Dan Gleebals Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not a bad read that although it just confirms what a fucking mess we are in. The stand against Ashley really needs to start NOW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Same idiot who claimed not 3 years back that we might get relegated due to replacing our best player (Kevin Nolan) with Yohan Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Interesting read on tuchel, managers can compete with restricted budgets http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/19/thomas-tuchel-mainz-bundesliga-competitive-streak?CMP=twt_gu If you base it on pure numbers, people would argue Pardew is doing a great job. We've made a profit since getting promoted even before we sold Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 "There are people within the Football Association who think he has potential to be England manager one day.." :laugh: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Samuel is typical of the metropolitan media who represent everything that is wrong with the English game ; self-opinionated, over-hyped by the rest of the lousy London-based media, knows nothing about us and cares even less - as far as he is concerned, the PL begins in London and ends in Manchester with Liverpool as a sideline. He is an overpaid, under-talented shyster and sums up just what I said about the national media being happy to see us run into the ground...they have never forgiven KK and SJH for dragging us into the national spotlight and displacing clubs like Arsenal and Spurs in the 90s...they consider NUFC to be a club followed by ignorant and upstart Northerners who should be happy just to be in the PL - occasionally. He, and the likes of Barclay and Talksh--e can get stuffed. They are tat personified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 "There are people within the Football Association who think he has potential to be England manager one day.." :laugh: Seriously, knowing what we do about the FA and seeing the things that go on there(Faria Alam anyone..!??), are you surprised that some of these clowns see Pardew as England manager..?? Remember, these are the descendants of the cretins that preferred Ron Greenwood to Brian Clough as England manager..!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Samuel is typical of the metropolitan media who represent everything that is wrong with the English game ; self-opinionated, over-hyped by the rest of the lousy London-based media, knows nothing about us and cares even less - as far as he is concerned, the PL begins in London and ends in Manchester with Liverpool as a sideline. He is an overpaid, under-talented shyster and sums up just what I said about the national media being happy to see us run into the ground...they have never forgiven KK and SJH for dragging us into the national spotlight and displacing clubs like Arsenal and Spurs in the 90s...they consider NUFC to be a club followed by ignorant and upstart Northerners who should be happy just to be in the PL - occasionally. He, and the likes of Barclay and Talksh--e can get stuffed. They are tat personified. Samuel is the same fat pig who tore a strip off us when we sacked Allardyce. Now he's managing Samuel's beloved Hammers. Delicious irony. He's probably talking up Pardew hoping he doesn't get sacked and end up as West Ham's manager. Once bitten twice shy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Happy Face now denying being one of Pardew's staunchest defenders. Fuck me. I've defended him against daft, unfair criticisms. Like I said though, you won't find any posts where I praise the fucker. You advocated going into the most recent derby, and the one before that, and the one before that with him at the helm because you said he didn't deserve to be sacked. Then you moan when Alan Pardew gets pissed on by them again when anybody with a single ounce of footballing sense knows that is what Alan Pardew does. You'll be back waving his flag next time your stats say you should. Advocating and flying the flag? So quote me. When people have said he's playing hoofball I've pulled them up on the basis we were moving away from hoofball. When people have suggested Ben Arfa should be forgiven by Pardew for any lazy, lacklustre, greedy, ineffective, dangerous performance I've argued against that because it seems to me Pardew has got more end product from that particular player than he's produced for previous managers. I've always been happy to see Pardew replaced by a better manager if Ashley can reverse the trend he's made with making a mistake in every managerial (and backroom and boardroom) appointment he's made. I have little faith in him being able to do that though, so as long as Pardew is winning manager of the month and dragging his team to about the peak of the clubs ambition I'm willing to live with him. Obviously the task of finding a popular replacement becomes easier for Ashley whenever Pardew goes on a downward spiral of defeats that rival the worst runs in the history of the club and we hit proper relegation form. Like he did last christmas as well. Sacking someone like Keegan just as everyone is feeling positive brings the whole club down. Pardew's in no way comparable to Keegan, but there's a similar protocol to follow, whatever the ability of the manager. You sack him when he's bringing everything crashing down so the new man walks into a club where everyone is happy to see him and he has the best possible chance. You don't sack him while we're 5th and half the fans are nonplussed that you've brought in the likes of Gerry Francis as if he could do a better job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Samuel is typical of the metropolitan media who represent everything that is wrong with the English game ; self-opinionated, over-hyped by the rest of the lousy London-based media, knows nothing about us and cares even less - as far as he is concerned, the PL begins in London and ends in Manchester with Liverpool as a sideline. He is an overpaid, under-talented shyster and sums up just what I said about the national media being happy to see us run into the ground...they have never forgiven KK and SJH for dragging us into the national spotlight and displacing clubs like Arsenal and Spurs in the 90s...they consider NUFC to be a club followed by ignorant and upstart Northerners who should be happy just to be in the PL - occasionally. He, and the likes of Barclay and Talksh--e can get stuffed. They are tat personified. Can't agree with you there. Samuel is a good journalist - he does write some rubbish (show me a journalist who doesn't) and can seek to be controversial for the sake of it, but some of his writing is very good. Especially on Financial Fair Play for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Happy Face now denying being one of Pardew's staunchest defenders. Fuck me. I've defended him against daft, unfair criticisms. Like I said though, you won't find any posts where I praise the fucker. You advocated going into the most recent derby, and the one before that, and the one before that with him at the helm because you said he didn't deserve to be sacked. Then you moan when Alan Pardew gets pissed on by them again when anybody with a single ounce of footballing sense knows that is what Alan Pardew does. You'll be back waving his flag next time your stats say you should. Advocating and flying the flag? So quote me. When people have said he's playing hoofball I've pulled them up on the basis we were moving away from hoofball. When people have suggested Ben Arfa should be forgiven by Pardew for any lazy, lacklustre, greedy, ineffective, dangerous performance I've argued against that because it seems to me Pardew has got more end product from that particular player than he's produced for previous managers. I've always been happy to see Pardew replaced by a better manager if Ashley can reverse the trend he's made with making a mistake in every managerial (and backroom and boardroom) appointment he's made. I have little faith in him being able to do that though, so as long as Pardew is winning manager of the month and dragging his team to about the peak of the clubs ambition I'm willing to live with him. Obviously the task of finding a popular replacement becomes easier for Ashley whenever Pardew goes on a downward spiral of defeats that rival the worst runs in the history of the club and we hit proper relegation form. Like he did last christmas as well. Sacking someone like Keegan just as everyone is feeling positive brings the whole club down. Pardew's in no way comparable to Keegan, but there's a similar protocol to follow, whatever the ability of the manager. You sack him when he's bringing everything crashing down so the new man walks into a club where everyone is happy to see him and he has the best possible chance. You don't sack him while we're 5th and half the fans are nonplussed that you've brought in the likes of Gerry Francis as if he could do a better job. Quote you on what, the endless hours you've spent arguing against people who said he was doing a shit job and wasn't good enough to manage Newcastle? You seem to make decisions based entirely on statistical analysis of certain runs of form. My stance is and always has been that he's not good enough for Newcastle and that any good run of form will always eventually end very badly on the basis that he's Alan Pardew. You turn on a sixpence based on how many shots on target we have in a particular match. If the stats are good before the next derby, you'll be all for him being in charge for it, you'll not want him sacked because of current form then you'll be surprised when Poyet has him bleaching his arsehole for him live on Sky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 You seem to make decisions based entirely on statistical analysis of certain runs of form. My stance is and always has been that he's not good enough for Newcastle and that any good run of form will always eventually end very badly on the basis that he's Alan Pardew. This is kind of hard to argue with without being accused of turning on a sixpence or avoiding the issue or all the other things you pull out though, TBF. If your position is 'he's Alan Pardew', then nobody stands a chance of discussing it. It's a fine opinion, but it's not like anyone could feasibly use it as the basis for proper debate. Their opinion might just be different, so we're stuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not really, I didn't want Chris Hughton either but over the course of a season and a half, he turned me right round. Over three years, Pardew has made me detest him more than anyone in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. Why would I care whether he's good enough for Ashley? He's not good enough for a club of this stature so he'll get called for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. I'm not saying I can't see the logic in this viewpoint, but it's so disappointing that these are your parameters. It's just the situation isn't it? It's not a question about anyone's parameters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not about the statistics anymore. Or results. Or our league position. Regardless of where we are, or where we're headed, his management style is appalling. He's defensive, negative and tactically all over the place. Some games are lost by the time the teamsheet comes out, others are lost in the first 10 minutes in the way we set up and others are lost when we rest on our laurels and try to cling on for dear life to 'soak up' pressure. He's scared of seeing teams off and treats every other PL team like they're Barcelona. He also comes across as a cock in the media and will happily lie down and take whatever s*** Mike Ashley feeds him, before telling us that we should all be grateful for where we are and what we have. Add in his treatment of cup competitions and you don't exactly have a winning formula. It's not about expecting Newcastle to be higher, nor is it about some sort of bias against Pardew. It's about a poor manager who couldn't care less about the fans. I've no doubt that if there were someone like Chris Hughton in charge, people wouldn't be complaining about where we are because at least you'd have a manager with a bit of integrity, wanting the team to do its best and become one of the best again. Although I didn't give him the credit at the time, Hughton restored a lot of pride in the club and made you proud to be associated with NUFC and want to keep going back every week, even in the Championship. He made the players feel like they were at one of the biggest clubs in England whilst Pardew makes you feel like you should be lucky to lick Emile Heskey's boots every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. Why would I care whether he's good enough for Ashley? He's not good enough for a club of this stature so he'll get called for it. Because he's the man who will employ the next manager and he's been delighted with Pardew, he views him as the best appointment he's made, hence the 8 year deal. He's going to give the job to someone who he hopes can match Pardew's last 3 years, not surpass them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 No. Oh, OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not about the statistics anymore. Or results. Or our league position. Regardless of where we are, or where we're headed, his management style is appalling. He's defensive, negative and tactically all over the place. Some games are lost by the time the teamsheet comes out, others are lost in the first 10 minutes in the way we set up and others are lost when we rest on our laurels and try to cling on for dear life to 'soak up' pressure. He's scared of seeing teams off and treats every other PL team like they're Barcelona. He also comes across as a cock in the media and will happily lie down and take whatever s*** Mike Ashley feeds him, before telling us that we should all be grateful for where we are and what we have. Add in his treatment of cup competitions and you don't exactly have a winning formula. It's not about expecting Newcastle to be higher, nor is it about some sort of bias against Pardew. It's about a poor manager who couldn't care less about the fans. I've no doubt that if there were someone like Chris Hughton in charge, people wouldn't be complaining about where we are because at least you'd have a manager with a bit of integrity, wanting the team to do its best and become one of the best again. Although I didn't give him the credit at the time, Hughton restored a lot of pride in the club and made you proud to be associated with NUFC and want to keep going back every week, even in the Championship. He made the players feel like they were at one of the biggest clubs in England whilst Pardew makes you feel like you should be lucky to lick Emile Heskey's boots every week. Norwich fans have had a Hughton Out campaign running most of the season. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23hughtonout&src=typd NORWICH! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not about the statistics anymore. Or results. Or our league position. Regardless of where we are, or where we're headed, his management style is appalling. He's defensive, negative and tactically all over the place. Some games are lost by the time the teamsheet comes out, others are lost in the first 10 minutes in the way we set up and others are lost when we rest on our laurels and try to cling on for dear life to 'soak up' pressure. He's scared of seeing teams off and treats every other PL team like they're Barcelona. He also comes across as a cock in the media and will happily lie down and take whatever s*** Mike Ashley feeds him, before telling us that we should all be grateful for where we are and what we have. Add in his treatment of cup competitions and you don't exactly have a winning formula. It's not about expecting Newcastle to be higher, nor is it about some sort of bias against Pardew. It's about a poor manager who couldn't care less about the fans. I've no doubt that if there were someone like Chris Hughton in charge, people wouldn't be complaining about where we are because at least you'd have a manager with a bit of integrity, wanting the team to do its best and become one of the best again. Although I didn't give him the credit at the time, Hughton restored a lot of pride in the club and made you proud to be associated with NUFC and want to keep going back every week, even in the Championship. He made the players feel like they were at one of the biggest clubs in England whilst Pardew makes you feel like you should be lucky to lick Emile Heskey's boots every week. I broadly agree with this assessment of Pardew's style TBH, he is overly negative for sure. Just not so sure about the personal stuff. But how would Hughton (or a new manager) demonstrate his integrity? Just you know he has it? Because presumably he would have to operate under Ashley as well and say almost the same things in the media. I wouldn't have to say "this win is for Mike" etc, but he would have to respond positively to questions about his relationship with the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Hughton did it for nearly 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not about the statistics anymore. Or results. Or our league position. Regardless of where we are, or where we're headed, his management style is appalling. He's defensive, negative and tactically all over the place. Some games are lost by the time the teamsheet comes out, others are lost in the first 10 minutes in the way we set up and others are lost when we rest on our laurels and try to cling on for dear life to 'soak up' pressure. He's scared of seeing teams off and treats every other PL team like they're Barcelona. He also comes across as a cock in the media and will happily lie down and take whatever s*** Mike Ashley feeds him, before telling us that we should all be grateful for where we are and what we have. Add in his treatment of cup competitions and you don't exactly have a winning formula. It's not about expecting Newcastle to be higher, nor is it about some sort of bias against Pardew. It's about a poor manager who couldn't care less about the fans. I've no doubt that if there were someone like Chris Hughton in charge, people wouldn't be complaining about where we are because at least you'd have a manager with a bit of integrity, wanting the team to do its best and become one of the best again. Although I didn't give him the credit at the time, Hughton restored a lot of pride in the club and made you proud to be associated with NUFC and want to keep going back every week, even in the Championship. He made the players feel like they were at one of the biggest clubs in England whilst Pardew makes you feel like you should be lucky to lick Emile Heskey's boots every week. Norwich fans have had a Hughton Out campaign running most of the season. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23hughtonout&src=typd NORWICH! And? That doesn't negate what he did with us at all. I'm not saying I'd have him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. I'm not saying I can't see the logic in this viewpoint, but it's so disappointing that these are your parameters. It's just the situation isn't it? It's not a question about anyone's parameters. You really would have made a fine Middle Ages peasant. The French Revolution might never have happened with people like you around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. I'm not saying I can't see the logic in this viewpoint, but it's so disappointing that these are your parameters. It's just the situation isn't it? It's not a question about anyone's parameters. You really would have made a fine Middle Ages peasant. The French Revolution might never have happened with people like you around. Thing your metaphor is a bit flawed there. I'm not saying if you want take action against the situation at the club you shouldn't do it. Knock yourself out. I'm saying that it's a fact that Ashley will have to take a decision about the next manager, as Happy Face said. People really need to learn the difference between specific points and catch-all defences of everything in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I never thought Pardew was good enough for Newcastle from the day he signed and that's never changed. You're ignoring the details of my viewpoint to paint broad brush strokes. Unfortunately it's not a question of him being good enough for Newcastle, but rather whether he's good enough for Ashley. Just keep shouting "stats" as if that weakens my position though. Why would I care whether he's good enough for Ashley? He's not good enough for a club of this stature so he'll get called for it. Because he's the man who will employ the next manager and he's been delighted with Pardew, he views him as the best appointment he's made, hence the 8 year deal. He's going to give the job to someone who he hopes can match Pardew's last 3 years, not surpass them. Yeah I get why Ashley's delighted to employ a lickspittle, but I'm a fan so I don't have to agree with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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