Alan Pardew

[Mick]

I'm not talking to yee either man

 

f*** this I'm going to bed.

 

[Happy Face]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo. I'd sell my granny to have an exciting attacking manager like him.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

A season ticket holder saw Newcastle win 33% more games than a Swansea season ticket holder last year. But I know facts tend to cloud the issue so I apologise for mentioning it.

 

"Last year" isn't the same as last season. Is this another one of your creative uses of stats?

 

No. I meant last season. We won 9 at home. They won 6.

 

Its a pointless discussion.  Like being asked who would win a fight between the grufallo and sasquatch.  I named several other PL managers I wouldn't be fussed on at the same time. It's really not worth pages of discussion.

 

 

I'd rather win 6 at home but finish 8th, than win 9 and finish 16th. Besides they collected only 2 pts less than us at home, and lost 4 less than we did.

 

Stats are just utter bollocks, and another excuse to give Pardew.

 

You seem to have missed the point of Willie's argument. He only goes to watch a team that plays to win. The fact that Swansea drew more games than we did is of no interest to him. Newcastle won more than them so as someone that wants to see winning football he got his moneys worth more with Newcastle. More than he would any team outside the top 6.

 

 

You seem to think stats mean more, and the major point that flies over your head like a fucking polaris missile is......you seem to think stats are more important than someones eyes and knowledge of the game. While i agree this season (Hull and Man City games apart imo) we have certainly played a lot better, i say that as a massive Pardew hater (as some call it) but i cant deny what my eyes and football knowledge tell about the football this season, it is much better.

 

Last season we were dreadful, no amount of stats can change that. Percentage wins, wins at home, lalalalala. And saying Wullie got his moneys worth in fucking insulting with the standard of football served up. Wullie should have got a refund, and bought a drink, and a pie, and a cab home.

 

Whatever Willie tells you, he would not be happy if we failed to win 13 games at home as long as we played nice tippy tappy stuff.

 

I've never once made the case that stats show we play good football.  Anything I have presented has been to counter a specific misrepresentation of the facts of what Pardew's failings have been suggested to be, over and above tactical naivety and a failure to have a team play as a unit.

 

I am used to watching shit football at Newcastle. Very few managers have put together fluid attacking teams in the 20+ years I've been going.  It's not something I expect it's something I appreciate when it happens.  It should happen when a manager is given all the backing he needs.

 

I have no illusions about ANY manager pulling it off while his paymasters seem to be actively working against him.

 

Mate, no one likes Pardew's paymasters, but that's no reason to excuse rank bad management and coaching when it's there in front of your eyes. Allardyce failed here because he had no idea how to use footballers who weren't suited to his limited long ball game. Since he got sacked, has he proven anybody wrong that doubted he could step it up a level? I'm sure you could make a case though that he had a better home record than Laudrup so he must be a better manager.

 

Misrepresentation.

 

 

[TRon]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo. I'd sell my granny to have an exciting attacking manager like him.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

A season ticket holder saw Newcastle win 33% more games than a Swansea season ticket holder last year. But I know facts tend to cloud the issue so I apologise for mentioning it.

 

"Last year" isn't the same as last season. Is this another one of your creative uses of stats?

 

No. I meant last season. We won 9 at home. They won 6.

 

Its a pointless discussion.  Like being asked who would win a fight between the grufallo and sasquatch.  I named several other PL managers I wouldn't be fussed on at the same time. It's really not worth pages of discussion.

 

 

I'd rather win 6 at home but finish 8th, than win 9 and finish 16th. Besides they collected only 2 pts less than us at home, and lost 4 less than we did.

 

Stats are just utter bollocks, and another excuse to give Pardew.

 

You seem to have missed the point of Willie's argument. He only goes to watch a team that plays to win. The fact that Swansea drew more games than we did is of no interest to him. Newcastle won more than them so as someone that wants to see winning football he got his moneys worth more with Newcastle. More than he would any team outside the top 6.

 

 

You seem to think stats mean more, and the major point that flies over your head like a fucking polaris missile is......you seem to think stats are more important than someones eyes and knowledge of the game. While i agree this season (Hull and Man City games apart imo) we have certainly played a lot better, i say that as a massive Pardew hater (as some call it) but i cant deny what my eyes and football knowledge tell about the football this season, it is much better.

 

Last season we were dreadful, no amount of stats can change that. Percentage wins, wins at home, lalalalala. And saying Wullie got his moneys worth in fucking insulting with the standard of football served up. Wullie should have got a refund, and bought a drink, and a pie, and a cab home.

 

Whatever Willie tells you, he would not be happy if we failed to win 13 games at home as long as we played nice tippy tappy stuff.

 

I've never once made the case that stats show we play good football.  Anything I have presented has been to counter a specific misrepresentation of the facts of what Pardew's failings have been suggested to be, over and above tactical naivety and a failure to have a team play as a unit.

 

I am used to watching shit football at Newcastle. Very few managers have put together fluid attacking teams in the 20+ years I've been going.  It's not something I expect it's something I appreciate when it happens.  It should happen when a manager is given all the backing he needs.

 

I have no illusions about ANY manager pulling it off while his paymasters seem to be actively working against him.

 

Mate, no one likes Pardew's paymasters, but that's no reason to excuse rank bad management and coaching when it's there in front of your eyes. Allardyce failed here because he had no idea how to use footballers who weren't suited to his limited long ball game. Since he got sacked, has he proven anybody wrong that doubted he could step it up a level? I'm sure you could make a case though that he had a better home record than Laudrup so he must be a better manager.

 

Misrepresentation.

 

 

 

I'm sure if you were that concerned you could be bothered to explain how.

[Happy Face]

Basically, my wife is a shit cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly fucker.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

[TRon]

Basically, my wife is a shit cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly fucker.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly fucker" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

[Mick]

Basically, my wife is a s*** cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly f***er.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

I see you taste in super models is as bad as your taste in managers, you've got nowt going for you.

[Guest bimpy474]

Well this is now my area of expertise

[Happy Face]

Basically, my wife is a shit cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly fucker.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly fucker" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

 

Oh but it is. If you think Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley are attractive to any manager worth his salt you are incorrect.

 

Harry Redknapp knew.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Well this is now my area of expertise

 

lone behold someone slags off their wife and then Bimpy pops up... sixth sense.

[Guest Forollhogna]

The last thing I want is Ashley backing Pardew. Shudder to think about the throng of clobbers who Pardew would have bought straight away...

[Robster]

Why is everyone responding to HF. Isn't he just on the wind up ?

[Jesse Pinkman]

Basically, my wife is a s*** cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly f***er.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly f***er" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

 

Oh but it is. If you think Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley are attractive to any manager worth his salt you are incorrect.

 

Harry Redknapp knew.

 

Its not exactly rocket science...

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I fucking love him so there.

[TRon]

Basically, my wife is a shit cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly fucker.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly fucker" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

 

Oh but it is. If you think Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley are attractive to any manager worth his salt you are incorrect.

 

Harry Redknapp knew.

 

Where's Harry Redknapp now? Still down south like he always wanted to be  I'd wager, the senile cockney twat. If Newcastle had been based within 50 miles of his home on the south coast he'd have crawled over broken glass to sign the contract.

[Happy Face]

lone behold.

 

 

Egg corn?

[Mick]

Why is everyone responding to HF. Isn't he just on the wind up ?

 

No, happy face if off his face.

[Jesse Pinkman]

lone behold.

 

 

Egg corn?

 

oh shit 

[colinmk]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I fucking love him so there.

 

I'm with you man. Don't remember many excuses from him either.

[Happy Face]

He also had a worse premier league record than Pardew, couldn't keep the chairman happy and is currently the target of a #hughtonout campaign at Norwich.

 

Not sure it would be a good move.

[quayside]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

[quayside]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

 

Your first sentence is just an opinion and is not based on anything much. We kept a fantastic squad by Championship standards and added to it in the January so I think Hughton was backed.

 

Have had a look, are we talking Owen, Duff, Beye, Bassong, Martins, Viduka leaving- anyone else? At that stage of their careers Owen, Viduka and Beye had little value and (much as I liked them all - at times) good riddance imo. We got good money for Martins and Bassong neither have proven to be worth it. Arguably Duff has actually proved to have some value as he's played Premiership football ever since. I don't think we lost anyone of any significance under Hughton.

 

By the way I understand you like him, he's a decent professional and man. He was treated badly. But I don't think he's as good a manager as Pardew, and that's based on nothing other than it being my opinion.

[Guest Forollhogna]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

[Wullie]

Having come up, we spent less than Blackpool and West Brom who came up with us. He got absolutely nowt yet it's long been fair game to call the bloke worse than shit on here, whilst Pardew, a shit manager who plays excruciatingly dull football and has no respect whatsoever for the club or the supporters, is a sacred cow in many eyes. Absolutely bizarre.

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

 

Your first sentence is just an opinion and is not based on anything much. We kept a fantastic squad by Championship standards and added to it in the January so I think Hughton was backed.

 

Have had a look, are we talking Owen, Duff, Beye, Bassong, Martins, Viduka leaving- anyone else? At that stage of their careers Owen, Viduka and Beye had little value and (much as I liked them all - at times) good riddance imo. We got good money for Martins and Bassong neither have proven to be worth it. Arguably Duff has actually proved to have some value as he's played Premiership football ever since. I don't think we lost anyone of any significance under Hughton.

 

By the way I understand you like him, he's a decent professional and man. He was treated badly. But I don't think he's as good a manager as Pardew, and that's based on nothing other than it being my opinion.

 

They've been banging on about the cost of relegation for years so getting another £200+k off the wage bill and another £15-20million in transfer fees would have delighted them. I don't see how that's an opinion knowing what we know.

 

It's not who we lost, it's how many and how much of the money was reinvested. We're extremely lucky those cheap deals and loans paid off so well or we'd still be down there.

 

Hughton finished 5 places higher than us last year with a far worse team. Not too shabby.