madras Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I just don't want to talk about NUFC anymore and haven't for a while now. It's morbidly depressing. Wot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Laudrup's interview before the game spoke volumes. Asked about Europe and injuries he just shrugged and said all teams have to cope with injuries and they were really enjoying being in Europe. That attitude plus their far superior football in general justified the 3-0 on both counts. Final scoreline and Laudrup's 3-0 win ratio over Pardew. You're wrong, and HF will show you just how wrong later with a carefully compiled pie chart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I just don't want to talk about NUFC anymore and haven't for a while now. It's morbidly depressing. Wot. Has to listen to your banter on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 So many knee-jerk reactions to one bad day at the office. Everyone was happy during the 4 game win streak. Cry you're cyber tears. Me? Off to bang my GF and look forward to MAN U. I'm in tears here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bit of a strange one, tonight. I didn't think his initial 'hit 'em on the break' approach was wrong, but the execution was terrible. Strikers weren't picking up the extra midfielder and our central players seemed a yard off the pace, literally letting people run past them. He shouldn't have changed the whole shape of the team, we seem to be horrifically leaky with a midfield 3. Changed too much, way too irresponsible in the second and I thought some of the players' commitment and work rate was poor, a tad complacent, perhaps. Bad all-round, we'll just have to pick ourselves up for the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season. The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down. Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too. The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as fuck. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often fucking dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bit of a strange one, tonight. I didn't think his initial 'hit 'em on the break' approach was wrong, but the execution was terrible. Strikers weren't picking up the extra midfielder and our central players seemed a yard off the pace, literally letting people run past them. He shouldn't have changed the whole shape of the team, we seem to be horrifically leaky with a midfield 3. Changed too much, way too irresponsible in the second and I thought some of the players' commitment and work rate was poor, a tad complacent, perhaps. Bad all-round, we'll just have to pick ourselves up for the weekend. Must have been Ben Arfa and Cisse's fault as they clearly don't work hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 So many knee-jerk reactions to one bad day at the office. Everyone was happy during the 4 game win streak. Cry you're cyber tears. Me? Off to bang my GF and look forward to MAN U. You're really fucking good at this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative. Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? I can remember us tanking West Ham 5-0, Wolves 4-1, Man United 3-0 and that's about it. Last clear win - 3-0 in The Europa League last season v Bordeaux? Pardew is so well suited to old-style Italian football, except his teams can't defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves. We play well in halves but never for the full game while we do play badly for the full game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative. Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves. I don't think there's anywhere near enough enjoyable football considering the players we have and some of the opposition in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative. Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves. Every time we play well and show signs of dominating the opposition, I know that there's an unnecessary level of cagey nothing-ball just around the corner. Sort of takes the fun out of it, I know what he means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. We got pissed on in all aspects today by a team with no strikers but a far superior football ethos. Yet we still think that buying more strikers will solve all problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 1st game in months. Nothing seemed to have changed... Credit to Pardew this safety first approach might keep us in the league for years to come but i can barely watch us atm. We are boring as f***. Like watching a turtle in a tank.... I appreciated this post in the match thread: Can't understand how some people can be happy with the football we play overall, as long as we "grind" the results out. For me football is supposed to be beautiful and enjoyable! Some, sometimes we manage 30-40 minutes here and there. The rest is often f***ing dross and disjointed and clueless. I don't believe anyone demands it for 90mins in every match against every opponent, but there's just so little to enjoy about our football IMO. Even when we do find form the manager draws it back. I think that second one's a bit harsh, we've played some pretty nice stuff, this season. Nothing amazing but some enjoyable spells and good movement. That's the point though, we're clearly capable of it. Even the manager's capable of it. We're so needlessly negative. Aye, but it's a bit OTT to say 'there's just so little to enjoy', isn't it? We're playing just as well as we are nervily, considering we seemingly perform in halves. Every time we play well and show signs of dominating the opposition, I know that there's an unnecessary level of cagey nothing-ball just around the corner. Sort of takes the fun out of it, I know what he means. Fair enough, I'd be lying if I said I didn't worry a bit about what'll happen after half-time etc. I have quite enjoyed spells of this season though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew? 15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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