Pardew Out?

[Dave]

Alan Pardew's side will aim to avoid a third successive league loss on home soil, something that Newcastle fans have only endured once during the Premier League era - in the 2008/09 relegation season (against Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea).

 

And were the Magpies allow Wigan to record a first-ever victory at SJP, they would also have set the unwanted record of losing five successive Premier League games for the first time.

 

No pressure then. Slightly better opposition last time btw.

[Rebellious]

Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley  thinks pards is the right man.  that's the bigger picture.

 

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games.  We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league.  We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total.

 

Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others.  We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away.

 

How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position.

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

So have those teams overtaken us now?  Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them?

 

I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ?  The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics.  West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ?

[Rebellious]

 

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

Aye, right.  We've only been disappointing twice this season. 

 

I thought this was the Pardew out thread ? I can`t see how Pardew is to blame for Krul making game changing errors, surely that would be down to him or the goal keeping coach ? Williamson being twice as shit as last year if that is possible, Pardew does not control the finances, surely that is Ashleys fault ? Cabaye playing with a groin propblem, did Pardew kick him in it ? Colo getting injured and then after that getting a red ? Pardew again ? Toite for the past few seasons has needed a run of 4-5 games to start performing, hes been injured and suspended. Cisse can`t score without pin point service, without Toite and Cabaye on top form that hasn`t happened. I could go on and on. I just don`t see it as simple as Pardew needs replacing.  I see it as a crap summer transfer window, some shit individual errors, bad concentration and a bit of bad luck.

[Darth Crooks]

 

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

Aye, right.  We've only been disappointing twice this season. 

 

I thought this was the Pardew out thread ? I can`t see how Pardew is to blame for Krul making game changing errors, surely that would be down to him or the goal keeping coach ? Williamson being twice as shit as last year if that is possible, Pardew does not control the finances, surely that is Ashleys fault ? Cabaye playing with a groin propblem, did Pardew kick him in it ? Colo getting injured and then after that getting a red ? Pardew again ? Toite for the past few seasons has needed a run of 4-5 games to start performing, hes been injured and suspended. Cisse can`t score without pin point service, without Toite and Cabaye on top form that hasn`t happened. I could go on and on. I just don`t see it as simple as Pardew needs replacing.  I see it as a crap summer transfer window, some shit individual errors, bad concentration and a bit of bad luck.

 

Pardew can't be absolved as much as I agree with the comments on investment (A main and major source of our decline) and the role of individuals. Our squad as a whole is capable of producing better; more than a handful of our players have dwindled this season and Pardew and tactics need to be held culpable to a clear degree.

[Mick]

 

 

I thought this was the Pardew out thread ? I can`t see how Pardew is to blame for Krul making game changing errors, surely that would be down to him or the goal keeping coach ? Williamson being twice as s*** as last year if that is possible, Pardew does not control the finances, surely that is Ashleys fault ? Cabaye playing with a groin propblem, did Pardew kick him in it ? Colo getting injured and then after that getting a red ? Pardew again ? Toite for the past few seasons has needed a run of 4-5 games to start performing, hes been injured and suspended. Cisse can`t score without pin point service, without Toite and Cabaye on top form that hasn`t happened. I could go on and on. I just don`t see it as simple as Pardew needs replacing.  I see it as a crap summer transfer window, some s*** individual errors, bad concentration and a bit of bad luck.

 

All of our problems are not down to Pardew, I doubt that many think that they are. 

 

For me he is the main reason we're struggling.  If we lose on Monday then I can’t see past him having to go because our league status is more important than he is. 

 

I don’t think Pardew has got us playing to the players strengths and as far as I’m concerned that’s the main reason we are where we are.  If players are holding us back then they shouldn't be playing.  If Pardew can’t see and change what’s wrong then he should go.

[Ikon]

We have 9 players missing, yes! Only 3 of them would start though!! Pardew keeps babbling

[loki679]

Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley  thinks pards is the right man.  that's the bigger picture.

 

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games.  We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league.  We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total.

 

Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others.  We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away.

 

How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position.

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

So have those teams overtaken us now?  Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them?

 

I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ?  The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics.  West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ?

 

There are plenty of Arsenal fans who are saying so.

 

City and Chelsea having a blip can't seriously be compared to losing 4 games in a row against some of the supposed weaker teams in the division.  West Brom, Swansea, West Ham, Norwich.  Four teams with squads weaker than ours who are outperforming us at the current time.

[Rebellious]

Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley  thinks pards is the right man.  that's the bigger picture.

 

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games.  We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league.  We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total.

 

Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others.  We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away.

 

How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position.

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

So have those teams overtaken us now?  Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them?

 

I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ?  The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics.  West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ?

 

There are plenty of Arsenal fans who are saying so.

 

City and Chelsea having a blip can't seriously be compared to losing 4 games in a row against some of the supposed weaker teams in the division.  West Brom, Swansea, West Ham, Norwich.  Four teams with squads weaker than ours who are outperforming us at the current time.

 

Could it be our bad form this season has coincided with these so called weaker squads having a good run of form. Swansea beating Arsenal shortly after beating us. West Ham beat Chelsea shortly after beating us. West Brom have had a good season anyway.

[loki679]

Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley  thinks pards is the right man.  that's the bigger picture.

 

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games.  We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league.  We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total.

 

Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others.  We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away.

 

How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position.

 

Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost.  2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men.  Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.

 

So have those teams overtaken us now?  Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them?

 

I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ?  The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics.  West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ?

 

There are plenty of Arsenal fans who are saying so.

 

City and Chelsea having a blip can't seriously be compared to losing 4 games in a row against some of the supposed weaker teams in the division.  West Brom, Swansea, West Ham, Norwich.  Four teams with squads weaker than ours who are outperforming us at the current time.

 

Could it be our bad form this season has coincided with these so called weaker squads having a good run of form. Swansea beating Arsenal shortly after beating us. West Ham beat Chelsea shortly after beating us. West Brom have had a good season anyway.

 

Possibly but we're 15 games into the season now, things are generally shaping up by this point.  Swansea and West Brom have had good seasons and they've been playing good football along with it.  Norwich are scrapping out results for the most part and getting draws instead of what should be defeats  and West Ham are based on a fairly solid defence.

 

We've played 14 games so far and I can't remember many good ones, if any.  Maybe 90 minutes of decent football in 14 games, that's not bad form in my opinion, thats something else.

[Guest bimpy474]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is fucking mental. Absolutely mental.

[Ikon]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

[Dr Venkman]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Do you believe your eyes?

[Jack Flash]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Do you believe your eyes?

 

uh oh...

[Guest bimpy474]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Ask your guide dog to tell you then ,  only joking

 

We have been awful and its not just about how bad we are playing, its the crap and contridictions that he comes out with that have done me.

[Guest bimpy474]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Do you believe your eyes?

 

Well mine work fine and dont lie, except when i look at my waistline nowadays.

 

We are abysmal at the moment, i detest long ball and its exactly how he has us playing.

[Ikon]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Ask your guide dog to tell you then ,  only joking

 

We have been awful and its not just about how bad we are playing, its the crap and contridictions that he comes out with that have done me.

 

I agree 100%

[Guest bimpy474]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Also Wigan have just as many missing, just watch their approach to the game. Injuries and Europa league is bullshit excuses for our style of play.

 

I can handle losing, just not the shit football he is serving up.

[Ikon]

I wasn't being serious, just using another mans words.

[Guest bimpy474]

I wasn't being serious, just using another mans words.

 

Ah i was wondering,

 

Went in both feet didn't i

 

Well played sir.

[Ikon]

Yellow card at least tbh.

[Rebellious]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Ask your guide dog to tell you then ,  only joking

 

We have been awful and its not just about how bad we are playing, its the crap and contridictions that he comes out with that have done me.

 

I agree 100%

 

Theres got to be more to it. Good players could still make Hoof ball work surely. The invidual errors and invidual below par form worry me more than the tactics. For some reason they all look drained of confidence. Colo letting his man go at Stoke for their second goal is out of character. Lets say Pardew turns up for training on a Monday morning and says " right lets practise lumping it forward again this week in a ridgid 4-4-2 formation, then after that lets work on miss placing passes." I just can`t see it myself.  Someone in another thread mentioned the players maybe feeling disallusioned by Ashley not spending a penny. I think if anything its more to do with it. I really do not think that a manager that turned us around one season could cluelessly destroy us the next whilst being oblivious it.

[Guest bimpy474]

Yellow card at least tbh.

 

Taken without any backchat too

[Guest bimpy474]

Our bad form is down to poor tactics and playing in no way to the strengths of our players.

 

If Pardew looks at our squad and thinks hoofball is what suits them best, he is f***ing mental. Absolutely mental.

 

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season...

 

Ask your guide dog to tell you then ,  only joking

 

We have been awful and its not just about how bad we are playing, its the crap and contridictions that he comes out with that have done me.

 

I agree 100%

 

Theres got to be more to it. Good players could still make Hoof ball work surely. The invidual errors and invidual below par form worry me more than the tactics. For some reason they all look drained of confidence. Colo letting his man go at Stoke for their second goal is out of character. Lets say Pardew turns up for training on a Monday morning and says " right lets practise lumping it forward again this week in a ridgid 4-4-2 formation, then after that lets work on miss placing passes." I just can`t see it myself.  Someone in another thread mentioned the players maybe feeling disallusioned by Ashley not spending a penny. I think if anything its more to do with it. I really do not think that a manager that turned us around one season could cluelessly destroy us the next whilst being oblivious it.

 

You are making good points, but giving him too much credit imo. As i've said before its not just the dire football, its what he keeps saying as well.

 

But to tbf, lack of investment after a good season didn't help, and what didn't help with that was Pardew saying we should be grateful for not losing anyone blah blah Mike blah blah Derek blah blah bumlick.

[Cajun]

In my opinion anything a manager says about a performance/one of his players/his bosses should immediately be disregarded.

 

He will always paint them in the best light possible even if he and everyone else knows he is talking absolute plop.

[Guest bimpy474]

In my opinion anything a manager says about a performance/one of his players/his bosses should immediately be disregarded.

 

He will always paint them in the best light possible even if he and everyone else knows he is talking absolute plop.

 

  Life is rather like that too.