NUFC_Chris Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 PARDEW OUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 PARDEW OUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Make the negativity worse by sacking him?! It'll be like a black cloud lifting from the entire city when he fucks off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Carr better be on transfer duty then - otherwise we have our ready made excuse for the summer 'Couldn't get anyone over the line due to the World Cup' (of course that will be used regardless because every player in the world is playing in Brazil this summer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't. We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?. Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem. Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't. We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?. Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem. Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo. He still has a squad filled with internationals and has us no fucking idea how he wants t oplay. Put Laudrup in charge of this squad and we'd be significantly better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 So you're happy for the mackems to take an easy six points every year and regularly go on runs of form (such as the current home one) that rival the worst in the entire history of the club because Ashley's a cunt? And the manager takes absolutely no responsibility for it at all and you're giving him an indefinite free pass for results to get worse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? No spending in the summer Actually asset stripping the club Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though) There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? Erm, we may be battling with the pack at the bottom, which we aren't. We're sitting 9th, with no permanent signings in over 12 months and a net spend over the last 4 years of what -£40m?. Pardew isn't the problem imo, he's a symptom of the problem. Until the real issue is kicked to the curb switching managers wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imo. Our form is W1, D1, L7. We're not in the relegation fight this year, but we will be next year. I hope you don't believe the second clause of that last sentence. We might actually play attractive football for a start. If that matters to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Now ruining the World Cup by being a pundit on BBC. :anguish: :anguish: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Your presuming we'd get a Laudrup in, we're more likely to get Dennis Wise, Joe Kinnear, Trevor Francis, any other washed up managers we can think of? I also think the form will turn round, starting at the weekend. He was given a target of top 10 in the summer by the board and we're still on course for that. They won't sack him as he's hitting all targets with nowt being spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Im glad he's at the World Cup. He can personally scout the players that he's going to turn to shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Now ruining the World Cup by being a pundit on BBC. :anguish: :anguish: Really? Fucking really? He's the best they can get for the biggest sporting event on the world? Pathetic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Maybe Ashley will watch the BBC coverage of the World Cup and be forced to listen to him and realise that he talks out of his arse all the time and sack him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I hope we sign precisely zero players on the basis of their WC performances. It's the absolute worst way to do things. Asamoah Gyan springs to mind... cost a fortune because he scored two penalties (and fucking missed one) in a side that did OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Your presuming we'd get a Laudrup in, we're more likely to get Dennis Wise, Joe Kinnear, Trevor Francis, any other washed up managers we can think of? I also think the form will turn round, starting at the weekend. He was given a target of top 10 in the summer by the board and we're still on course for that. They won't sack him as he's hitting all targets with nowt being spent. Alright. Well, I hope you continue to enjoy supporting Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Asamoah Gyan is a good player though, just the very definition of lazy, greedy bellend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Still notice that no one can give an actual example of what makes him a good manager. "He might not be as shit as someone Ashley might appoint" does not count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? No spending in the summer Actually asset stripping the club Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though) There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy. No Summer spending Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him. That's 2013/14. Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Tbf that's pretty much all we have the data to say about him - that he's not necessarily terrible. He's about as good as a huge number of other unremarkable managers, not as bad as the really awful ones and not as good as the really good ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? No spending in the summer Actually asset stripping the club Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though) There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy. No Summer spending Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him. That's 2013/14. Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with... That "without the slightest intention" is pure speculation, and I don't think JFK had THAT much control. Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's exactly the point though, who would we get in under Ashley!? You all know damn well we won't go for a well known, 'big name' manager. It would be another 2nd rate appointment. I'm no Pardew fan, but I can realise that things could be a lot worse. Sacking him, would only make the circus and negativity surrounding the club even worse. Fine, sack him when Ashley has sold the club, I don't see the point until then. How? No spending in the summer Actually asset stripping the club Bringing in JFK as permanent manager, or any of the very large number of managers with less pedigree than Pardew Going all-out Allardyce with the style of play, not even trying to do anything else (could argue a manager with a firm philosophy would be better though) There are quite a few ways really. Not sure I agree unilaterally with the 'no point changing manager if Ashley stays' thing. If Pardew somehow manages to slip to 10th, lose the dressing room in the process etc etc then he should absolutely be invited to leave. It's uncharitable to suggest we'd definitely not bring in someone good - I think it would depend a lot on who happened to be available and to what extent they were prepared to work within certain constraints re transfers etc... But that accounts for most managerial jobs in Europe, not just us. It's only old-fashioned British managers who are used to demanding control over the transfer policy. No Summer spending Sell your best players without the slightest intention of replacing them Bring JFK in as DoF, every football related decision at the club has to go through him. That's 2013/14. Your vision of 'a lot worse' doesn't sound much different to what's happened tbh. Still, if that's what you're content with... That "without the slightest intention" is pure speculation, and I don't think JFK had THAT much control. Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't. Why? Why wasn't it a worry last summer? Why was Anita, a player Pardew would NEVER choose had he any say in it, as a sole summer signing the year before not bring any cause for worry? Signing no one or no one useful to the manager the past 2 summers hasn't been a problem for you but if it happens a 3rd time it might? Don't fret, i reckon you'll find a way to justify it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Not spending this summer would scare me in a way that previous windows certainly didn't. Me too, we would be critically under strength in a way we haven't been recently. Not that I buy that every decent player is on the way out, but even if we just fail to get Remy we need fairly significant reinforcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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