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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't.  We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?.  Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem.  Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't.  We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?.  Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem.  Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo.

He still has a squad filled with internationals and has us no fucking idea how he wants t oplay. Put Laudrup in charge of this squad and we'd be significantly better.

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So you're happy for the mackems to take an easy six points every year and regularly go on runs of form (such as the current home one) that rival the worst in the entire history of the club because Ashley's a cunt?

 

And the manager takes absolutely no responsibility for it at all and you're giving him an indefinite free pass for results to get worse?

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't.  We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?.  Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem.  Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo.

 

Our form is W1, D1, L7. We're not in the relegation fight this year, but we will be next year.

 

I hope you don't believe the second clause of that last sentence. We might actually play attractive football for a start. If that matters to you.

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Your presuming we'd get a Laudrup in, we're more likely to get Dennis Wise, Joe Kinnear, Trevor Francis, any other washed up managers we can think of?

 

I also think the form will turn round, starting at the weekend.  He was given a target of top 10 in the summer by the board and we're still on course for that.  They won't sack him as he's hitting all targets with nowt being spent.

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I hope we sign precisely zero players on the basis of their WC performances. It's the absolute worst way to do things. Asamoah Gyan springs to mind... cost a fortune because he scored two penalties (and fucking missed one) in a side that did OK.

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Your presuming we'd get a Laudrup in, we're more likely to get Dennis Wise, Joe Kinnear, Trevor Francis, any other washed up managers we can think of?

 

I also think the form will turn round, starting at the weekend.  He was given a target of top 10 in the summer by the board and we're still on course for that.  They won't sack him as he's hitting all targets with nowt being spent.

 

Alright.

 

Well, I hope you continue to enjoy supporting Newcastle.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No Summer spending

Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them

Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him.

 

That's 2013/14.

 

Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with...

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Tbf that's pretty much all we have the data to say about him - that he's not necessarily terrible. He's about as good as a huge number of other unremarkable managers, not as bad as the really awful ones and not as good as the really good ones.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No Summer spending

Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them

Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him.

 

That's 2013/14.

 

Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with...

 

That "without the slightest intention" is pure speculation, and I don't think JFK had THAT much control.

 

Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't.

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That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager.  It would be another 2nd rate appointment.

 

I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse.  Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse.  Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then.

 

How?

 

No spending in the summer

Actually asset stripping the club

Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew

Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though)

 

There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy.

 

No Summer spending

Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them

Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him.

 

That's 2013/14.

 

Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with...

 

That "without the slightest intention" is pure speculation, and I don't think JFK had THAT much control.

 

Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't.

 

Why?

 

Why wasn't it a worry last summer?

 

Why was Anita, a player Pardew would NEVER choose had he any say in it, as a sole summer signing the year before not bring any cause for worry?

 

Signing no one or no one useful to the manager the past 2 summers hasn't been a problem for you but if it happens a 3rd time it might?

 

Don't fret, i reckon you'll find a way to justify it.

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Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't.

 

Me too, we would be critically under strength in a way we haven't been recently. Not that I buy that every decent player is on the way out, but even if we just fail to get Remy we need fairly significant reinforcements.

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