2014 FIFA World Cup Brasil™ - Europe vs. America

[Disco]

 

I think saying they sat back is doing them a disservice like, two players aside Brazil beat them all over the field but when they got on the ball because of those two (and the widemen) they looked dangerous.

 

It'd be fantasyland to see Croatia go to Brazil and hog the ball.

 

Not saying hog the ball, but i do think the 3 they played had the ability to express themselves in an attacking sense more than they did.

 

Perhaps but then it's a double edged sword if you expsose the relatively poor defence.

 

Hope they qualify though, they're (based on tonight only) a fun team to watch and I like Olic, he's normally the type of player I hate - a massive try hard whose quality is a bit hit or miss IMO but he seems a good egg and looks a bit like Phil Jones in the facial expression.

[The College Dropout]

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

[Mole_Toonfan]

 

I think saying they sat back is doing them a disservice like, two players aside Brazil beat them all over the field but when they got on the ball because of those two (and the widemen) they looked dangerous.

 

It'd be fantasyland to see Croatia go to Brazil and hog the ball.

 

Not saying hog the ball, but i do think the 3 they played had the ability to express themselves in an attacking sense more than they did.

 

Perhaps but then it's a double edged sword if you expsose the relatively poor defence.

 

Hope they qualify though, they're (based on tonight only) a fun team to watch and I like Olic, he's normally the type of player I hate - a massive try hard whose quality is a bit hit or miss IMO but he seems a good egg and looks a bit like Phil Jones in the facial expression.

 

They will definitely qualify, Mexico and Cameroon are nowhere near their standard although having said that they missed Mandzukic tonight for me will he be back before the group stages are done?

[Pata]

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

[smith1__]

Croatia played without Mario Mandzukic.. With him i expect 6 points againts Mexico and Cameroon.. Iam Croatian and iam very sad.. I hate this japanise c***. This is not the first case we are robbed because we are small country. Two years ago we were robbed in the Euro tournament against Spain. Spain deserved to lose and be eliminated in the group stage. Later they win competition..

[JB]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

But it's a conspiracy!!!1!

[Flip]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

 

Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous.

 

I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous.

 

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

 

The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways.

 

Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game.

 

** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

[Flip]

Croatia played without Mario Mandzukic.. With him i expect 6 points againts Mexico and Cameroon.. Iam Croatian and iam very sad.. I hate this japanise c***. This is not the first case we are robbed because we are small country. Two years ago we were robbed in the Euro tournament against Spain. Spain deserved to lose and be eliminated in the group stage. Later they win competition..

 

I'm pretty sure you'll get those 6 points. Modric and Rakitic are pure and against teams that aren't as good they'll have plenty of space to create. I think Jelavic was a weak point, and Olic was impressive. Those crosses into a Mandzukic and Perisic will be absolutely deadly. Didn't see much of Kovacic though...

[Pata]

Defending Flip here ffs. 

 

[TaylorJ_01]

Altogether a fun start to the tournament.

 

I am ready to accept you into my body, world cup.

[LucaAltieri]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

 

Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous.

 

I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous.

 

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

 

The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways.

 

Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game.

 

** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

 

Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. 

 

And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully.

 

Of course you're showing bias.

[Flip]

Defending Flip here ffs. 

 

 

Not defending me though, you're just watching the incident like most on here did. I think it's only CD that suggests he wasn't conned. Fred dove like a motherfucker Excellent piece of skill that.

[Flip]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

 

Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous.

 

I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous.

 

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

 

The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways.

 

Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game.

 

** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

 

Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. 

 

And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully.

 

Of course you're showing bias.

 

 

I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game.

 

I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan.

[LucaAltieri]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

 

Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous.

 

I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous.

 

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

 

The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways.

 

Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game.

 

** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

 

Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. 

 

And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully.

 

Of course you're showing bias.

 

 

I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game.

 

I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan.

 

He gave it because he bottled it. It was big club syndrome at play again. Doesn't change the fact Croatia were robbed of at least a point.

[Pata]

Defending Flip here ffs. 

 

 

Not defending me though, you're just watching the incident like most on here did. I think it's only CD that suggests he wasn't conned. Fred dove like a motherfucker Excellent piece of skill that.

 

I'm the only one besides you who thought Cesar was fouled and yellow was right for Neymar and even understand why the penalty was given.

[Flip]

Defending Flip here ffs. 

 

 

Not defending me though, you're just watching the incident like most on here did. I think it's only CD that suggests he wasn't conned. Fred dove like a motherfucker Excellent piece of skill that.

 

I'm the only one besides you who thought Cesar was fouled and yellow was right for Neymar and even understand why the penalty was given.

 

Ah didn't know you shared the same opinion. Which probably says it all since you're the most anti-me and Brazil on here.

[Flip]

Lets kill this discussion:

 

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Never a pen, but that hand on the shoulder was what conned the ref, as soon as Fred felt it he threw himself. The ref bottled it obviously but he think he saw something and from his angle he sees and arm and 'sees' a pulling. Never a penalty, but it's not like Lovren is on the other side of the pitch.

 

http://i60.tinypic.com/1zpmd5v.jpg

 

Before Julio Cesar gets the ball, Olic clatters all over him. Foul every day of the week.

 

 

[JB]

He was clearly bribed to foul him.

[Flip]

Football is a contact sport. He's allows to touch Fred. He doesn't infringe on Fred. Doesn't have a firm hold of the shirt, didn't pull him back. Just a horrible decision.

 

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now.

 

 

Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous.

 

I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous.

 

My gut was dive and bottle job / fix. Before a single replay.  He falls like it's a dive ffs.

 

You had a better angle to see it than the ref.

 

The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways.

 

Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game.

 

** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

 

Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. 

 

And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully.

 

Of course you're showing bias.

 

 

I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game.

 

I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan.

 

He gave it because he bottled it. It was big club syndrome at play again. Doesn't change the fact Croatia were robbed of at least a point.

 

It doesn't, and I haven't tried to change that fact either ffs. I've said that they deserved a draw. How slow are you?

[Flip]

He was clearly bribed to foul him.

 

Apparently

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Massive lol to the corruption idea, but it was a huge dive.

[Flip]

Massive lol to the corruption idea, but it was a huge dive.

 

Absolutely, no one is saying it wasn't. Neither me nor pata. It's a dive as clear as day from most angles. But Fred sold it with an arm on his shoulder.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I was talking about Tyldesley and saying that Peter Drury is worse. I just always forget his name. So bad that I complained to ITV in 2010. That. Sad.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Enjoyed the match. So happy that there's a world cup on.

[Disco]

He was clearly bribed to foul him.