mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Come on then, which system is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Who really cares whether some fans would bin him though? The bloke that decides isnt going to do it so he will be manager regardless of this forums opinion, the fans dont have any say in the matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Come on then, which system is that? good question, i have no idea how to describe it it's such a fucking joke...but it's characterised by: keeping the players in a rigid shape to protect us from the other team at all costs getting the ball forward to the strikers at the earliest opportunity*, changing the phase of play or whatever bollocks he calls it *but don't over-commit when the ball goes forward, 2 or 3 players should be able to do the business on their own, the rest have to stay in shape to protect us from the counter there's nothing else to it is there? fwiw i think this is part of his problem because we don't even do these things well anymore...he probably knows the players we have aren't suited to it but doesn't have the ability to change it into anything else hence it's just such a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Come on then, which system is that? Long balls, aimless crosses , a preference for 4-4-2 and probably prefer to buy big hard english man....(no pun) Defense first football etc.. what other systems have you seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season I'm 90% sure this is what we'll get next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Depends on your definition of a wasted season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 tell you what like, to the average mag on a horse that 5th place last year has bought pardiola a massive amount of leeway i reckon, mate got back to work yesterday and we started talking...he was incredulous when i said i'd bin him in the summer like Yeah, that's the case with everyone I speak to as well, outside of Newcastle. My faith in him is a lot less than it was, but I'm just willing to give him next season assuming we stay up. Both because of last season and for stability reasons. Fucking sympathising scum. (I would too) Only if he agrees to stop telling our best players to play shit though. The three amigos of sanity. The average mag on a horse doesn't spend his weekdays analysing performances in minute detail, therefore allows themselves to view the bigger picture. If forums such as this represented truly an average fans' view, supporting newcastle would be an even more depressing existence than it unfortunately is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Who really cares whether some fans would bin him though? The bloke that decides isnt going to do it so he will be manager regardless of this forums opinion, the fans dont have any say in the matter Do you have a hot line to Ashley by any chance...? I would have thought that the LAST thing anyone would do is try to predict what Ashley will do about anything..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season I'm 90% sure this is what we'll get next season. Think base on the performances and the plot of better performances...i think is closer to 100% we will have a wasted season where the players under perform and a ton of excuses made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Depends on your definition of a wasted season. watching a group of talented international class players (the best we've had for many, many years) huff and puff their way around the park, unable to string passes together and trying to avoid defeat in every match they play over the entire season that'd be my definition, as it stands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Come on then, which system is that? good question, i have no idea how to describe it it's such a fucking joke...but it's characterised by: keeping the players in a rigid shape to protect us from the other team at all costs getting the ball forward to the strikers at the earliest opportunity*, changing the phase of play or whatever bollocks he calls it *but don't over-commit when the ball goes forward, 2 or 3 players should be able to do the business on their own, the rest have to stay in shape to protect us from the counter there's nothing else to it is there? fwiw i think this is part of his problem because we don't even do these things well anymore...he probably knows the players we have aren't suited to it but doesn't have the ability to change it into anything else hence it's just such a mess Right. This 'system' was all that we played last season, whilst employing several different formations? Was it that same system which produced the football played during our winning streak, which helped cement our position? What I'm getting at, is that there seems to be a fair whack of revisionist history about at the minute. People don't like him, have no faith in him, whatever. He's had a shiter this season, no doubt, but there were very, very few making legitimate complaints throughout the entire season. Our current malaise, shouldn't cloud what was, for me anyway, a fantastic season overall. One of the most enjoyable of my time supporting the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Who really cares whether some fans would bin him though? The bloke that decides isnt going to do it so he will be manager regardless of this forums opinion, the fans dont have any say in the matter Do you have a hot line to Ashley by any chance...? I would have thought that the LAST thing anyone would do is try to predict what Ashley will do about anything..... He gave him an 8 year contract for fucks sake its hardly a great leap to say he wont sack Pardew if we stay up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 The most logical step this summer would be to make an upgrade to our coaching staff, whether it is Pardew himself or his coaching team that lacks that bit extra we will never know. Our squad has improved greatly this year, we add three poiples and that only leaves one glaringly obvious upgrade to be made. I am assuming Mike Ashley will be aware of this, he's been here a few years and has got a grip on it now... Come on fatboy!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Depends on your definition of a wasted season. watching a group of talented international class players (the best we've had for many, many years) huff and puff their way around the park, unable to string passes together and trying to avoid defeat in every match they play over the entire season that'd be my definition, as it stands Even if we came 5th again? Don't all teams try to avoid defeat when playing? Isn't that a fundamental of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What I'm getting at, is that there seems to be a fair whack of revisionist history about at the minute. People don't like him, have no faith in him, whatever. He's had a shiter this season, no doubt, but there were very, very few making legitimate complaints throughout the entire season. Our current malaise, shouldn't cloud what was, for me anyway, a fantastic season overall. One of the most enjoyable of my time supporting the club. no you're right, last year it worked...he had it nailed and he got lucky with injuries...it was good when it worked but it was awful when it didn't myself and a few others very clearly pointed out how shite it was more than once last season and stated that the tactic of trying to win every game 1-0 could never last...he made it a full season, more than most, so credit to him for that this year it's been a shambolic mess and he's had no answers, none man, so plenty in the negative column for him there as for the not liking him chelp i've never brought his personality or anything else into it, he was growing on me last season when it looked like he was developing the playing side of things...unfortunately it didn't last, like the results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Who's our attacking coach? Please don't say Steve Stone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 tell you what like, to the average mag on a horse that 5th place last year has bought pardiola a massive amount of leeway i reckon, mate got back to work yesterday and we started talking...he was incredulous when i said i'd bin him in the summer like Yeah, that's the case with everyone I speak to as well, outside of Newcastle. My faith in him is a lot less than it was, but I'm just willing to give him next season assuming we stay up. Both because of last season and for stability reasons. Fucking sympathising scum. (I would too) Only if he agrees to stop telling our best players to play shit though. The three amigos of sanity. The average mag on a horse doesn't spend his weekdays analysing performances in minute detail, therefore allows themselves to view the bigger picture. If forums such as this represented truly an average fans' view, supporting newcastle would be an even more depressing existence than it unfortunately is. As if minute detail is necessary to see that we're shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I must admit, in the last 12 months I have become more and more convinced Pardew isn't good enough. Don't you mean 'in the last 6 months'? I'm sure no-one was thinking "oh, Alan, you're clearly not good enough for the job" while we were playing Liverpool off the park and beating Chelsea at Stamford Bridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 into his 3rd full year and the quality of the playing squad has improved massively since he arrived, he still can't get them to perform as a cohesive football unit so in my opinion the likelihood he's going to produce another 5th place is very slim especially considering we keep signing players who don't fit the system that he played (seemingly the only one he knows) to get us 5th by all means let's give him another year if we stay up but i'll make a bet right now it'll just lead to another wasted season Come on then, which system is that? good question, i have no idea how to describe it it's such a f***ing joke...but it's characterised by: keeping the players in a rigid shape to protect us from the other team at all costs getting the ball forward to the strikers at the earliest opportunity*, changing the phase of play or whatever bollocks he calls it *but don't over-commit when the ball goes forward, 2 or 3 players should be able to do the business on their own, the rest have to stay in shape to protect us from the counter there's nothing else to it is there? fwiw i think this is part of his problem because we don't even do these things well anymore...he probably knows the players we have aren't suited to it but doesn't have the ability to change it into anything else hence it's just such a mess Right. This 'system' was all that we played last season, whilst employing several different formations? Was it that same system which produced the football played during our winning streak, which helped cement our position? What I'm getting at, is that there seems to be a fair whack of revisionist history about at the minute. People don't like him, have no faith in him, whatever. He's had a shiter this season, no doubt, but there were very, very few making legitimate complaints throughout the entire season. Our current malaise, shouldn't cloud what was, for me anyway, a fantastic season overall. One of the most enjoyable of my time supporting the club. He has a rubbish system that is over reliant on his purple players, he has no real formations that has an identity except for his 4-4-2 which i do see some patterns of play. It was bloody obvious it would not last, being 10 years in a marriage doesnt mean it cannot sour into a divorce. Things change deal with it. You can still be happy and be glee with the fond memories of Pardew even if he stayed for another 7 seasons or if he leaves after this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Even if we came 5th again? Don't all teams try to avoid defeat when playing? Isn't that a fundamental of the game? When we have failed to keep out the opposition in most games and he's stood clueless on the sidelines surely suggests plan A is not working and that he should be trying to change the approach to a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 The definition of a poor football manager Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Even if we came 5th again? Don't all teams try to avoid defeat when playing? Isn't that a fundamental of the game? When we have failed to keep out the opposition in most games and he's stood clueless on the sidelines surely suggests plan A is not working and that he should be trying to change the approach to a match. Odd, given that I often see him talking/shouting to players during the games I attend. I'm must admit I am not privvy to what he is saying though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 All I ever really hear is "'ATEM! 'ATEM! 'ATEM!" I mean come on, he's not even been playing the last few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Even if we came 5th again? Don't all teams try to avoid defeat when playing? Isn't that a fundamental of the game? When we have failed to keep out the opposition in most games and he's stood clueless on the sidelines surely suggests plan A is not working and that he should be trying to change the approach to a match. Odd, given that I often see him talking/shouting to players during the games I attend. I'm must admit I am not privvy to what he is saying though. probably telling the to get back in their foxholes, don't wander from the trenches!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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