AlanSkÃrare Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think Ba has shown more than Papiss tbh. I'd play Marv-Cab-HBA behind Ba for Everton, with Cheick and Jonad sittning behind. Anita can stay at RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 A 4-4-2 with three players on their wrong foot is absolutely ridiculous btw, especially when the fourth player is Simpson who can't cross. That formation is all about the delivery and we simply don't have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisdom Body Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Just to add to what Yorkie said, alternating Cissé and Ba at the front would also make us deeper in attack since we'd only be playing 1 centre-forward at a time. We have several players who can play wide in a front 3: Marveaux, Amalfitano, Obertan, Jonas. I think Pardew knows all this, he just needs to grow the pair needed to drop either Cissé or Ba from game to game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I don't think it's anything to do with Ba, I just think that's how Pardew wants to play, that's how he played nearly all last season. As tight as possible, get it into the front men as early as possible, hope that the quality we've got will win us the game. Whatever the fuck it is it needs to stop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 For me, Pardew changing to 4-3-1-2 over 4-3-3 demonstrates his primary objective is to keep Ba/Cisse happy by playing them in a front 2. How long will he continue to hinder the team before he recognizes that we really should be playing 4-3-3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think Wullie is spot on, I can't believe Pardew would go for a formation he didn't like just to accomodate one player. Up until today we have clearly been trying to play a shorter passing game from defence, so I don't think "get it forward early as possible" is necessarily one of Pardew's philosophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 What formation does he not like again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 What formation does he not like again? You what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 "I can't believe Pardew would go for a formation he didn't like just to accomodate one player" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 "I can't believe Pardew would go for a formation he didn't like just to accomodate one player" If he didn't like 4-4-2, I don't think he would play it just to keep Ba happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Ah right, that much seems obvious. I have a sneaking feeling he does like 4-4-2 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Ah right, that much seems obvious. Not to all the people who have argued that keeping Ba happy is the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 4-4-2 is just so stagnant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Ah right, that much seems obvious. Not to all the people who have argued that keeping Ba happy is the reason. Keeping Ba happy is a very plausible reason. Otherwise: Why else play 4-4-2 when it is obvious to everyone that 4-3-3 suits our players better? Why change to 4-3-1-2 (a system our team has not played much in) instead of 4-3-3 unless to keep Ba happy playing as a central striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Well, because Pardew himself seems to prefer 4-4-2, or at least variations of it. I don't know why, but keeping Ba happy can't be the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Im not 100% convinced either but you cannot be so sure when you cant even offer some reasonable alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 All well and good playing 4-3-3 but there has to be a plan B, and that's what Carroll would've given us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Plan B is ben arfa as false no 9 and no strikers on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 We only played 442 today until Simpson went off injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Interesting to see we went 4-3-1-2 for the majority of today, don't think it was really the right game to try it though as it suited a narrow Villa who were OK to sit back after they went up. It was a decent idea and it was nice to see something different but we should simply have 4-3-3 as plan A and use others to pull us out of the shit. Hopefully AP's starting to realise that it just doesn't suit the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 For me, Pardew changing to 4-3-1-2 over 4-3-3 demonstrates his primary objective is to keep Ba/Cisse happy by playing them in a front 2. How long will he continue to hinder the team before he recognizes that we really should be playing 4-3-3? Missed this, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Need Shola fit ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 We only played 442 today until Simpson went off injured. Yep, once again we switched to 4-3-3 for the second half and once again it paid off. I thought Pardew had learned from the Spurs game where he also switched at half time and it paid off then too. We've got a limited squad and very little option to change it. Go with 4-3-3 and pray we don't get injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 We only played 442 today until Simpson went off injured. Yep, once again we switched to 4-3-3 for the second half and once again it paid off. I thought Pardew had learned from the Spurs game where he also switched at half time and it paid off then too. We've got a limited squad and very little option to change it. Go with 4-3-3 and pray we don't get injuries. Was more of a 4 1 2 1 2 for long periods today, with Bigi sitting deeper and then Jonas left central and Cabaye right central midfield with Ben Arfa playing more central off Cisse and Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 We only played 442 today until Simpson went off injured. Yep, once again we switched to 4-3-3 for the second half and once again it paid off. I thought Pardew had learned from the Spurs game where he also switched at half time and it paid off then too. We've got a limited squad and very little option to change it. Go with 4-3-3 and pray we don't get injuries. Was more of a 4 1 2 1 2 for long periods today, with Bigi sitting deeper and then Jonas left central and Cabaye right central midfield with Ben Arfa playing more central off Cisse and Ba. Agree you can call it that I suppose. Second half Ben Arfa was more central than he was second half against Spurs and had more freedom to roam, so yeah the front three had a different shape. There does seem to be a desire from Pardew to accommodate the two forwards in the role they want. Problem is they both want to be a number 9, neither will do the support role of a number 10. They don't work for each other, neither can hold the ball up particularly well, win headers, work the flank etc. When we started today's game Ben Arfa was around the halfway line right side, with Gutierrez on the other side, in what looked like a flat 4-4-2 and it was awful, just as it was against Spurs first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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