront with Cisse on the wing, sub off our attacking threats and tell us to be grateful for his puppet master Ashley. The man is full of contradictions. He's somehow dragged this team into a relegation battle!

[dilligaf]

Why is it?

 

There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something.

 

Have you played? You can tell me to read all the books you like, pouring too much thought into other teams and their tactics and worrying about what they are going to do is not a good thing imo.

 

Don't get me wrong, preparation is key. Vital in fact, but it has to be preparation to play to YOUR strengths. This is what I mean, it's a simple game it really is, don't spend days worrying about opposition.

 

 

I agree. I think you've got to know the opposition, know how to exploit them and how to stifle them but do it in a positive, constructive manner which focuses on your own teams strengths.

 

You've got to do both really, play to your strengths and stifle the opposition. You're teams "strengths" also don't exist in isolation, you need to analyze how they interact with the opposition's qualities so you can leverage them for maximum effect.

 

Either way, in no way, shape, or form is top level football a "simple" game. That's honestly just something fans make up to slag off managers and players.

Of course its simple, play players out of position, hoof, hope for individual bit of brilliance, hoof, panic, make unfathomable subs, hoof,  have prepared excuses ready,  and repeat

[Guest neesy111]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

 

Yeah there would certainly be a lot of that. I've never lost sight of the fact the summer was a fucking disgrace, even though I think Pardew should be doing a hell of a lot better. The message it sent out was arguably even more damaging than the physical deficiencies.

 

A lot of people have.

 

I'm not going to try to claim that Pardew's doing even remotely well. However, my stance hasn't changed since before these three less than winnable fixtures. The season is a write off, but I don't believe the majority of the blame lies at Pardew's feet. We will be fine, though.

 

I hope you're right but you've kept saying this for 2 months and we've slid ever closer to the drop zone and no team is ever too good to go down.

[SiLvOR]

Why is it?

If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part.

It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts!

 

Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though.

As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex.

 

sorry to use another picture but;

 

http://u.goal.com/242800/242895hp2.jpg

 

Even at the most basic level, you have to start preparing your defence to face threats of opposition players, or, "fuck it, high line against one of the quickest players in the division"? I don't even rate Walcott but its suicidal inviting him to play on the shoulder...

 

This is the most basic example i could use, or for more in depth look at how Inter beat Barca on the way to champions league. They were fairly attacking on the way, but when they needed to, they were staunch against Barca and played in a  manner that they probably wouldnt have done against any other team.

 

There are exceptions when you must realise what other players can do to you, but I would have thought it would be painfully obvious to a top flight manager to not play a high line against a speed merchant. Again, it's not complicated, you still play to your own strengths and let the other team worry about you, just be aware of what certain players can do.

[toon25]

What frustrates me is that his actions are so ridiculous but he'll sprinkle in quotes that show he sees what we see - the subtle jabs at Simpson, intending to play Cisse through the middle, finally changing to 4-3-3 etc.

 

Then he'll start Shola upfront with Cisse on the wing, sub off our attacking threats and tell us to be grateful for his puppet master Ashley. The man is full of contradictions. He's somehow dragged this team into a relegation battle!

 

Yep. It won't help our cause that the upcoming fixtures really are 'must win' games - on the showing last night it certainly didn't look as though the team could handle such pressure. I just don't think we've got a squad that could handle a relegation battle. Where we differ from the likes of Southampton and Reading, et al, is that from the outset their players knew it would be a tough ask to stay in the league. They've been preparing mentally for this since August. We, on other hand, were never expected to be in this position. I hope I'm proved wrong, like, but I'm very worried about how our lot are going to handle the situation.

[Guest icemanblue]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

 

Yeah there would certainly be a lot of that. I've never lost sight of the fact the summer was a fucking disgrace, even though I think Pardew should be doing a hell of a lot better. The message it sent out was arguably even more damaging than the physical deficiencies.

 

A lot of people have.

 

I'm not going to try to claim that Pardew's doing even remotely well. However, my stance hasn't changed since before these three less than winnable fixtures. The season is a write off, but I don't believe the majority of the blame lies at Pardew's feet. We will be fine, though.

 

I hope you're right but you've kept saying this for 2 months and we've slid ever closer to the drop zone and no team is ever too good to go down.

 

It's not up to me, like.

 

I've been saying it for two months, with confidence, because that's what I believe. That confidence comes from what I've seen on the pitch, and the players we have to come back.

[SiLvOR]

I couldn't bring myself to write anything last night but read others posts with interest.

 

For me, if this squad of players ends op getting relegated its one of the single greatest managerial failures I've seen. We can all agree Ashley should have backed us more significantly in the summer, but the fact is that squad should be nowhere near a relegation battle, and that lies at the door of the manager. From baffling substitutions, and archaic gameplans he's well and truly put us in the shit this season. Our season wont hinge on games like last night, but it hinges on losing to Swansea and West Ham at home.

 

The worst part of it is now, even if we finish midtable I'd expect an exodus of our "purple" players. It's thoroughly depressing, but those are the facts. The worst part of all is even if we were to sack him, there isn't many viable options. I personally think Blanc would get a lot out of this squad, its most french speaking, but aside from that I don't know.

 

My biggest fear as well is that players will want to leave.

 

I've actually lost all confidence in Pardew now, the only reason I want him to stay is because I don't think we would find an appropriate replacement. Grim.

[Guest neesy111]

Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away.

 

I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway.

 

It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes.

 

I think that would change fairly sharpish if we slipped into the relegation zone mind. At this point it would be hugely symbolic.

 

I disagree. I think most of the anger would be directed towards Mr Ashley.

 

Yeah there would certainly be a lot of that. I've never lost sight of the fact the summer was a fucking disgrace, even though I think Pardew should be doing a hell of a lot better. The message it sent out was arguably even more damaging than the physical deficiencies.

 

A lot of people have.

 

I'm not going to try to claim that Pardew's doing even remotely well. However, my stance hasn't changed since before these three less than winnable fixtures. The season is a write off, but I don't believe the majority of the blame lies at Pardew's feet. We will be fine, though.

 

I hope you're right but you've kept saying this for 2 months and we've slid ever closer to the drop zone and no team is ever too good to go down.

 

It's not up to me, like.

 

I've been saying it for two months, with confidence, because that's what I believe. That confidence comes from what I've seen on the pitch, and the players we have to come back.

 

I've got to admire your optimism.  Players coming back should be the difference though I agree.

[SMTW]

Too much is being made of "players coming back..." The way our luck has panned out this season it seems like we're always going to have at least a few players waiting to "come back..." We should have dealt with these injuries a lot better than we have.

[ExiledGeordie]

 

I think the next 3 league games will tell us a lot about what the near future holds. Injured players are returning, we should have atleast one signing playing and maybe more. If we're still pissing about and in a rut after those games then we really are completely screwed and Pardew will have nowhere else to look but in the mirror to find answers.