SiLvOR Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Half time being the point I'm not disputing. Did you not watch our lot after that first goal went in? Their desire to do anything at pace just wasn't there. Our closing down and movement off the ball was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I've watched the team sit off after half time plenty, but after 15 minutes? His quotes are pretty damning. I think the team got complacent, wandering about when Huddlestone was in yards of space inside the box, MYM trying to dribble out of defence etc. Pardew's not very good and deserves a lot of stick for the second half's changes but our lot got cocky. We were winning 2-1 at half time when Pardew pulled our midfielders back, the gaps between midfield and the forwards were shocking and all down to him because he's admitted it. I've even said in other posts that he screwed us over in the second half. My point is, we should have been more than 1 goal up by half time and while many are happy to assume that's all down to Pardew, I don't think the definition of keeping it tight is to then go and dick about and play with absolutely no tempo, even when you've got the opportunity to break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We definitely don't play with the same intent once we take the lead. No matter how early on we score, and no matter whether home or away, which is quite frankly hideous. Was a definate change a 1-0. Let them into the game so much, if we're honest we ended up lucky they've not scored 5 due to Graham/Krul & some debatable offside calls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything It's not that he "pushed the negative button", the players have had it drilled into them for three years that when we lead, that's the time to slow down the pace of the game, stop trying so hard to score and hold their positions instead of committing men forward. It's not a case of telling them to do something. That's the way his Newcastle United want to play. It was the same last week man, people kid themselves that he's had some sort of epiphany just because we happened to win a game when in fact last week was exactly what he wants - get a lead, hold it, if they equalise, try again. Can't believe this is still proving difficult to grasp. well i'm sure you know how critical of pardew i've been and am, however at the moment i'm choosing to believe we're in transition - this is not the same team, style or gameplan that we saw last season, not by a fucking mile you said it yourself, they've been doing it one way for 3 years and so far i see that they're trying to do it another way but it won't happen immediately and it won't succeed all the time just to repeat, today was fuck all like the defeats we saw last year imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. The game was won in the first half but we lost it in the 2nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything It's not that he "pushed the negative button", the players have had it drilled into them for three years that when we lead, that's the time to slow down the pace of the game, stop trying so hard to score and hold their positions instead of committing men forward. It's not a case of telling them to do something. That's the way his Newcastle United want to play. It was the same last week man, people kid themselves that he's had some sort of epiphany just because we happened to win a game when in fact last week was exactly what he wants - get a lead, hold it, if they equalise, try again. Can't believe this is still proving difficult to grasp. well i'm sure you know how critical of pardew i've been and am, however at the moment i'm choosing to believe we're in transition - this is not the same team, style or gameplan that we saw last season, not by a fucking mile you said it yourself, they've been doing it one way for 3 years and so far i see that they're trying to do it another way but it won't happen immediately and it won't succeed all the time just to repeat, today was fuck all like the defeats we saw last year imo The only type of Newcastle I'm interested in is one that goes out to give shit like Hull an absolute pasting. Which "way" they do it doesn't matter to me as long as they do. West Brom are supposedly relegation contenders and they've beaten a side 3-0 at home today. We won't do that all season. Absolutely sick to death of watching a team who actively does not want to take a two goal lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything It's not that he "pushed the negative button", the players have had it drilled into them for three years that when we lead, that's the time to slow down the pace of the game, stop trying so hard to score and hold their positions instead of committing men forward. It's not a case of telling them to do something. That's the way his Newcastle United want to play. It was the same last week man, people kid themselves that he's had some sort of epiphany just because we happened to win a game when in fact last week was exactly what he wants - get a lead, hold it, if they equalise, try again. Can't believe this is still proving difficult to grasp. well i'm sure you know how critical of pardew i've been and am, however at the moment i'm choosing to believe we're in transition - this is not the same team, style or gameplan that we saw last season, not by a fucking mile you said it yourself, they've been doing it one way for 3 years and so far i see that they're trying to do it another way but it won't happen immediately and it won't succeed all the time just to repeat, today was fuck all like the defeats we saw last year imo What, going in at the break leading before eventually losing after a shocking second half performance? I beg to differ mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 amazed at the lack of credit going to bruce and hull tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. When did we score against Fulham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. When did we score against Fulham? We played 8 minutes after that. Surely that's when your theory should be at its most prominent? If there's a time to keep it tight, it's when you're protecting a late lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 amazed at the lack of credit going to bruce and hull tbh He got his tactics spot on, especially with Ben Arfa and Debuchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. When did we score against Fulham? In the 86th minute. A time that you'd expect a team attempt to defend a lead. We had at least two good chances after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. It's unbelievably irritating and a recurring theme of a Pardew team that's chasing the game. He should have stamped that out ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 amazed at the lack of credit going to bruce and hull tbh Not that hard to out smart a half-wit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. It's unbelievably irritating and a recurring theme of a Pardew team that's chasing the game. He should have stamped that out ages ago. It's not been too evident so far this season, for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Coincidence that this always happens? It's his instructions man, the players are doing as they're told. Nah, I don't think that happened today, like. There was a casual lethargy to our play, even at 1-1. Too few players thinking that they didn't need to play at their best. We attacked when we had a lead, late on in the game, away at Villa. You don't tell players to just stop caring. Fulham too. Took the lead and then kept on going. When did we score against Fulham? In the 86th minute. A time that you'd expect a team attempt to defend a lead. We had at least two good chances after that. Keep kidding yourself that he's telling the players to attack when we take a tenth minute lead mate. Just don't be surprised when we suffer lots more humiliating defeats like this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 amazed at the lack of credit going to bruce and hull tbh He did well but it was basic. It was effective though so I guess can credit him with that. correct, and our guy had nothing to counter it with, he never does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. It's unbelievably irritating and a recurring theme of a Pardew team that's chasing the game. He should have stamped that out ages ago. It's not been too evident so far this season, for me. Was you there today ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Aye. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 amazed at the lack of credit going to bruce and hull tbh They were good, and contributed to what I thought was a decent match. I've watched too much Pardew football to let him off the hook because the other team looked motivated and organised though. We were at home to Hull, organisation is the least we should expect, whether we've got the ball or they have. We're clueless on the ball, still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. It's unbelievably irritating and a recurring theme of a Pardew team that's chasing the game. He should have stamped that out ages ago. It's not been too evident so far this season, for me. When have we been chasing the game before today? Another embarrassing defeat, another example of the same old people slurping at Pardew's hoop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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