Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Giving a non-categorical opinion on something you have limited knowledge of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. Maybe a shit manager has made a shit decision, have you not thought that is a possibility? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. I don't know everything that happens within North Korea therefore I'm not going to disagree with anything that Kim Jong-un does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. Like a clowns fuck you aren't defending Pardew, jesus you bullshit nearly as much as him. You need to learn to read more carefully. Mick: of course it's a possibility. Did you see me ruling it out at any point? More likely it's quite a complicated judgement call, even if he has called it wrong. With reference to the last page or so of discussion about the forum, I'm going to leave it here, with Bimpy and LV hurling poo at dissenters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 If trollemache is a pure WUM, why are so many people in a hurry to engage him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Giving a non-categorical opinion on something you have limited knowledge of I have plenty of knowledge about football having followed the sport all my life. It doesn't take a genius to realise that HBA should be playing and Gosling shouldn't be at the club. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I think a simple 'LOL' should be the stock response to anything Trollemache says from now on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. Like a clowns f*** you aren't defending Pardew, jesus you bullshit nearly as much as him. You need to learn to read more carefully. Mick: of course it's a possibility. Did you see me ruling it out at any point? More likely it's quite a complicated judgement call, even if he has called it wrong. With reference to the last page or so of discussion about the forum, I'm going to leave it here, with Bimpy and LV hurling poo at dissenters. I have hurled no poo. I've been perfectly civil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 If trollemache is a pure WUM, why are so many people in a hurry to engage him? I don't think he's a WUM, i think he's a blind idiot who knows fuck all about football (in this case). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. Genuinely believes he's being uniquely cognitive and profound by going against the grain and defending this absolute fucking knacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Giving a non-categorical opinion on something you have limited knowledge of I have plenty of knowledge about football having followed the sport all my life. It doesn't take a genius to realise that HBA should be playing and Gosling shouldn't be at the club. Simple as that. If you really think it's as simple as that, your life of football watching counts for very little. Football is not Pro Evo. Here again I'm going to emphasise for all of your benefit that I'm not necessarily defending Pardew's selection of Dan Gosling, even though the last 2 emphases don't seem to have stuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Pardew is killing football for me and I'll not apologise for shouting down his supporters who help keep him here by supporting him. Yeah, but surely there's a better way of going about disagreeing than you routinely see in this thread? The general way in which a forum works mean you'll get differing opinions and if you've come here for debate then that's something you should relish rather than resist, it would be rubbish if everyone just agreed. I don't agree with Ian that often but he carries himself in a decent manner and doesn't go on like a total arsehole to people yet he gets some shocking - and unfunny- treatment back. It's unnecessary. You go through the last hundred pages of this thread and there'll be tonnes of posts that are just ridicule or insults. If you've got nothing good to say, don't say anything at all, it's not like it's hard to ignore someone if they're irritating you. The majority of people on here - I assume - are blokes in their 20s and above, you'd like to think people would be a little more mature and wouldn't use the club's situation as some sort of cover to carry on in a daft fashion. This is the third Pardew thread, the other two got retired after reaching 1000 posts I think. Most of the serious debates were probably done to death in the first one, now mostly it's just people shooting the breeze or having a chuckle over his latest mumblings and stumblings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'm saying I don't know because I'm not privy to everything that happens at the club. On the surface, leaving Ben Arfa out of your team in order to play Dan Gosling is obviously a poor move. I'm thinking the reality is probably a bit more complicated, or Pardew would not have done it. Here again, for the benefit of the forum, I'm going to emphasise that I am not defending Pardew's management of Ben Arfa. Like a clowns fuck you aren't defending Pardew, jesus you bullshit nearly as much as him. You need to learn to read more carefully. Mick: of course it's a possibility. Did you see me ruling it out at any point? More likely it's quite a complicated judgement call, even if he has called it wrong. With reference to the last page or so of discussion about the forum, I'm going to leave it here, with Bimpy and LV hurling poo at dissenters. I'm hurling poo at you for talking shite like. Simple really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Anyone still idiotic enough to defend Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Anyone still idiotic enough to defend Pardew? Yes, still a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Giving a non-categorical opinion on something you have limited knowledge of I have plenty of knowledge about football having followed the sport all my life. It doesn't take a genius to realise that HBA should be playing and Gosling shouldn't be at the club. Simple as that. If you really think it's as simple as that, your life of football watching counts for very little. Football is not Pro Evo. Here again I'm going to emphasise for all of your benefit that I'm not necessarily defending Pardew's selection of Dan Gosling, even though the last 2 emphases don't seem to have stuck. It really is though at base level. Right. Can I have a quote from you please, to put in my signature, saying that when it comes to team selection, football is just like Pro Evo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Giving a non-categorical opinion on something you have limited knowledge of I have plenty of knowledge about football having followed the sport all my life. It doesn't take a genius to realise that HBA should be playing and Gosling shouldn't be at the club. Simple as that. If you really think it's as simple as that, your life of football watching counts for very little. Football is not Pro Evo. Here again I'm going to emphasise for all of your benefit that I'm not necessarily defending Pardew's selection of Dan Gosling, even though the last 2 emphases don't seem to have stuck. It really is though at base level. Right. Can I have a quote from you please, to put in my signature, saying that when it comes to team selection, football is just like Pro Evo? LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ok we'll have to disagree on that. Would you have dropped Torres or Shevchenko when they were out of sorts at Chelsea? Both amazing players. Luque at Newcastle? Incredibly talented player. Savicevic frequently found himself dropped for a functional midfielder at Milan. When good players are off form, unhappy or short of confidence they become ineffective. When average players are having a good spell, they become good. Again, for the benefit of the forum yadda yadda yadda. Now watch some nugget berate me for defending Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ok we'll have to disagree on that. Would you have dropped Torres or Shevchenko when they were out of sorts at Chelsea? Both amazing players. Luque at Newcastle? Incredibly talented player. Savicevic frequently found himself dropped for a functional midfielder at Milan. When good players are off form, unhappy or short of confidence they become ineffective. When average players are having a good spell, they become good. Again, for the benefit of the forum yadda yadda yadda. Now watch some nugget berate me for defending Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This thread man. :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well there we are. It's taken about a page to go from people complaining about the childish shouting down on the forum to that. Bravo chaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ok we'll have to disagree on that. Would you have dropped Torres or Shevchenko when they were out of sorts at Chelsea? Both amazing players. Luque at Newcastle? Incredibly talented player. Savicevic frequently found himself dropped for a functional midfielder at Milan. When good players are off form, unhappy or short of confidence they become ineffective. When average players are having a good spell, they become good. Again, for the benefit of the forum yadda yadda yadda. Now watch some nugget berate me for defending Pardew Being dropped for Albertini or Gosling?...I wonder... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ok we'll have to disagree on that. Would you have dropped Torres or Shevchenko when they were out of sorts at Chelsea? Both amazing players. Luque at Newcastle? Incredibly talented player. Savicevic frequently found himself dropped for a functional midfielder at Milan. When good players are off form, unhappy or short of confidence they become ineffective. When average players are having a good spell, they become good. Again, for the benefit of the forum yadda yadda yadda. Now watch some nugget berate me for defending Pardew Gouffran was far far worse than Ben Arfa and has been for the last 3 games. Ben Arfa won us the game against Palace with his cross. After 45 minutes of terrible football with Ben Arfa being no worse than anyone else, although Gouffran was imo was much worse than him. Tell me why is it Ben Arfa is again dropped. You know why, you know full well it's because Pardew has a excuse in Ben Arfa rather than fact the up to the facts that it was his tactics, and his own shitness are the reason we're so bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well there we are. It's taken about a page to go from people complaining about the childish shouting down on the forum to that. Bravo chaps. Oh do shut up you massive tart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well there we are. It's taken about a page to go from people complaining about the childish shouting down on the forum to that. Bravo chaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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