Thoughts on this summer's transfer window

[Disco]

If things stayed as is would the club be looking at making a healthy profit overall this financial year or would we still just be close to breaking even? Genuine question.

 

Depends on lots of variables but for a basic idea, on the last set of accounts we lost £4.1m excluding player sales. Our improved league finish brought in an increase of £7m in prize money alone.

 

(new sponsorship deal too will have helped the coffers too)

[loki679]

This transfer policy only works if you actually sign players.  It was great last summer because we got a lot of our targets 'over the line'.  When it means we sign only one player who could maybe be considered a first team regular then it's failed and we've gone backwards relative to the teams around us who have strengthened.

[AlanSkÃrare]

No steps forward. No excitement.

[NG32]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

[worthy]

Unless something magical happens and we sign three players in a trot before the window closes, it has been rather poor. Yes we have signed prospects, but the lack of first teamers really scare me. When STaylor gets hit by his usual injury and same goes for Shola we are in trouble.

[gbandit]

Pardew's quotes don't sound great but then his quotes are mostly meaningless. You make a good point Loki, that is a pretty key difference but I really don't think the squad is in dire straits (even regarding the extra games we'll have to play.) We need a RB, no question but it may still happen

[Guest Eric]

I personally think the squad is stronger than last year but the problem is we have to play more games. I'm expecting our squad players to come through more in those. I do want an RB like you Eric and everyone else on here but I'm sure Pardew/Carr and everyone at the club is trying to get one in, nothing wrong with brinkmanship

 

Nothing wrong with brinkmanship? What happens if we end up with only Anita because of brinkmanship? Is it still fine then?

I think Anita looks excellent and perfectly suited to the PL, great piece of business. If we don't end up with Debuchy/other RB then I'll be really disappointed. The point I'm making is, we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

 

Your points about Tottenham are all good, they're incredibly well run but then I think they're run better than pretty much the whole league so it's tough competition. Levy is a brilliant businessman who is constantly looking at loads of different ideas on how to bring in money/ensure they get the best deals. Look at that last season though, Defoe and Adebayor (on one of the last days of the window? Last in fact?). Not exactly an amazing strikeforce was it, certainly not until the last day. They do similar things to us, we're just not as sensitive to it as we don't give a s*** about them

I personally think the squad is stronger than last year but the problem is we have to play more games. I'm expecting our squad players to come through more in those. I do want an RB like you Eric and everyone else on here but I'm sure Pardew/Carr and everyone at the club is trying to get one in, nothing wrong with brinkmanship

 

Nothing wrong with brinkmanship? What happens if we end up with only Anita because of brinkmanship? Is it still fine then?

I think Anita looks excellent and perfectly suited to the PL, great piece of business. If we don't end up with Debuchy/other RB then I'll be really disappointed. The point I'm making is, we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

 

Your points about Tottenham are all good, they're incredibly well run but then I think they're run better than pretty much the whole league so it's tough competition. Levy is a brilliant businessman who is constantly looking at loads of different ideas on how to bring in money/ensure they get the best deals. Look at that last season though, Defoe and Adebayor (on one of the last days of the window? Last in fact?). Not exactly an amazing strikeforce was it, certainly not until the last day. They do similar things to us, we're just not as sensitive to it as we don't give a s*** about them

 

So Anita looks like a suitable replacement for Guthrie then. Has anyone claimed any insight into behind the scene dealings? You clearly think it's brinkmanship like most, say it's fine then admit you'll be disappointed if it doesn't work, do it's not fine?

 

When Spurs sell players they re-invest, they've just bought the excellent Dembele after losing the excellent Modric and they're not finished yet, we're probably as difficult to deal with now and we seem to get decent money for our players these days, but that's where the similarities end for me. From memory didn't they just let Crouch go and get Adebayor on the same day? Not that it matters.

[Guest Eric]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

[NG32]

Spurs have been making big profits on players the last 5 to 6 years and should have some good resources to spend.

 

We were in the championship two seasons ago.

[NG32]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

[gbandit]

Well yeah, they lost Pavlyuchenko, Crouch and brought Ade in very late. Sure if I was a Spurs fan, I'd have been frustrated. I really liked Guthrie but can understand why he left, think Anita is a much better player than him though (certainly will become one as he's much more-rounded). I can only talk about it being fine right now and disappointed if we don't get a RB in if it doesn't happen. Do you want me to say I'm disappointed about something that hasn't happened?

 

Spurs are in a better position to get a player like Dembele because of his London connection + their financial situation and likelihood of a top five finish. I think we operate in a very similar manner to Spurs. They've lost Modric really late in the window which a lot of fans would worry about when they'd have expected it to happen all summer. Every club has its gripes. We have been steadily improving for a while now, we have a lot of talented youngsters who I think may well make an impact this season with all the games we'll have to play

[Guest Eric]

Spurs have been making big profits on players the last 5 to 6 years and should have some good resources to spend.

 

We were in the championship two seasons ago.

 

# Nett Spend 03/04 - 12/13 Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

         

1 Chelsea £687,000,000 £160,000,000 £527,000,000 £52,700,000

2 Manchester City £566,220,000 £150,325,000 £415,895,000 £41,589,500

3 Liverpool £420,380,000 £260,580,000 £159,800,000 £15,980,000

4 Manchester United £367,250,000 £234,850,000 £132,400,000 £13,240,000

5 Tottenham £331,400,000 £255,750,000 £75,650,000 £7,565,000

6 Aston Villa £199,850,000 £108,375,000 £91,475,000 £9,147,500

7 Sunderland £180,280,000 £113,950,000 £66,330,000 £6,633,000

8 Stoke City £76,070,000 £15,595,000 £60,475,000 £6,047,500

9 QPR £42,850,000 £2,650,000 £40,200,000 £4,020,000

10 Fulham £90,080,000 £53,745,000 £36,335,000 £3,633,500

11 West Ham £143,880,000 £108,225,000 £35,655,000 £3,565,500

12 West Bromwich Albion £80,485,000 £50,990,000 £29,495,000 £2,949,500

15 Norwich City £27,350,000 £17,410,000 £9,940,000 £994,000

14 Wigan  £96,365,000 £89,000,000 £7,365,000 £736,500

15 Swansea £23,920,000 £19,325,000 £4,595,000 £459,500

16 Newcastle £167,700,000 £164,200,000 £3,500,000 £350,000

17 Everton £124,550,500 £122,416,000 £2,134,500 £213,450

18 Reading £20,120,000 £28,550,000 -£8,430,000 -£843,000

19 Arsenal £244,200,000 £266,770,000 -£22,570,000 -£2,257,000

20 Southampton £35,765,000 £60,150,000 -£24,385,000 -£2,438,500

 

Try and keep up.

[Guest Eric]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

I've already addressed this, but I'll try and make it as simple as I can again, the football club has apparently returned to profit, these profits will grow as the tv deal has grown massively, we've saved a fortune on the wage bill and we've new sponsors. How do you think we intended to pay for Andy Carroll if we got him back, we offered CASH UPFRONT as usual.

[Dave]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

Why bid £15m+ on three players if we don't have the money?

[NG32]

Spurs have been making big profits on players the last 5 to 6 years and should have some good resources to spend.

 

We were in the championship two seasons ago.

 

# Nett Spend 03/04 - 12/13 Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

         

1 Chelsea £687,000,000 £160,000,000 £527,000,000 £52,700,000

2 Manchester City £566,220,000 £150,325,000 £415,895,000 £41,589,500

3 Liverpool £420,380,000 £260,580,000 £159,800,000 £15,980,000

4 Manchester United £367,250,000 £234,850,000 £132,400,000 £13,240,000

5 Tottenham £331,400,000 £255,750,000 £75,650,000 £7,565,000

6 Aston Villa £199,850,000 £108,375,000 £91,475,000 £9,147,500

7 Sunderland £180,280,000 £113,950,000 £66,330,000 £6,633,000

8 Stoke City £76,070,000 £15,595,000 £60,475,000 £6,047,500

9 QPR £42,850,000 £2,650,000 £40,200,000 £4,020,000

10 Fulham £90,080,000 £53,745,000 £36,335,000 £3,633,500

11 West Ham £143,880,000 £108,225,000 £35,655,000 £3,565,500

12 West Bromwich Albion £80,485,000 £50,990,000 £29,495,000 £2,949,500

15 Norwich City £27,350,000 £17,410,000 £9,940,000 £994,000

14 Wigan  £96,365,000 £89,000,000 £7,365,000 £736,500

15 Swansea £23,920,000 £19,325,000 £4,595,000 £459,500

16 Newcastle £167,700,000 £164,200,000 £3,500,000 £350,000

17 Everton £124,550,500 £122,416,000 £2,134,500 £213,450

18 Reading £20,120,000 £28,550,000 -£8,430,000 -£843,000

19 Arsenal £244,200,000 £266,770,000 -£22,570,000 -£2,257,000

20 Southampton £35,765,000 £60,150,000 -£24,385,000 -£2,438,500

 

Try and keep up.

 

What are you trying to say Eric?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Theres also the crazy notion that football clubs have income and expenditure not found on a basic transfers in/out list that also affects business, sounds a bit farfetched to some though 

[NG32]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

Why bid £15m+ on three players if we don't have the money?

 

We may have withdrew the money once we couldn't sign these players.  Attempting to sign players in January, leaving no money for summer transfers.

 

 

[Dave]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

Why bid £15m+ on three players if we don't have the money?

 

We may have withdrew the money once we couldn't sign these players.  Attempting to sign players in January, leaving no money for summer transfers.

 

So we do have it then.

[NG32]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

I've already addressed this, but I'll try and make it as simple as I can again, the football club has apparently returned to profit, these profits will grow as the tv deal has grown massively, we've saved a fortune on the wage bill and we've new sponsors. How do you think we intended to pay for Andy Carroll if we got him back, we offered CASH UPFRONT as usual.

 

You seem to have a crystal ball into the NUFC finances, can you actually tell me how much we have to spend?

[NG32]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

Why bid £15m+ on three players if we don't have the money?

 

We may have withdrew the money once we couldn't sign these players.  Attempting to sign players in January, leaving no money for summer transfers.

 

So we do have it then.

 

Just throwing ideas out there man, I personally think we do have it but care being cautious.

[High Five o]

Better to be well ran club then one in a total financial mess.

 

 

Better to reinvest on the pitch than have a healthier P&L account.

 

Only if you have the money to hand and the right players are available at the right price.

 

What a bizarre defence of the indefensible? It's short-sighted idiocy.

 

We're generating profits which will grow, the only reason MA has to put his hand in his pocket is because he insists on paying all fees upfront but he lets us get paid on the never never (Carroll aside). You mean to tell me there is not a better RB out there at a reasonable price? What about a French International who did well at the Euros?

 

From a financial perspective if I remember rightly where we also fell down was that our commercial revenue had actually shrank since MA arrived, that's apparently DL's remit and he's failing spectacularly. European football and attracting a better class of football might actually aid DL grow this revenue stream, but it appears we're far more interested in future re-sale value than organic growth as a football club. It's why people continually question motives and intentions.

 

History tells us since MA revealed the type of person he is, one window apart, January just passed, we know what's going to happen.

 

 

Jesus man, look at the squad we have, quite good right.

We are keeping our best players (so far)

We are doing something right, our additions have been spot on the last years.

 

I want more players, at least a RB, dont get me wrong. But frankly we have no clue whats going on in the negotiations with Lille or any other clubs.

 

But goddamn man, get some air

 

I'll excuse you for not understanding as you're foreign, but yeah my favourite colour is green as I said above.

 

Yes, me being foreign has a lot to do with my understanding. Such a childish argument, but go on

The fact is you get wound up by the media/twitter/forum bandwagon in regards to signing players, while the fact is we know jack s*** of whats going on behind the scene. If everything was as easy as some here are going on about Debuchy, i am sure he would be a  NUFC player by now.

Obviously its not as straight forward, and i think Lille hold out for top dollar for this lad despite what the media says about rumored transfer fees.

 

What are you going on about? I'n not wound up at all, I've never purported to know anything whatsoever?

 

It is quite straight forward you pay a price a club wants or you don't, that simple, if not you move on to another target, or why look for a RB if we don't need one? Like you, it's very, very simple.

 

But i disagree its so simple. I think we had a "agreement" with Lille what Debuchy would cost, and i think they reassessed the price after the Euros. Even Debuch hinted something like that in a interview he made dident he? So we are playing hardball with Lille regarding the price. I also think that we have other RB`s in mind, but that is hard to tell really.

 

And to be honest, what successful business man agree on the first price the seller gives them?

At least on a product like a football player, with no retail price.

 

[NG32]

Better to be well ran club then one in a total financial mess.

 

 

Better to reinvest on the pitch than have a healthier P&L account.

 

Only if you have the money to hand and the right players are available at the right price.

 

What a bizarre defence of the indefensible? It's short-sighted idiocy.

 

We're generating profits which will grow, the only reason MA has to put his hand in his pocket is because he insists on paying all fees upfront but he lets us get paid on the never never (Carroll aside). You mean to tell me there is not a better RB out there at a reasonable price? What about a French International who did well at the Euros?

 

From a financial perspective if I remember rightly where we also fell down was that our commercial revenue had actually shrank since MA arrived, that's apparently DL's remit and he's failing spectacularly. European football and attracting a better class of football might actually aid DL grow this revenue stream, but it appears we're far more interested in future re-sale value than organic growth as a football club. It's why people continually question motives and intentions.

 

History tells us since MA revealed the type of person he is, one window apart, January just passed, we know what's going to happen.

 

 

Jesus man, look at the squad we have, quite good right.

We are keeping our best players (so far)

We are doing something right, our additions have been spot on the last years.

 

I want more players, at least a RB, dont get me wrong. But frankly we have no clue whats going on in the negotiations with Lille or any other clubs.

 

But goddamn man, get some air

 

I'll excuse you for not understanding as you're foreign, but yeah my favourite colour is green as I said above.

 

Yes, me being foreign has a lot to do with my understanding. Such a childish argument, but go on

The fact is you get wound up by the media/twitter/forum bandwagon in regards to signing players, while the fact is we know jack s*** of whats going on behind the scene. If everything was as easy as some here are going on about Debuchy, i am sure he would be a  NUFC player by now.

Obviously its not as straight forward, and i think Lille hold out for top dollar for this lad despite what the media says about rumored transfer fees.

 

What are you going on about? I'n not wound up at all, I've never purported to know anything whatsoever?

 

It is quite straight forward you pay a price a club wants or you don't, that simple, if not you move on to another target, or why look for a RB if we don't need one? Like you, it's very, very simple.

 

But i disagree its so simple. I think we had a "agreement" with Lille what Debuchy would cost, and i think they reassessed the price after the Euros. Even Debuch hinted something like that in a interview he made dident he? So we are playing hardball with Lille regarding the price. I also think that we have other RB`s in mind, but that is hard to tell really.

 

And to be honest, what successful business man agree on the first price the seller gives them?

At least on a product like a football player, with no retail price.

 

 

No, no, no! Its just like Fifa 12 or FM just pay the asking price!!!!

 

Its all a straight line to success !!! It couldn't be simpler !!!

[Guest Eric]

Well yeah, they lost Pavlyuchenko, Crouch and brought Ade in very late. Sure if I was a Spurs fan, I'd have been frustrated. I really liked Guthrie but can understand why he left, think Anita is a much better player than him though (certainly will become one as he's much more-rounded). I can only talk about it being fine right now and disappointed if we don't get a RB in if it doesn't happen. Do you want me to say I'm disappointed about something that hasn't happened?

 

Spurs are in a better position to get a player like Dembele because of his London connection + their financial situation and likelihood of a top five finish. I think we operate in a very similar manner to Spurs. They've lost Modric really late in the window which a lot of fans would worry about when they'd have expected it to happen all summer. Every club has its gripes. We have been steadily improving for a while now, we have a lot of talented youngsters who I think may well make an impact this season with all the games we'll have to play

 

Pav never left until February this Year, however irrlevant that was.

 

I actually thought Guthrie was probably our most consistent midfielder last season, so that's high praise for Anita indeed, hope he's as good as you think he is. I don't want you to be unhappy at anything, you either think brinkmanship is a good thing or it's not, you said it was, then said it wouldn't be, which is it? It's good if it works, not so if it doesn't?

 

Spurs are in a position to sign Dembele because they re-invest and they plan, Modric deal has been going on forever, they're pragmatic, we're fuck all like them, Levy signed RDV on deadline day because he was a bargain, imagine Llambias doing that? They've already lined their ducks up with plenty of time to spare, as usual we're looking like doing nowt and missing yet another massive opportunity, if that happens, it's just history repeating itself, both in the transfer market and the apologists.

[Guest Eric]

Exactly. People are too caught up in this "sensible financial model" bullshit. Some would rather hang a balance sheet on their wall where they used to have posters up of our good players.

 

Again, there is no middle ground...those people sayng we dont know whats happening are now being accused of getting an erection off a decent looking balance sheet.

 

Not true, we are just suggesting none of us know the crack of whats going on.  Im sure they have good enough reasons for not over spending.

For people to say "just pay the extra million quid FFS" is easier said then done.

 

By over-spending, you really mean spending, £3m net remember.

 

What if we dont have the momeny to spend?

 

I've already addressed this, but I'll try and make it as simple as I can again, the football club has apparently returned to profit, these profits will grow as the tv deal has grown massively, we've saved a fortune on the wage bill and we've new sponsors. How do you think we intended to pay for Andy Carroll if we got him back, we offered CASH UPFRONT as usual.

 

You seem to have a crystal ball into the NUFC finances, can you actually tell me how much we have to spend?

 

As much as Mike Ashley is prepared to, we've already bid 8 figure sums for at least two strikers, do you have ADHD?

[NG32]

Well yeah, they lost Pavlyuchenko, Crouch and brought Ade in very late. Sure if I was a Spurs fan, I'd have been frustrated. I really liked Guthrie but can understand why he left, think Anita is a much better player than him though (certainly will become one as he's much more-rounded). I can only talk about it being fine right now and disappointed if we don't get a RB in if it doesn't happen. Do you want me to say I'm disappointed about something that hasn't happened?

 

Spurs are in a better position to get a player like Dembele because of his London connection + their financial situation and likelihood of a top five finish. I think we operate in a very similar manner to Spurs. They've lost Modric really late in the window which a lot of fans would worry about when they'd have expected it to happen all summer. Every club has its gripes. We have been steadily improving for a while now, we have a lot of talented youngsters who I think may well make an impact this season with all the games we'll have to play

 

Pav never left until February this Year, however irrlevant that was.

 

I actually thought Guthrie was probably our most consistent midfielder last season, so that's high praise for Anita indeed, hope he's as good as you think he is. I don't want you to be unhappy at anything, you either think brinkmanship is a good thing or it's not, you said it was, then said it wouldn't be, which is it? It's good if it works, not so if it doesn't?

 

Spurs are in a position to sign Dembele because they re-invest and they plan, Modric deal has been going on forever, they're pragmatic, we're f*** all like them, Levy signed RDV on deadline day because he was a bargain, imagine Llambias doing that? They've already lined their ducks up with plenty of time to spare, as usual we're looking like doing nowt and missing yet another massive opportunity, if that happens, it's just history repeating itself, both in the transfer market and the apologists.

 

 

Never thought I'd see the day when someone called me an apologist for Ashley n Decker.

 

Eric, if its so simple why are we not doing what you say?