Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I'm definitely not one to speak, but that is a f***ing dive in my opinion. He's smart, but there's no way he can't stand on his leg there. Butbutbut...there was "contact" . Aye, I think more should be required to blow a penalty. It's not the same as in the middle of the pitch. There's the slightest of touches and just like Fred he throws himself for it. Referees should require more contact needs to be made for a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Unless there is nothing to possibly stop you going over due to the contact it is a dive. I don't blame Robben, he's doing what anyone would do in that position. I wonder what Unbelievables opinion is, the man who condemned Suarez handball at the World Cup. Going by his arguments back then, there's no way he's happy here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Unless there is nothing to possibly stop you going over due to the contact it is a dive. I don't blame Robben, he's doing what anyone would do in that position. I wonder what Unbelievables opinion is, the man who condemned Suarez handball at the World Cup. Going by his arguments back then, there's no way he's happy here. So wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. I'm getting angry at this ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I thought it was a foul and a penalty but Robben did cheat and should have been booked. Being fouled does not earn you the licence to be a cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Personally think he's tripped him, the only reason there's such conflicted emotions on it IMO is because of the ridiculous threatricals from Robben to exaggerate the contact. But he does trip him IMO, Robben just had to go down normally and fine but nah he acts like he's been sniped instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. It's a contact game not every contact is a foul, he dived at merest of touches. But it's becoming non contact at a rapid rate. Soon football will just tarts flouncing over when breathed on. I fucking hate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Someone standing on your foot doesnt make you fly three foot in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? Shola's gone now, we'd have no-one left to score the penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? Fuck right off with that shit like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Personally think he's tripped him, the only reason there's such conflicted emotions on it IMO is because of the ridiculous threatricals from Robben to exaggerate the contact. But he does trip him IMO, Robben just had to go down normally and fine but nah he acts like he's been sniped instead. If you were sniped you'd just fall down like a sack of potatoes. You'd not throw yourself around like a tart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? In this hypothetical scenario I'd still take the high road and feel any win through cheating would tarnish the glory. That said I'd probably still be celebrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Someone standing on your foot doesnt make you fly three foot in the air. Of course it doesn't but if he didn't dive he wouldn't have got a penalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Someone standing on your foot doesnt make you fly three foot in the air. Of course it doesn't but if he didn't dive he wouldn't have got a penalty Fairly certain in that situation, with the ref having the viewpoint he had, he'd have gotten the pen if he'd fallen like a normal person as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? In this hypothetical scenario I'd still take the high road and feel any win through cheating would tarnish the glory. That said I'd probably still be celebrating. So if you got a penalty which was a foul but he dived to get it, it would tarnish the glory? That just seems mental to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Someone standing on your foot doesnt make you fly three foot in the air. Of course it doesn't but if he didn't dive he wouldn't have got a penalty Fairly certain in that situation, with the ref having the viewpoint he had, he'd have gotten the pen if he'd fallen like a normal person as well. Its not going to look natural no matter what way he dives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? In this hypothetical scenario I'd still take the high road and feel any win through cheating would tarnish the glory. That said I'd probably still be celebrating. So if you got a penalty which was a foul but he dived to get it, it would tarnish the glory? That just seems mental to me My bad, thought you meant a proper dive. Wouldn't be quite the same as if he'd not overdone it to get the pen, though. But on a much, much, smaller scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Happy for Unbelievable tbf, the few Mexicans I know are gits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ah, the old diving debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Ok hypothetical scenario. Newcastle are in a champions league final. We are losing by one goal with 2 minutes left. Ben Arfa gets the ball and runs into the box and one of the defenders stands on his foot preventing him from getting to the ball. Would you prefer if he dived and won a penalty or stayed on his feet and didn't get a penalty? In this hypothetical scenario I'd still take the high road and feel any win through cheating would tarnish the glory. That said I'd probably still be celebrating. So if you got a penalty which was a foul but he dived to get it, it would tarnish the glory? That just seems mental to me My bad, thought you only meant a proper dive. Oh no. I must stress here again that I am only talking about when there is genuinely a foul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Standing on someone's foot stopping them from getting to the ball is a foul in my opinion. Someone standing on your foot doesnt make you fly three foot in the air. Of course it doesn't but if he didn't dive he wouldn't have got a penalty Fairly certain in that situation, with the ref having the viewpoint he had, he'd have gotten the pen if he'd fallen like a normal person as well. Its not going to look natural no matter what way he dives. If you lose your footing and can't stand up, you go down in the directon gravity pulls you. If you actively throw yourself because you felt someone might've touched you that's something else entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Happy for Unbelievable tbf, the few Mexicans I know are gits. I like Unbelievable. I'm content with this result, even if it means my dream of seeing Costa fucking Rica make it to the semis will be dashed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 It's such a horrible term of phrase basically legitimising cheating. 'Robben dived' 'Aye but he deserved a penalty' 'Oh that makes it OK then. 'The Yorkshire Ripper killed a few women' 'Aye but he deserved a good time's ... Its not cheating to dive when you are fouled, its common sense We've been here before . Of course it's cheating. It sucks that refs almost never have the balls to blow unless someone falls over, and that it certainly seems that you sometimes have to dive to get the right decision made, but it's still cheating. This here is the problem, referees don't see it as a foul if you don't fall. Not sure how much there was contact on Robben though regarding this incident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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