Mick Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 An early goal for either side is just about the worst that can happen. For them it's game over for us, for us and it's 80 minutes of defending on our own goal line and howking it away. I would rather they got an early goal than one either side of half time, a goal then and our crowd will be restless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think they're on course for midtable this year, but we'll see. Very good teamwork, difficult to read going forward and pleasing on the eye. No massive superstars to get plucked out of their team (eg. Moses, Valencia etc) right now either, so maybe a chance to build some momentum. Kone is a good buy - such a handful - but don't think he'll get stolen that quickly. No customary horrific start, so they should be a bit more comfy than usual come May. If only their defence wasn't so fucking abhorrent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 An early goal for either side is just about the worst that can happen. For them it's game over for us, for us and it's 80 minutes of defending on our own goal line and howking it away. I would rather they got an early goal than one either side of half time, a goal then and our crowd will be restless. Well if they take the lead we have no chance for the win if our record under Pardew is to be looked at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think they're on course for midtable this year, but we'll see. Very good teamwork, difficult to read going forward and pleasing on the eye. No massive superstars to get plucked out of their team (eg. Moses, Valencia etc) right now either, so maybe a chance to build some momentum. Kone is a good buy - such a handful - but don't think he'll get stolen that quickly. No customary horrific start, so they should be a bit more comfy than usual come May. If only their defence wasn't so f***ing abhorrent Yh agree they look a lot more comfortable in this league than they have for a while, about that defence.... Gary Caldwell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 We got 10m for Bassong!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Saw that can't be right surely can it ?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I've always thought it was there abouts, 8-9m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I thought it was around 8m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did we have any sell any fees? some of the Norwich transfer might have bumped it up to 10. Still ridiculous mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 7ish, I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think Martinez is a little overrated personally, he has spent some good money and they still just about stay up every season. Worse managers have done more in the league with less investment (us last season ironically enough). 2012/13 - (1.9m) 2011/12 - (1.8m) 2010/11 - 1.75m 2009/10 - 7.35m 2008/09 - (15.3m) [ ~ Transferleague.co.uk] I make that out as a £9.9m profit!* (excuse any errors) What is our net spend over the same period? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think Martinez is a little overrated personally, he has spent some good money and they still just about stay up every season. Worse managers have done more in the league with less investment (us last season ironically enough). 2012/13 - (1.9m) 2011/12 - (1.8m) 2010/11 - 1.75m 2009/10 - 7.35m 2008/09 - (15.3m) [ ~ Transferleague.co.uk] I make that out as a £9.9m profit!* (excuse any errors) What is our net spend over the same period? Same period, a whopping £36m profit! Pardew, a £11.05m profit. (excl. Perch who was a Hughton buy IIRC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 An early goal for either side is just about the worst that can happen. For them it's game over for us, for us and it's 80 minutes of defending on our own goal line and howking it away. I would rather they got an early goal than one either side of half time, a goal then and our crowd will be restless. Well if they take the lead we have no chance for the win if our record under Pardew is to be looked at. Horrible that we're discussing 'when would be the best time for them to score?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I've said it before and i'll say it again - I think it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest he should be sacked. The first real bad run of form in his time at the club and we should hit the panic button? When has chopping and changing managers ever served us well? I think there's a reality check required. I do understand these frustrations because I share a lot of them however I don't see getting rid of him as the magic bullet that will solve all our problems. In fact I think should the club and Pardew come out the other end of this we'll be much stronger for it. Thankfully we've an owner who has full faith in Pardew and doesn't give a shit what we think which means unless we're floating around the bottom three come Spring he's staying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerherenow Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 This thread is an embarrassment and fortunately not representative of any popular opinion in Tyneside that I've heard - yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think Martinez is a little overrated personally, he has spent some good money and they still just about stay up every season. Worse managers have done more in the league with less investment (us last season ironically enough). 2012/13 - (1.9m) 2011/12 - (1.8m) 2010/11 - 1.75m 2009/10 - 7.35m 2008/09 - (15.3m) [ ~ Transferleague.co.uk] I make that out as a £9.9m profit!* (excuse any errors) What is our net spend over the same period? Same period, a whopping £36m profit! Pardew, a £11.05m profit. (excl. Perch who was a Hughton buy IIRC). So they have spent about £26m than us and are still just avoiding relegation. Sorry but I really don't believe many would be happy with that no matter how much 'good football' we played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 This thread is an embarrassment and fortunately not representative of any popular opinion in Tyneside that I've heard - yet. I agree it's an embarrassment, 14th in the league and 14 points after 14 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So they have spent about £26m than us and are still just avoiding relegation. Sorry but I really don't believe many would be happy with that no matter how much 'good football' we played. The bit in bold. I make that out as a £9.9m profit!* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Think Martinez is a little overrated personally, he has spent some good money and they still just about stay up every season. Worse managers have done more in the league with less investment (us last season ironically enough). 2012/13 - (1.9m) 2011/12 - (1.8m) 2010/11 - 1.75m 2009/10 - 7.35m 2008/09 - (15.3m) [ ~ Transferleague.co.uk] I make that out as a £9.9m profit!* (excuse any errors) What is our net spend over the same period? Same period, a whopping £36m profit! Pardew, a £11.05m profit. (excl. Perch who was a Hughton buy IIRC). So they have spent about £24m than us and are still just avoiding relegation. Sorry but I really don't believe many would be happy with that no matter how much 'good football' we played. You were discussing Martinez being overrated and spending more money than thought, so I don't think looking at club spending over the same period is the most salient comparison. Looking at Pardew and Martinez's spending is slightly more helpful, but also doesn't give us the full picture because it doesn't tell you what squads they inherited. Pardew's first order of business was to sell a ready-made £35m asset ffs I accept that Martinez didn't buy Valencia though, which would knock out £16m of Martinez's stats too. The stats are interesting and helpful to a point, but you've over-simplified matters in your last post IMO. Martinez is head and shoulders ahead of Pardew and I'm confident time will bear that out. They're on the way up, and we're on the way down (with Pardew at the helm) IMO. We might see that tomorrow, we may not, but looking at them on a whole (something which I very unhelpfully cannot quantify ) Martinez's is on another planet to Pardew. I think the good football you belittle is a very useful indicator of that unquantifiable stuff, that in the long-run, really does make the difference between a craperage manager (to steal a malandro-ism) and a good one (like Martinez IMO). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So us (Pardew) having to sell a £35m forward is a benefit? To me that sounds like we have had to deal with bigger player loses whilst still spending less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So us (Pardew) having to sell a £35m forward is a benefit? To me that sounds like we have had to deal with bigger player loses whilst still spending less I'm not sure I said that mate. Its arguable Moses was as big a loss for them. Same with N'Zogbia. Don't think sale price is necessarily determinative of how big the loss is to a team/manager. Feel like you've neglected the rest of the post I made too. Martinez's, almost palpable, tactical intelligence and ability to coach football is far better than anything Pardew has demonstrated so far here. I find him more personable too, and think he has a very bright future. Anyway, I'm not going to push too hard on this one! We only just got you back but I do think you've done Martinez a disservice with your comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Wages play a huge part too. We'll probably end up paying more in wages to Ba, Cabaye, Marveaux and Santon than we paid to sign them that summer. Wigan can't do that which gives us the financial advantage without the net spend looking bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Wages play a huge part too. We'll probably end up paying more in wages to Ba, Cabaye, Marveaux and Santon than we paid to sign them that summer. Wigan can't do that which gives us the financial advantage without the net spend looking bad. Final parting shot (honest!): I'll also add in prestige! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Pretty sure Pardew's promises of fantastic football played a big part too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 So us (Pardew) having to sell a £35m forward is a benefit? To me that sounds like we have had to deal with bigger player loses whilst still spending less I'm not sure I said that mate. Its arguable Moses was as big a loss for them. Same with N'Zogbia. Don't think sale price is necessarily determinative of how big the loss is to a team/manager. Feel like you've neglected the rest of the post I made too. Martinez's, almost palpable, tactical intelligence and ability to coach football is far better than anything Pardew has demonstrated so far here. I find him more personable too, and think he has a very bright future. Anyway, I'm not going to push too hard on this one! We only just got you back but I do think you've done Martinez a disservice with your comments We talk about him like he is the little fish in the big pond, he has had far more resources than teams who have done MUCH better. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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