Shearergol Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 What I see is comparing with those teams,it is a fact that your players are MASSIVELY underpaid. I honestly think the players deserve much more given their performance are top class throughout 2 seasons. If you dont pay, they will all leave in the end. You may say Walker is expensable, but whats next? Eriksen? Alli? Son? Dembele? Alder? You have to invest and retain the players now. Or else thats it. I guess I'm on the wrong track. They deserve the money that Chelsea or Man U can pay, so we should pay everyone an extra 50K-100K per week.Start paying the youth team 20Kpw. Maybe it will all work out. Or if we can't, then just sell everybody who's any good to somebody who can afford to pay them "the market rate". I'm serious. Maybe there's something I'm missing and you're all seeing. I'm programmed to believe that you build a club sustainably, paying wages that reflect your revenue. We also have a new stadium to pay for, and I'm too tired and old to work out the intricacies of how that impacts our costs and bottom line. We pay the extra, what. 100M or so each year to bring us closer to "market rate". What happens next? Genuine question. What happens next? You win the league, win the champions league, your fanbase goes up, your income goes up. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but if one team is offering £60k a week and the other £120k a week, which would a player with a fairly short career join? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 What I see is comparing with those teams,it is a fact that your players are MASSIVELY underpaid. I honestly think the players deserve much more given their performance are top class throughout 2 seasons. If you dont pay, they will all leave in the end. You may say Walker is expensable, but whats next? Eriksen? Alli? Son? Dembele? Alder? You have to invest and retain the players now. Or else thats it. I guess I'm on the wrong track. They deserve the money that Chelsea or Man U can pay, so we should pay everyone an extra 50K-100K per week.Start paying the youth team 20Kpw. Maybe it will all work out. Or if we can't, then just sell everybody who's any good to somebody who can afford to pay them "the market rate". I'm serious. Maybe there's something I'm missing and you're all seeing. I'm programmed to believe that you build a club sustainably, paying wages that reflect your revenue. We also have a new stadium to pay for, and I'm too tired and old to work out the intricacies of how that impacts our costs and bottom line. We pay the extra, what. 100M or so each year to bring us closer to "market rate". What happens next? Genuine question. What happens next? You win the league, win the champions league, your fanbase goes up, your income goes up. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but if one team is offering £60k a week and the other £120k a week, which would a player with a fairly short career join? Can people please stop telling me that! I've grasped that concept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Spurs will be like the new Dortmund without the success at the start bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Agree with Leffe's strategy of recycling the peripheral players for big money to the Citeh's etc who will pay big bucks for Stones, Sterling, Rodwell, Delph etc As long as they hold onto Kane, Lloris, Alli, Son, Eriksen, Alderweild and players of that ilk, they'll be fine. Of course, they need to keep Poch who can coach the replacements for those leave into buying into the team ethos which has made them so good. If they can do this for long enough, their revenue and ability to pay more will gradually increase too. I don't think Leffe has acknowledged that Spurs need to win silverware though. Soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I think Spurs have done fairly well with their existing way of doing things like. I'm not suggesting it's an endless well that they can continue to tap without paying extra money, but for me they're very close to winning the title. They shouldn't throw away the way that they've been doing things just because a couple of their less-important players think they deserve a higher wage. When Kane, Alli, Eriksson, and Alderweireld start kicking up a fuss, maybe then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 In fairness we have seen before that selling players doesn't automatically mean it all falls apart, i would argue the most important thing is keeping Pochettino. no but its a thing where it only takes one screw up and your falling behind and what good players you kept suddenly start listening to those large wage offers being whispered to them by their agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be well annoyed at people talking about players leaving, when they have just had a class season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be well annoyed at people talking about players leaving, when they have just had a class season. not even finished, could get better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be well annoyed at people talking about players leaving, when they have just had a class season. As a football fan, I'm well annoyed. Just as annoyed as I was when the same thing happened with Leicester. Football is completely fucked, the game is completely rigged aside from the odd miracle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I think Spurs have done fairly well with their existing way of doing things like. I'm not suggesting it's an endless well that they can continue to tap without paying extra money, but for me they're very close to winning the title. They shouldn't throw away the way that they've been doing things just because a couple of their less-important players think they deserve a higher wage. When Kane, Alli, Eriksson, and Alderweireld start kicking up a fuss, maybe then. I don't think anyone's suggesting they go completely mental, just loosening it a bit to help keep the important players who deserve it and add a few here and there. Most sides in the PL are genuinely thick when it comes to signing players so they don't need to do a massive amount from here to win the league assuming they keep the core of it together. Arsenal were in a similar position a few years ago when it comes to wage cap etc etc, it just so happened that them spending more money coincided with Wenger declining as a coach. Although in fairness to Spurs on that end Arsenal had a lot of money coming in due to paying off Emirates debts etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Agree with Leffe's strategy of recycling the peripheral players for big money to the Citeh's etc who will pay big bucks for Stones, Sterling, Rodwell, Delph etc As long as they hold onto Kane, Lloris, Alli, Son, Eriksen, Alderweild and players of that ilk, they'll be fine. Of course, they need to keep Poch who can coach the replacements for those leave into buying into the team ethos which has made them so good. If they can do this for long enough, their revenue and ability to pay more will gradually increase too. I don't think Leffe has acknowledged that Spurs need to win silverware though. Soon. I did right at the beginning . It's the thing that a lot of rival fans have thrown at us this past couple of years - "none of it means anything unless you win a trophy", "Poch is nothing until he's won a trophy". We get it. You just need a couple of breaks. If we'd not drawn Chelsea in the semi then I suspect we'd be in the final. Arsenal have done very well in the FA Cup recently, but they've had some very generous draws to help them on the way. All you can do is build the best team you can to maximize your chances. I would like us to pay more wages, of course I would. As I understand it, we use bonuses to bump wages up, which is probably the only way we can do it. We have loosened it a bit, and it pushed up everyone's wages, and yet we are still in a situation where Lingard and Lovren are earning 100Kpw. That's not loosening it a bit, that's pretty much doubling our wages. It doesn't help that the media are complicit. It's not the first time that these stories have come up when we have a Chelsea game on the horizon or they're feeling threatened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I think Spurs have done fairly well with their existing way of doing things like. I'm not suggesting it's an endless well that they can continue to tap without paying extra money, but for me they're very close to winning the title. They shouldn't throw away the way that they've been doing things just because a couple of their less-important players think they deserve a higher wage. When Kane, Alli, Eriksson, and Alderweireld start kicking up a fuss, maybe then. I don't think anyone's suggesting they go completely mental, just loosening it a bit to help keep the important players who deserve it and add a few here and there. Most sides in the PL are genuinely thick when it comes to signing players so they don't need to do a massive amount from here to win the league assuming they keep the core of it together. Arsenal were in a similar position a few years ago when it comes to wage cap etc etc, it just so happened that them spending more money coincided with Wenger declining as a coach. Although in fairness to Spurs on that end Arsenal had a lot of money coming in due to paying off Emirates debts etc etc. It's not what I was suggesting either. Loosening up for Walker and Dier, though? Nah, no way. Like I said, when Kane, Alli etc start kicking up a fuss, do it then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 That's what i mean, Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Alderweireld, Lloris etc etc that's the players you should be doing everything you can to keep( unless you can somehow find better) not saying they are not either, just speaking in generalities They'll be fine selling the likes of Dier and Walker etc etc as long the manager stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be well annoyed at people talking about players leaving, when they have just had a class season. As a football fan, I'm well annoyed. Just as annoyed as I was when the same thing happened with Leicester. Football is completely f***ed, the game is completely rigged aside from the odd miracle. Yup. All of this. I'm annoyed that the bigger clubs are in a different league, but we're in a different league to many clubs, so I can't cry about it too much. I get more annoyed when "journalists" start stirring, or when fans talk about a "market rate" that is set by teams that have near-infinite money. What happens next? You win the league, win the champions league, your fanbase goes up, your income goes up. Simple. How many years does it take us to win the Champions League? One? Two? How much does our income go up? I mean, I do agree to an extent. There is definitely an argument that now is the time to boost wages a bit. In a year or two we should have a brand spanking new stadium, and hopefully we can start generating some serious matchday income. If we keep the team together we should be in the perfect position to push on. I simply don't know how much money we need to put aside to pay for the stadium though. And lest we forget, there are fifteen or so teams across the continent with more or comparable money, and our revenue is still only sixth in our own league. Man City spent 200M this year to be not as good as us, and Man U spent 150M to be even worse. They will spend the same again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Guess just a bit more quality in depth I suppose, but that's quite hard to buy for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. A bit of extra luck, mainly. It's abundantly clear that you have a better chance if you don't have to worry about Europe, like Leicester and then Chelsea. Then you factor in injuries (which may be connected to the lack of Europe) - Leicester and then Chelsea again. There's the perennial argument that we might be missing that one truly world-class attacker or midfielder - Sanchez, Hazard, Aguero (?). Bottom line, we're really bloody good all round. If we win out, we end up with just one point less than the "Invincibles" managed (with more goals scored and a far better goal difference). And we probably still finish second. Frankly, that's just bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Something i have noticed is you have started quite slowly the previous two seasons, hard to quantify why but it would probably help as you seem to be playing catch up the rest of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. A bit of extra luck, mainly. It's abundantly clear that you have a better chance if you don't have to worry about Europe, like Leicester and then Chelsea. Then you factor in injuries (which may be connected to the lack of Europe) - Leicester and then Chelsea again. There's the perennial argument that we might be missing that one truly world-class attacker or midfielder - Sanchez, Hazard, Aguero (?). Bottom line, we're really bloody good all round. If we win out, we end up with just one point less than the "Invincibles" managed (with more goals scored and a far better goal difference). And we probably still finish second. Frankly, that's just bad luck. as i said last weekend i think i do wonder what your season might have looked like if you'd spent £30m on a footballer (or 2) instead of sissoko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. A bit of extra luck, mainly. It's abundantly clear that you have a better chance if you don't have to worry about Europe, like Leicester and then Chelsea. Then you factor in injuries (which may be connected to the lack of Europe) - Leicester and then Chelsea again. There's the perennial argument that we might be missing that one truly world-class attacker or midfielder - Sanchez, Hazard, Aguero (?). Bottom line, we're really bloody good all round. If we win out, we end up with just one point less than the "Invincibles" managed (with more goals scored and a far better goal difference). And we probably still finish second. Frankly, that's just bad luck. as i said last weekend i think i do wonder what your season might have looked like if you'd spent £30m on a footballer (or 2) instead of sissoko Probably roughly the same tbf. Doubt they'd get a player that would be guaranteed to significantly improve them for £30m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. A bit of extra luck, mainly. It's abundantly clear that you have a better chance if you don't have to worry about Europe, like Leicester and then Chelsea. Then you factor in injuries (which may be connected to the lack of Europe) - Leicester and then Chelsea again. There's the perennial argument that we might be missing that one truly world-class attacker or midfielder - Sanchez, Hazard, Aguero (?). Bottom line, we're really bloody good all round. If we win out, we end up with just one point less than the "Invincibles" managed (with more goals scored and a far better goal difference). And we probably still finish second. Frankly, that's just bad luck. as i said last weekend i think i do wonder what your season might have looked like if you'd spent £30m on a footballer (or 2) instead of sissoko Probably roughly the same tbf. Doubt they'd get a player that would be guaranteed to significantly improve them for £30m probably yeah, but still you'd think for £30m you'd be getting a player who would win you a few points over the course of a season even if playing poorly on that note where's lamela, injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Does feel like you need to win something next year. Arguably been the best team in the league for large patches of the last 2 years and will undoubtedly be strong again next season, but eventually players or managers leave, other teams get stronger etc. Hard to really pinpoint that extra 10% you're missing, the defence, keeper midfield and attack are all already really strong. No obvious weak links looking in from the outside. A bit of extra luck, mainly. It's abundantly clear that you have a better chance if you don't have to worry about Europe, like Leicester and then Chelsea. Then you factor in injuries (which may be connected to the lack of Europe) - Leicester and then Chelsea again. There's the perennial argument that we might be missing that one truly world-class attacker or midfielder - Sanchez, Hazard, Aguero (?). Bottom line, we're really bloody good all round. If we win out, we end up with just one point less than the "Invincibles" managed (with more goals scored and a far better goal difference). And we probably still finish second. Frankly, that's just bad luck. as i said last weekend i think i do wonder what your season might have looked like if you'd spent £30m on a footballer (or 2) instead of sissoko Probably roughly the same tbf. Doubt they'd get a player that would be guaranteed to significantly improve them for £30m probably yeah, but still you'd think for £30m you'd be getting a player who would win you a few points over the course of a season even if playing poorly on that note where's lamela, injured? Yep. Some question over whether he will come back. Sissoko is just the weirdest transfer all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 was it think summer you signed that striker who doesn't score, janssen? a better 2nd striker could have made a difference to the season in the time kane was out i guess....not that i even know if you dropped points during that period Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Something i have noticed is you have started quite slowly the previous two seasons, hard to quantify why but it would probably help as you seem to be playing catch up the rest of the season. There is definitely that perception. We drew away to Everton first game, then beat Palace, then drew at home to Liverpool. Not entirely unexpected results. Then we won four in a row. Played seven games, won five, drawn two. That's not a slow start. The problem was October and November. After beating Man City at home Oct 2nd we drew four league games in a row, blagged a win against West Ham then were a bit unlucky to lose away to Chelsea. What else was happening around that time? Europe and injuries. That's the key. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 It's difficult for Spurs to get that type of player tbh, it's not just the money it's that they are not established for many years in the same ways Arsenal are for example when they are able to get Sanchez etc etc. Money is part of it, but Liverpool have the same issue for so long they have been irrelevant to the CL stage that no player of THAT level will join them. Even when Suarez joined them he wasn't established. Pretty much every player Spurs have signed have been the same, it's probably why they signed Sissoko i doubt he was anywhere near their first choice. If they can sustain this level on and off the pitch then it won't be long till they are able to sign that level of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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