Sunderland

[Guest dabe]

It's all dewm and glewm.

[Benwell Lad]

It's all dewm and glewm.

 

Strangely enough it's actually cheered me up. So much so that I might punch a hoss on my way to the wongadome on Saturday.

I wonder if any of my fellow 55,000 screaming jawdees , or indeed any of the 20,000 on the waiting list are feeling similarly exhilarated by their demise ?

[Deuce]

He'll be in the World Cup squad as long as he's not hurt, doesn't matter how bad he was this season. The only question is if it's him or Johannsson who starts.

 

Based on current form, it's gotta be Johannsson. I don't think Klinsmann will drop Altidore though, he respects the fact that Altidore "challenged" himself by moving to the PL.

[Dokko]

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[Sima]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

[midds]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

[Dokko]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

[Guest]

Starting to think that these lot are kidding themselves if they think that going down will help them. Some of the players they seem to hate the most (Larsson, Gardner, Cuellar, Colback, Bardsley) are leaving at the end of the season whether they stay up or not.

 

Most of the players they seem to be talking about as being 'dead weight' are probably the ones that will have a bit of extra quality in the Championship to come back up (O'shea, Brown, Fletcher, Graham). I doubt Johnson or Giaccherini would stay if they were relegated either.

 

Their two best players are on loan, cut the 'dead weight' and they've got f***ing nowt  Properly up s*** creek if that happens, especially taking into account the latest financial figures.

 

 

 

 

We had assets that would do well at other clubs. (Bassong : Spurs, Owen : Man Utd [i know, I know], Beye : Villa, Martins : Wolfsburg...) and got a fair bit of money for these. Will Sunderland get rid of their main players and still keep a group good enough to go up?

[Dokko]

Starting to think that these lot are kidding themselves if they think that going down will help them. Some of the players they seem to hate the most (Larsson, Gardner, Cuellar, Colback, Bardsley) are leaving at the end of the season whether they stay up or not.

 

Most of the players they seem to be talking about as being 'dead weight' are probably the ones that will have a bit of extra quality in the Championship to come back up (O'shea, Brown, Fletcher, Graham). I doubt Johnson or Giaccherini would stay if they were relegated either.

 

Their two best players are on loan, cut the 'dead weight' and they've got f***ing nowt  Properly up s*** creek if that happens, especially taking into account the latest financial figures.

 

 

 

 

We had assets that would do well at other clubs. (Bassong : Spurs, Owen : Man Utd [i know, I know], Beye : Villa, Martins : Wolfsburg...) and got a fair bit of money for these. Will Sunderland get rid of their main players and still keep a group good enough to go up?

 

We got nowt for Owen.

[midds]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

 

 

sounds very plausible.

[Cajun]

We had Colo, Krul, Enrique, Nolan, Carroll.

 

All would still walk into their squad let alone the Championship. Who have they got realistically that will be of any benefit?

[Guest]

Starting to think that these lot are kidding themselves if they think that going down will help them. Some of the players they seem to hate the most (Larsson, Gardner, Cuellar, Colback, Bardsley) are leaving at the end of the season whether they stay up or not.

 

Most of the players they seem to be talking about as being 'dead weight' are probably the ones that will have a bit of extra quality in the Championship to come back up (O'shea, Brown, Fletcher, Graham). I doubt Johnson or Giaccherini would stay if they were relegated either.

 

Their two best players are on loan, cut the 'dead weight' and they've got f***ing nowt  Properly up s*** creek if that happens, especially taking into account the latest financial figures.

 

 

 

 

We had assets that would do well at other clubs. (Bassong : Spurs, Owen : Man Utd [i know, I know], Beye : Villa, Martins : Wolfsburg...) and got a fair bit of money for these. Will Sunderland get rid of their main players and still keep a group good enough to go up?

 

We got nowt for Owen.

 

£100k off the wage bill though.

[Dokko]

Starting to think that these lot are kidding themselves if they think that going down will help them. Some of the players they seem to hate the most (Larsson, Gardner, Cuellar, Colback, Bardsley) are leaving at the end of the season whether they stay up or not.

 

Most of the players they seem to be talking about as being 'dead weight' are probably the ones that will have a bit of extra quality in the Championship to come back up (O'shea, Brown, Fletcher, Graham). I doubt Johnson or Giaccherini would stay if they were relegated either.

 

Their two best players are on loan, cut the 'dead weight' and they've got f***ing nowt  Properly up s*** creek if that happens, especially taking into account the latest financial figures.

 

 

 

 

We had assets that would do well at other clubs. (Bassong : Spurs, Owen : Man Utd [i know, I know], Beye : Villa, Martins : Wolfsburg...) and got a fair bit of money for these. Will Sunderland get rid of their main players and still keep a group good enough to go up?

 

We got nowt for Owen.

 

£100k off the wage bill though.

 

Then they'll get a 'fair bit of money' for their out of contracts too.

[Guest]

Fuck off.

[Dokko]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

 

 

sounds very plausible.

 

Where it gets them is anyone's guess. I don't see short putting funds in to get them going again. They either live within their means trying to get back up while managing their debt or he sells the club. Not sure who'd want them in that state, I'm sure if he could have sold them by now he'd have done it ages ago. Unless he gives them away for free it'll be done on the cheap.

 

When the come back up they'll come back a stronger outfit for it I'm absolutely sure of it. They won't allow the pisstakers in again, even if that means never showing any ambition of note under short, just surviving in the prem not costing anything. A poorer us.

[Dokko]

Fuck off.

 

[midds]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

 

 

sounds very plausible.

 

Where it gets them is anyone's guess. I don't see short putting funds in to get them going again. They either live within their means trying to get back up while managing their debt or he sells the club. Not sure who'd want them in that state, I'm sure if he could have sold them by now he'd have done it ages ago. Unless he gives them away for free it'll be done on the cheap.

 

When the come back up they'll come back a stronger outfit for it I'm absolutely sure of it. They won't allow the pisstakers in again, even if that means never showing any ambition of note under short, just surviving in the prem not costing anything. A poorer us.

 

Agree with all of that.

 

Can't see too many takers for their better players either. Johnson will fetch a few quid and Fletcher could go for 4 or 5 perhaps? After that Giacherrini will go back to Italy on the cheap - 2 or 3 maybe and I don't think I could think of another player of worth for them. 

[Guest]

Hang on, I got a warning for that?

 

I didn't think I needed a safety wink there.

[Dokko]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

 

 

sounds very plausible.

 

Where it gets them is anyone's guess. I don't see short putting funds in to get them going again. They either live within their means trying to get back up while managing their debt or he sells the club. Not sure who'd want them in that state, I'm sure if he could have sold them by now he'd have done it ages ago. Unless he gives them away for free it'll be done on the cheap.

 

When the come back up they'll come back a stronger outfit for it I'm absolutely sure of it. They won't allow the pisstakers in again, even if that means never showing any ambition of note under short, just surviving in the prem not costing anything. A poorer us.

 

Agree with all of that.

 

Can't see too many takers for their better players either. Johnson will fetch a few quid and Fletcher could go for 4 or 5 perhaps? After that Giacherrini will go back to Italy on the cheap - 2 or 3 maybe and I don't think I could think of another player of worth for them.

 

Said last night I could see Johnson go to west ham, think a few other clubs will take a chance and get more out of him, till he gets bored/gives up/doesn't get England call. Will fetch around £7m.

 

Fletcher will be a little harder to shift but no doubt a promoted club will take a punt probably in the region of £5m. Huge loss like, but his stock through, form, attitude and fitness has hit rock bottom. 3rd relegation as well.

 

Giacherrini will head back to Italy for about half of what they paid. He only came for the money, he can't wait to leave.

 

So really £15m to play with, more than most championship clubs but still doesn't get you much these days unless you hit lucky and from the signings Gus has made I'm not sure if buying players is his strongest point. He basically wasted a huge chunk of money in the winter window bringing in players who weren't ready for the league and relegation battle and with huge question marks over the quality as well. A more experienced manager may have brought in players ready to make a difference rather change too much at once. For me he wasted a big chance to get them moving again along with losing momentum with the hull FA cup game it's been two massive mistakes which have effectively relegated them.

 

I still think he's got great potential, and light years ahead of what they've had in my time (doesn't say much) but his rookie mistakes have cost them, another fuck up on that scale early doors such as another transfer window blunder and Sunderland aren't a premier league club for 5 years. It's that fine Iyam.

[midds]

It's amusing how they think they will hoover up every half-decent player in the Championship

 

Also get the sense that they believe their new raft of players are going to play for free and cost nothing. They're losing loads of players for nothing which is being spun as slashing their wage-bill, which it will obviously but they'll need replacing and this will cost money.

 

They've worked out that the parachute money will tide them over but have chosen to forget they'll need to spend to replace the loanees and out-of-contract players. Another 15 players out and another 15 coming in would be my guess.

 

15 out, probably about 4-5 free loans in couple of free transfers and actually pay for 3-4 probably covered by what they sell Johnson and Fletcher for.

 

 

sounds very plausible.

 

Where it gets them is anyone's guess. I don't see short putting funds in to get them going again. They either live within their means trying to get back up while managing their debt or he sells the club. Not sure who'd want them in that state, I'm sure if he could have sold them by now he'd have done it ages ago. Unless he gives them away for free it'll be done on the cheap.

 

When the come back up they'll come back a stronger outfit for it I'm absolutely sure of it. They won't allow the pisstakers in again, even if that means never showing any ambition of note under short, just surviving in the prem not costing anything. A poorer us.

 

Agree with all of that.

 

Can't see too many takers for their better players either. Johnson will fetch a few quid and Fletcher could go for 4 or 5 perhaps? After that Giacherrini will go back to Italy on the cheap - 2 or 3 maybe and I don't think I could think of another player of worth for them.

 

Said last night I could see Johnson go to west ham, think a few other clubs will take a chance and get more out of him, till he gets bored/gives up/doesn't get England call. Will fetch around £7m.

 

Fletcher will be a little harder to shift but no doubt a promoted club will take a punt probably in the region of £5m. Huge loss like, but his stock through, form, attitude and fitness has hit rock bottom. 3rd relegation as well.

 

Giacherrini will head back to Italy for about half of what they paid. He only came for the money, he can't wait to leave.

 

So really £15m to play with, more than most championship clubs but still doesn't get you much these days unless you hit lucky and from the signings Gus has made I'm not sure if buying players is his strongest point. He basically wasted a huge chunk of money in the winter window bringing in players who weren't ready for the league and relegation battle and with huge question marks over the quality as well. A more experienced manager may have brought in players ready to make a difference rather change too much at once. For me he wasted a big chance to get them moving again along with losing momentum with the hull FA cup game it's been two massive mistakes which have effectively relegated them.

 

Yet again.

[Chris_R]

When we went down we kept many of our decent players. That's why we came back up again, not because of some terrific rebuilding exercise.

 

If (when?) they go down, they'll not be keeping the nucleus of a good squad for all the reasons already mentioned. They'll be pretty much building their team again from scratch. Not saying that's impossible, but it sure as fuck isn't a blessing to be in that situation and have to do it.

[Guest]

We also had a squad which when at their best, was probably a lower mid-table Premier League club (proven when we came back up).

 

These aren't that. They've had 3 managers in the last 18 months and they've been equally bollocks throughout it all. They're a crap Premier League team. If they keep these and come back up, they'll go back down. If they sell them, they have a massive rebuilding job as well. Tough times ahead I reckon.

[Ryan_Taylor]

All of their decent players don't belong to them anyway

[loki679]

A £27m loss - £30m lost TV revenue - £8m loyalty bonuses + £16m parachute payment = 

[Chris_R]

Aren't loyalty bonuses paid over the duration of the contract rather than as a lump sum at the end? Always thought that they were spread out pro-rata over the whole term. Not sure they'll have to stump up £8m all at once.

 

Not that this makes their predicament any less funny. Just slightly more realistic.