Tottenham 0 - 1 Newcastle United - 10/11/13 - Post-match reaction from page 43

[NG32]

I need to see us dominate a lesser team at home.  To convince me we are on the turn. I suppose well find out soonish

[Disco]

Brett, you're inventing an extreme view in order to make your point with a longer polarity. No one but no one thinks that we should be controlling games against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs. I imagine that quite a few (myself included) think that we should be competing more than we are and relying more on our own football, than the toothlessness of whoever we're playing on the day. Some are also saying that the way that we've played in the last few games has worked, but is unsustainable.

 

Again, there's a middle ground that you're ignoring in order to make your point seem more realistic and imply that any suggestion otherwise is the stuff of dreams.

 

I have no complaints in the slightest playing defend and counter against the top 6. You don't expect to take anything off them especially away from home and if you manage to grab bonus points off them through negative tactics even if you take a hammering somewhere along the line, i'm fine with that. The next two games are bigger than what Chelsea/Spurs were, we've come out with massive massive credit in those games but we now need to back it up. Be very interesting to see how people react if Pardew and the players do indeed back up their performances.

 

You're exaggerating. We haven't come out of it with massive credit at all. Chelsea's poor performance was discussed at great length and you'd be hard pushed to find a review of the Spurs match that doesn't have an entire section on Krul. We won both games and that's great, but that doesn't mean that we've automatically played well, or won those games in anything like a sustainable way.

 

I'm not being all sad face about it, because you have to find happiness in the victories otherwise you'd go crazy, but how you can think relying upon toothlessness or an amazing performance from your keeper is a solid and sustainable way to get results is beyond me.

 

We could have got thrashed 4-0 in both games and i wouldn't have been all doom and gloom, just like i'm not saying we are going to be top 6 because we beat both of these. The players do deserve massive credit because of their passion, their commitment, their spirit and togetherness as a team. I mentioned it to Venky how people on here can say Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs weren't at their best or didn't turn up but i think 5 games in a row to say that is naive. Our players stopped them from playing their best, they couldn't play to their peak because we harassed them, we were organised and we showed we are a far cry away from the team of last season who would often roll over and teams 3 points when things got tough. And for that they deserve massive credit in turning themselves around and showing they do care for this club after all the nonsense they got last season about clicks in the camp and unrest.

 

What is this? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about here. You wouldn't have been that bothered if we'd lost all games 4-0? We've turned up for 5 games in a row?

 

I don't or can't understand where you're coming from here. It's the ramblings of a mad man.

 

I mean, if we got thrashed 4-0, i wouldn't be saying 'well we are in for a relegation battle' or 'another s*** season ahead'. I would have taken it on the chin and looked at more reasonable games against Norwich and West Brom. We got 6 points which was excellent but they are bonus points because you expect nothing and chances are you could be on the end of a battering, but we weren't.

 

Was meant to say 4 but i mean people criticise Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs for not turning up against us, but it think that's far too much of coincidence. I think we've made them look average or poor. That’s' credit to us. Gerrard/Suarez, Dzeko/Navas, Torres/Mata, Soldado/Eriksen, there's 8 top players there who hardly did a thing against us for what they are actually capable of doing. Why do we look at these and just say they never turned up when we should be crediting our own players for nullifying their threat to a certain degree where they haven't performed to the best of their ability. We are too quick to play down the opposition rather than build our own team up.

 

You don't help yourself like.

[Lotus]

It would be nice if just once we could put in a consistent performance over 2 halfs. Whenever we play well, we only manage it for 45 minutes.

[BrettNUFC]

I mean, if we got thrashed 4-0, i wouldn't be saying 'well we are in for a relegation battle' or 'another s*** season ahead'. I would have taken it on the chin and looked at more reasonable games against Norwich and West Brom. We got 6 points which was excellent but they are bonus points because you expect nothing and chances are you could be on the end of a battering, but we weren't.

 

Was meant to say 4 but i mean people criticise Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs for not turning up against us, but it think that's far too much of coincidence. I think we've made them look average or poor. That’s' credit to us. Gerrard/Suarez, Dzeko/Navas, Torres/Mata, Soldado/Eriksen, there's 8 top players there who hardly did a thing against us for what they are actually capable of doing. Why do we look at these and just say they never turned up when we should be crediting our own players for nullifying their threat to a certain degree where they haven't performed to the best of their ability. We are too quick to play down the opposition rather than build our own team up.

 

You don't help yourself like.

 

Not quite sure why those three have been bolded?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It would be nice if just once we could put in a consistent performance over 2 halfs. Whenever we play well, we only manage it for 45 minutes.

 

True, unlikely to be away at Spurs though.

[Guest firetotheworks]

We haven't come out of it with massive credit at all. Chelsea's poor performance was discussed at great length and you'd be hard pushed to find a review of the Spurs match that doesn't have an entire section on Krul. We won both games and that's great, but that doesn't mean that we've automatically played well, or won those games in anything like a sustainable way.

 

I'm not being all sad face about it, because you have to find happiness in the victories otherwise you'd go crazy, but how you can think relying upon toothlessness or an amazing performance from your keeper is a solid and sustainable way to get results is beyond me.

 

Properly baffling, this attitude. Spurs we relied a lot on Krul, of course, but Friedel also made some saves. And anyway, a keeper is as valid a part of a victory as any other player. Against Chelsea we made them look ordinary, restricted them and won fairly comfortably. Nobody is saying it makes us brilliant or as good as those two teams even, but I don't understand the rush to play down two absolutely fantastic results in this way.

 

It's not playing them down, it's correcting Brett on this nonsense about people saying that we should be going toe to toe with these teams and dominating them. No one is saying that, but some are saying that the way that we played against Chelsea and Spurs isn't sustainable, whether they were fantastic results or not. Again, no need to change a correction into an 'outlook'

 

 

Not sure what 'sustainable' means really. Yes, this approach won't beat top teams every time, but neither will any other approach we have available to us. We came up with a plan, we got two great wins.

 

 

Well this is where the disagreement is, because I massively disagree with that statement there.

[LRD]

Torres still a top player?

[Foluwashola]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

[Lotus]

It would be nice if just once we could put in a consistent performance over 2 halfs. Whenever we play well, we only manage it for 45 minutes.

 

True, unlikely to be away at Spurs though.

 

They were always going to step it up. We did step back from them though, we were really hungry to close them down 1st half, gave them too much space 2nd half but that was also down to their good playt.

 

I meant just in general though. It's like the spirit of Gilliepie has permeated the whole squad

[BrettNUFC]

Torres still a top player?

 

Ok, take him out put Oscar in if you like, or another 20/30 million player Chelsea have in their ranks.

[Disco]

I mean, if we got thrashed 4-0, i wouldn't be saying 'well we are in for a relegation battle' or 'another s*** season ahead'. I would have taken it on the chin and looked at more reasonable games against Norwich and West Brom. We got 6 points which was excellent but they are bonus points because you expect nothing and chances are you could be on the end of a battering, but we weren't.

 

Was meant to say 4 but i mean people criticise Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs for not turning up against us, but it think that's far too much of coincidence. I think we've made them look average or poor. That’s' credit to us. Gerrard/Suarez, Dzeko/Navas, Torres/Mata, Soldado/Eriksen, there's 8 top players there who hardly did a thing against us for what they are actually capable of doing. Why do we look at these and just say they never turned up when we should be crediting our own players for nullifying their threat to a certain degree where they haven't performed to the best of their ability. We are too quick to play down the opposition rather than build our own team up.

 

You don't help yourself like.

 

Not quite sure why those three have been bolded?

 

If hardly did a thing = goal, assist x 2, goal respectively I'd hate to see what players who put in average performance do.

[Disco]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

I don't think we necessarily rode our luck against Chelsea though, yesterday granted you'd have to be mental to say on another day it could have been a routine home win after that second half.

 

Our main problem yesterday stemmed not only ceding the advantage and withdrawing from a high pressing style but a total lack of depth in squad upfront as when Shola went off the ball started coming back far too quickly because Remy was isolated and we don't have the like for like we should have bought in the summer.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Brett, you're inventing an extreme view in order to make your point with a longer polarity. No one but no one thinks that we should be controlling games against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs. I imagine that quite a few (myself included) think that we should be competing more than we are and relying more on our own football, than the toothlessness of whoever we're playing on the day. Some are also saying that the way that we've played in the last few games has worked, but is unsustainable.

 

Again, there's a middle ground that you're ignoring in order to make your point seem more realistic and imply that any suggestion otherwise is the stuff of dreams.

 

I have no complaints in the slightest playing defend and counter against the top 6. You don't expect to take anything off them especially away from home and if you manage to grab bonus points off them through negative tactics even if you take a hammering somewhere along the line, i'm fine with that. The next two games are bigger than what Chelsea/Spurs were, we've come out with massive massive credit in those games but we now need to back it up. Be very interesting to see how people react if Pardew and the players do indeed back up their performances.

 

You're exaggerating. We haven't come out of it with massive credit at all. Chelsea's poor performance was discussed at great length and you'd be hard pushed to find a review of the Spurs match that doesn't have an entire section on Krul. We won both games and that's great, but that doesn't mean that we've automatically played well, or won those games in anything like a sustainable way.

 

I'm not being all sad face about it, because you have to find happiness in the victories otherwise you'd go crazy, but how you can think relying upon toothlessness or an amazing performance from your keeper is a solid and sustainable way to get results is beyond me.

 

We could have got thrashed 4-0 in both games and i wouldn't have been all doom and gloom, just like i'm not saying we are going to be top 6 because we beat both of these. The players do deserve massive credit because of their passion, their commitment, their spirit and togetherness as a team. I mentioned it to Venky how people on here can say Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs weren't at their best or didn't turn up but i think 5 games in a row to say that is naive. Our players stopped them from playing their best, they couldn't play to their peak because we harassed them, we were organised and we showed we are a far cry away from the team of last season who would often roll over and teams 3 points when things got tough. And for that they deserve massive credit in turning themselves around and showing they do care for this club after all the nonsense they got last season about clicks in the camp and unrest.

 

What is this? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about here. You wouldn't have been that bothered if we'd lost all games 4-0? We've turned up for 5 games in a row?

 

I don't or can't understand where you're coming from here. It's the ramblings of a mad man.

 

I mean, if we got thrashed 4-0, i wouldn't be saying 'well we are in for a relegation battle' or 'another s*** season ahead'. I would have taken it on the chin and looked at more reasonable games against Norwich and West Brom. We got 6 points which was excellent but they are bonus points because you expect nothing and chances are you could be on the end of a battering, but we weren't.

 

Was meant to say 4 but i mean people criticise Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs for not turning up against us, but it think that's far too much of coincidence. I think we've made them look average or poor. That’s' credit to us. Gerrard/Suarez, Dzeko/Navas, Torres/Mata, Soldado/Eriksen, there's 8 top players there who hardly did a thing against us for what they are actually capable of doing. Why do we look at these and just say they never turned up when we should be crediting our own players for nullifying their threat to a certain degree where they haven't performed to the best of their ability. We are too quick to play down the opposition rather than build our own team up.

 

The point being (for me at least) that we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with 'nullifying' opposition players as much as we are and perhaps work more towards a way to let the opposition worry about Remy/HBA/Cabaye. We do it in short spells and it's worked over the last 4 matches, but it's not a permanent. I would agree with you in terms of the Liverpool match, because we started well and then had to hang on a bit with the sending off, but against Chelsea and Spurs we won because of toothlessness and an amazing performance by Krul. That's nothing to credit, it's something to improve upon, despite the excellent results.

[Guest bimpy474]

Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

 

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[Yorkie]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

I don't think we necessarily rode our luck against Chelsea though, yesterday granted you'd have to be mental to say on another day it could have been a routine home win after that second half.

 

Our main problem yesterday stemmed not only ceding the advantage and withdrawing from a high pressing style but a total lack of depth in squad upfront as when Shola went off the ball started coming back far too quickly because Remy was isolated and we don't have the like for like we should have bought in the summer.

 

For the third game in a row, I've no idea why Shola was substituted, tbh. Granted, against Chelsea there we didn't lose anything from the change, but certainly this one and City.

[Disco]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

I don't think we necessarily rode our luck against Chelsea though, yesterday granted you'd have to be mental to say on another day it could have been a routine home win after that second half.

 

Our main problem yesterday stemmed not only ceding the advantage and withdrawing from a high pressing style but a total lack of depth in squad upfront as when Shola went off the ball started coming back far too quickly because Remy was isolated and we don't have the like for like we should have bought in the summer.

 

For the third game in a row, I've no idea why Shola was substituted, tbh. Granted, against Chelsea there we didn't lose anything from the change, but certainly this one and City.

 

I can only assume/think he must have some agreement with Pardew that he can only last 60ish mins before he risks an injury or being unable to play in the next game.

[BrettNUFC]

I mean, if we got thrashed 4-0, i wouldn't be saying 'well we are in for a relegation battle' or 'another s*** season ahead'. I would have taken it on the chin and looked at more reasonable games against Norwich and West Brom. We got 6 points which was excellent but they are bonus points because you expect nothing and chances are you could be on the end of a battering, but we weren't.

 

Was meant to say 4 but i mean people criticise Liverpool/City/Chelsea/Spurs for not turning up against us, but it think that's far too much of coincidence. I think we've made them look average or poor. That’s' credit to us. Gerrard/Suarez, Dzeko/Navas, Torres/Mata, Soldado/Eriksen, there's 8 top players there who hardly did a thing against us for what they are actually capable of doing. Why do we look at these and just say they never turned up when we should be crediting our own players for nullifying their threat to a certain degree where they haven't performed to the best of their ability. We are too quick to play down the opposition rather than build our own team up.

 

You don't help yourself like.

 

Not quite sure why those three have been bolded?

 

If hardly did a thing = goal, assist x 2, goal respectively I'd hate to see what players who put in average performance do.

 

'Hardly did a thing for what they are actually capable of'....Gerrard/Suarez tore Fulham to bits at the weekend and Suarez scored a hatrick prior to playing us, was up agaisnt 10 men agaisnt us for 45 minutes and he got an assist, it was hardly the performance from Suarez that we all know, why was this? Any credit to any of our players for this? Or did he just not really fancy it?

 

I honestly can't remember a single thing Dzeko did in the 90 minutes, just remember him scoring a goal in extra time once his side took the lead.

[TRon]

Constructive criticism can sometimes provide value, perhaps people shouldn't be so sensitive about it.

[Guest firetotheworks]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

It's also unsurprising to see the same people claim that making any point that doesn't correlate with the fact that we won is the same as being negative.

 

I'm chuffed that we won yesterday and there are a lot of positives to take. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to pipe up when people suggest that anyone is pissed off because we're not dominating the likes of Chelsea and Spurs, when the only point that's been made is our set up heavily relied upon the opposition's toothlessness and an amazing performance from Krul. The ends don't always entirely justify the means.

[The College Dropout]

Honestly, I think we are re-building our solid platform. The spine is largely playing well and should remain. I would stick with the 4-4-2. Only contentious point is starting Shola and tbh, I would. We'l have a bunch of options on the bench.

 

In recent weeks we've looked much more solid.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

'Relying on the oppositions toothlessness' is a bit of a strange way of putting it though I think. I mean, obviously if Chelsea et al play to their potential they will beat us, that's just an unavoidable fact. In reality though, they didn't and/or we resisted them.

[BrettNUFC]

It's the same people looking for the negatives or constructive criticism that want Pardew gone. Everyone else is trying to build our team up for making the oppositon look 'toothless'. You still get people who refuse to accept that our players forced very good sides in looking average. However had we have got thrashed, be sure as hell they would be slagging off the players attitudes and Pardew's tactics. Yet because we won agaisnt top sides, something tells them the opposition musn't have been very good if we beat them when that's credit to our players.

[Foluwashola]

There's always going to be a degree of 'relying on the oppositions toothlesness' when we are playing teams from the top 6. Until we get some investment, we are going to get beat off any of these teams if they play on top of their game. Sustainability isn't something we can really expect against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.

 

So we rode our luck at times, this doesn't take away from the fact that we had a clear gameplan in both games and we've come away with two big wins. Unsurprising to see people clinging on to the negativity where possible like.

 

It's also unsurprising to see the same people claim that making any point that doesn't correlate with the fact that we won is the same as being negative.

 

I'm chuffed that we won yesterday and there are a lot of positives to take. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to pipe up when people suggest that anyone is pissed off because we're not dominating the likes of Chelsea and Spurs, when the only point that's been made is our set up heavily relied upon the opposition's toothlessness and an amazing performance from Krul. The ends don't always entirely justify the means.

 

It is incredibly negative though

 

We've just beaten two teams who could be battling it out for the title and you're harping on about it being unsustainable. Of course it's unsustainable. There is no tactic on earth that would lead to us playing a 'sustainable' brand of football against these teams.

[The College Dropout]

We rode our luck against Spurs. But we deservedly won against Chelsea and deserved our point against L'pool. Niether L'pool or Chelsea carved us open and probably had 4 clear-cut chances between them, if that.

 

A good Alan Pardew side is going to be largely cautious, solid and reliant on "moments of magic".

[Lotus]

We rode our luck against Spurs. But we deservedly won against Chelsea and deserved our point against L'pool. Niether L'pool or Chelsea carved us open and probably had 4 clear-cut chances between them, if that.

 

A good Alan Pardew side is going to be largely cautious, solid and reliant on "moments of magic".

 

Actually agree with this.

 

Not really sure where people get this notion of us 'building' on these type of performances though. 7 points of Pool, Chelsea and Spurs is fantastic and Pardew will see noe reason to stylistically change our approach on the back of that. We will struggle against sides who play it tight but that's what you get with Pardew. If things are going well, we'll out battle the better sides and hopefully get a goal and a result as space opens up as they try to play around us but we won't be the type of team who can break down teams with clever movement and passing.