Newcastle United 0 - 4 Spurs - 12/02/14 - Post-match reaction from page 36

[Pata]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

 

 

Hughton is clearly a really nice guy but I guess it's safe to say that he's not a top level PL manager (nor is Pardew obviously). He has been given decent money and Norwich play horrible football. Neither are good enough for us.

 

Also, the recent results are disgraceful but we are not getting relegated this season ffs.

[jdckelly]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

Like fuck it does, Hughton wasn't sacked because we were playing crap and losing games embarrassingly. He was sacked because Llambias and Ashley wanted their yes man wanker mate in the job. And Pardew took over a team which was happy and playing ok.

 

The situation is different now. And the appointment now if Pardew was sacked, would be because results and performances have been dreaful, beyond dreadful actually. Not that i have faith any appoinment being outstanding but it'll be better than this fuckfaced arsegravy breathed cuntstain.

 

OK, the point isn't about the individual managers. Hughton may be a bit better. The point is whether Ashley can appoint a good manager. Doesn't really matter to me either way, just saying.

 

I dont think it'll be Ashley who appoints the next manager. He'll be consulted and give the final say but i dont think he cares now. Personally i think it'll be Charnley and Irvine who search for that manager, and it's they who will put that managers name forward to Ashley. If that is the case i just hope they have more common sense than Llambias did.

problem is that raises another big issue, who actually decides if Pardew goes or not? Ashley doesn't give a damn and there's no one actually higher up who seems to have any authority at all. Say what you will about Llambias at least the club had a plan and he at least projected actual authority over the club, we may not have overly agreed with the plan or may have thought it was bullshit and well no one even came close to liking Llambias but good god it was better than the club is now, completely rudderless existing from day to day waiting for Ashleys next daft idea.

[Ronaldo]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

 

 

 

You don't really follow football in general, do you?

 

I've seen Norwich and they look like a very ordinary squad to me.

 

They finished 12th before Hughton came in and he's spent a lot if money on some good players. They looked like going down with 2 games to play last season and will be involved in a relegation battle (at best) again. Not to mention the fact they've only scored 19 goals this season.

 

Hughton's a great bloke but it's nowt short of a miracle he's still managing in the PL.

[jdckelly]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

seems to be getting tactical decisions horrifically wrong in the same mold as the most common complaints about Pardew take the game vs West Ham, Norwich played well on another day would have won but at 75 mins or so he took off the most obvious goal threat in Hooper for Elmander who has about as much goal threat as Shola and took off Redmond who whenever I've seen him has looked by some way their best player. Those are negative subs and they paid the price with West Ham scoring after they happened.

[Guest bimpy474]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

Like fuck it does, Hughton wasn't sacked because we were playing crap and losing games embarrassingly. He was sacked because Llambias and Ashley wanted their yes man wanker mate in the job. And Pardew took over a team which was happy and playing ok.

 

The situation is different now. And the appointment now if Pardew was sacked, would be because results and performances have been dreaful, beyond dreadful actually. Not that i have faith any appoinment being outstanding but it'll be better than this fuckfaced arsegravy breathed cuntstain.

 

OK, the point isn't about the individual managers. Hughton may be a bit better. The point is whether Ashley can appoint a good manager. Doesn't really matter to me either way, just saying.

 

I dont think it'll be Ashley who appoints the next manager. He'll be consulted and give the final say but i dont think he cares now. Personally i think it'll be Charnley and Irvine who search for that manager, and it's they who will put that managers name forward to Ashley. If that is the case i just hope they have more common sense than Llambias did.

problem is that raises another big issue, who actually decides if Pardew goes or not? Ashley doesn't give a damn and there's no one actually higher up who seems to have any authority at all. Say what you will about Llambias at least the club had a plan and he at least projected actual authority over the club, we may not have overly agreed with the plan or may have thought it was bullshit and well no one even came close to liking Llambias but good god it was better than the club is now, completely rudderless existing from day to day waiting for Ashleys next daft idea.

 

The club is what it is now, rudderless is a good description actually. But to say anything good about Llambias is not washing with me.

 

It was Llambias that appointed this fucking retard we have now, and gave him an 8 year contract, and backed him after the worst run of results i can remember in the 16th place season. And still backed him after the 0-6, 0-3 games in the name of stability.

 

Basically fuck Llambias.

[Guest]

The only protest is to stop giving them money for me that will work, though fans need to see a visible / vocal protest as well imo to rally the troops.

 

Visible protest gets the media on the bandwagon, and it hopefully snowballs from there.

 

Even a simple thing like fans not leaving the concourse til 5 mins in next week so Sky show a completely empty bowl would be massively ignored(not that ot would make Ashley quit like but would show fans are fighting together). Sadly for every active fan wanting to at least show some form of protest theres 10 happy to sit on their hands and continue to 'support the team' as anything involving effort isnt for them.

 

Everyone stand in silence with backs to the pitch for the first 2 minutes in protest, then in turn sing each of the starting XIs name?

[TRon]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

 

 

 

You don't really follow football in general, do you?

 

I've seen Norwich and they look like a very ordinary squad to me.

 

They finished 12th before Hughton came in and he's spent a lot if money on some good players. They looked like going down with 2 games to play last season and will be involved in a relegation battle (at best) again. Not to mention the fact they've only scored 19 goals this season.

 

Hughton's a great bloke but it's nowt short of a miracle he's still managing in the PL.

 

They finished 12th by playing to their limited strengths in their first season, that was unlikely to be repeated the next once sides adapted. Which good players have they bought? Leroy Fer looks decent, and Redmond is probably a good prospect. But the rest look pretty uninspiring and the forwards look cack. I don't think Hughton's a good manager FWIW, but I don't see that Norwich side being transformed by a new one without some changes to the playing staff.

[Ronaldo]

Bassong, Tettey, Snodgrass, Fer, Redmond, van Wolfswinkel and Hooper are all good players that have been added to the squad that finished 12th. No wonder their supporters are protesting against him.

[Guest hatem garrincha]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

 

 

 

You don't really follow football in general, do you?

 

I've seen Norwich and they look like a very ordinary squad to me.

 

They finished 12th before Hughton came in and he's spent a lot if money on some good players. They looked like going down with 2 games to play last season and will be involved in a relegation battle (at best) again. Not to mention the fact they've only scored 19 goals this season.

 

Hughton's a great bloke but it's nowt short of a miracle he's still managing in the PL.

 

They finished 12th by playing to their limited strengths in their first season, that was unlikely to be repeated the next once sides adapted. Which good players have they bought? Leroy Fer looks decent, and Redmond is probably a good prospect. But the rest look pretty uninspiring and the forwards look cack. I don't think Hughton's a good manager FWIW, but I don't see that Norwich side being transformed by a new one without some changes to the playing staff.

 

Agree. Hughton is as limited as Pardew but the latter has the better players and team.

[TRon]

Bassong, Tettey, Snodgrass, Fer, Redmond, van Wolfswinkel and Hooper are all good players that have been added to the squad that finished 12th. No wonder their supporters are protesting against him.

 

The team that finished 12th was shite man, they over-achieved like many sides in their first season in the premier. Stop spinning it otherwise. How many of those players you mentioned as good players would you want in our side?

[Disco]

You know a thread has gone to shit when it's got to arguing about Hughts.

[Ronaldo]

Bassong, Tettey, Snodgrass, Fer, Redmond, van Wolfswinkel and Hooper are all good players that have been added to the squad that finished 12th. No wonder their supporters are protesting against him.

 

The team that finished 12th was shite man, they over-achieved like many sides in their first season in the premier. Stop spinning it otherwise. How many of those players you mentioned as good players would you want in our side?

 

How's that relevant? Our side shouldn't be fighting relegation either.

 

Anyway, waste of time. Hughton's a nice guy and an abysmal manager. We all know it.

[leffe186]

Is it safe yet?

 

To sell your best player halfway through the season is a major error. To do so for less than, say, 20M is, at this level, willfully negligent. To fail to replace him is criminally insane.

 

I saw our team sheet and was very nervous - no left back (again), the under-performing Lennon still on the pitch, and Dembele in a front three, of sorts. As it turned out, this was the most AVB performance yet under Sherwood, and in a good way. Capoue showed his value, Bentaleb had probably his best game yet, and Adebayor showed AVB what he was missing. As one or two have said, we won comfortably without having to raise our game.

 

That is the first time in a while I have properly sat down to watch you play. I think Pardew has actually got more criticism than he deserves based on this game alone. He's not very good, but was crippled by Kinnear and injuries/suspensions. The decision to go 442 with a big guy and a quick guy showed his limited imagination, but he didn't have too many options.

 

De Jong actually looks like a half-decent target man to me. Decent touch, good in the air, nice awareness of what's around him. He's slow, and clearly not match-fit yet, but has a chance to bed in for half a season, getting used to the Prem. I think his game suits an orthodox 442. Cissé is clearly a problem though. He's like a s*** Defoe at the moment - not really contributing much to the game, not putting chances away, living offside and disappearing from view at times. De Jong and Remy has more potential.

 

That midfield was a cluster-f***. There was a massive Cabaye-shaped hole in the middle of it, which Anita struggled to fill. Sissoko could be a valuable player with a strong game-plan and better players around him, but with everyone doing their own thing his limitations are dreadfully exposed. Gouffran is decent, but his role is a bit unclear, Marveaux is a useful squad player but not the answer. Tiote was a big miss because of his presence if nothing else, but the worry is that without Cabaye he will be asked to do more than he's capable of. That's exactly what has happened before. Those players need well-defined roles and a leader - and with Pardew as manager and Cabaye in Paris I don't see where either is coming from.

 

I think the defence is adequate, or would be with a defensively-focused Tiote in front of it. Krul had as much of a mare as he had a great game at our place, but the real liability was Santon. His confidence seems to be shot, and even when it wasn't he always seemed fragile, and capable of really silly mistakes. Now he probably needs a couple of games out to get himself together. Maybe the few days off will help. Debuchy looked the one really classy defender, but he was clearly frustrated throughout. Williamson and Taylor are useful backups, but if (of necessity) both are getting an extended run in the team then you will ship goals against most teams. Colo coming back will make the world of difference.

 

So what could Pardew have done better? I thought Sammy Ameobi's use of the ball was really impressive, and a proper 442 with him and Ben Arfa out wide would have made more sense. Ben Arfa just does not look fit though, which is presumably why he's not starting games. If I were Pardew, I'd have both Sammy Ameobi and Ben Arfa starting against Villa and just go for it - Villa's defence is so poor. Either 442 with them out wide, or 433 with De Jong, Remy and one of them up front. It's ironic that the fact you're probably safe seems to be making Pardew's game plans more turgid - you'd think that it would be an opportunity for him to throw caution to the wind. Something has got to change, because the apathy from top to bottom is poisonous, and in players like Remy, Ben Arfa and Sammy Ameobi he has the pieces to at least have a go. What has he got to lose?

[leffe186]

That was all a bit tl;dr I guess .

 

One thing did strike me. It may just have even a quirk of the NBC coverage, but the contrast between the way the teams behaved while Kaboul was injured seemed marked. The Spurs players and coaches were focused, happy, involved and together - geeing each other up, pointing out things to work on, and engaging in animated discussions. The Newcastle players and coaches seemed disengaged and listless. Like I say, that may not have been the case, but it certainly seemed like that on camera.

[AlanSkÃrare]

The decision to go 442 with a big guy and a quick guy showed his limited imagination, but he didn't have too many options.

 

Which one of them is supposed to be quick? Cissé wouldn't get away from Williamson.

[Flip]

The decision to go 442 with a big guy and a quick guy showed his limited imagination, but he didn't have too many options.

 

Which one of them is supposed to be quick? Cissé wouldn't get away from Williamson.

 

 

Also discussion about Pardew and Hughton is amusing. One if a  defensive minded manager with not a very good squad at his disposal, the other is a complete fraud. I wouldn't have any of them, but Hughton is a football manager who will probably never be at a better club than he is, but Pardew shouldn't even be a manager at Norwich. This is the guy that benched Carlos Tevez at West Ham ffs, this is the guy that benches Ben Arfa consistently even with bunch of players injured, and this is the guy that after this many years at the club still hasn't found a way of playing football. Season we finished 5th was all down to individual brilliance, this shit doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for anything. (well exagerating obviously, but I endured the Souness era, this is worse).

[Guest bimpy474]

I hated Souness, massively but this feels worse despite the league position. I actually hate Pardew more, dunno if it's the Ashley factor, Llambias and the god awful football but i truly detest him..

[Beren]

Is it safe yet?

 

 

It's perfectly safe - we're far more focused on self-immolation to take it personally! Besides which we've been battered far more embarrassingly and on a fairly consistent basis at this point, sadly.

 

Good post - agree with a lot of it, though I don't have as high hopes for De Jong as you.

[colinmk]

I think it was fair enough to believe Hughton was limited, as he's now showing with Norwich. What we didn't know is that he'd be replaced with Pardew. Which sort of backs up the 'devil you know' argument as well.

 

I never really understand how his results with Norwich prove anything tbh. He doesn't exactly have much to work with there. Or am I missing something?

 

 

Hughton is clearly a really nice guy but I guess it's safe to say that he's not a top level PL manager (nor is Pardew obviously). He has been given decent money and Norwich play horrible football. Neither are good enough for us.

 

Also, the recent results are disgraceful but we are not getting relegated this season ffs.

 

See, this bit is just not true I'm afraid. I've watched them more often than not this season just to see if this was actually made up or not and it's nonsense. They are trying to play football the right way every match with some limited players, last match for example carved West Ham open 3/4 times and just couldn't finish. This has been their problem all season. RVW has been a poor signing and yes you can blame Hughton for that, but who saw that coming? And they haven't really spent anymore money than anyone else around them btw. Yes it's not been a great season for them but to say they play horrible football is incorrect unless you are a fan of the shit Pardew offers up.

[TaylorJ_01]

The decision to go 442 with a big guy and a quick guy showed his limited imagination, but he didn't have too many options.

 

Which one of them is supposed to be quick? Cissé wouldn't get away from Williamson.

 

I think Cissé was quick before he got upgraded to windows 8.

[AlanSkÃrare]

At least Hughton had the ability to motivate his players, there was some sort of pride in the performances of his team. Maybe he wasn't the long term answer, but I'd argue he was a shit load better at what he does than Pardew. The way we thumped opposition in the Championship AND Premier League under CH, it would never, ever happen under Pardew. If Barnsley came to SJP, he'd try and lock down the 1-0 lead. Not go on and murder them 6-1.

[ujpest doza]

At least Hughton had the ability to motivate his players, there was some sort of pride in the performances of his team. Maybe he wasn't the long term answer, but I'd argue he was a shit load better at what he does than Pardew. The way we thumped opposition in the Championship AND Premier League under CH, it would never, ever happen under Pardew. If Barnsley came to SJP, he'd try and lock down the 1-0 lead. Not go on and murder them 6-1.

I think you've got a selective memory there mind.

 

We didn't open up and hammer teams in the championship properly under CH until promotion was all but assured.

We'd been a lot more cautious previously.

[TRon]

Hughton isn't a good manager, tbh not many British managers are. Pardew is far worse though and that's the important factor here. Pardew is absolute shite.

[Disco]

That was all a bit tl;dr I guess .

 

One thing did strike me. It may just have even a quirk of the NBC coverage, but the contrast between the way the teams behaved while Kaboul was injured seemed marked. The Spurs players and coaches were focused, happy, involved and together - geeing each other up, pointing out things to work on, and engaging in animated discussions. The Newcastle players and coaches seemed disengaged and listless. Like I say, that may not have been the case, but it certainly seemed like that on camera.

 

Said that at the time, loads of your lot went over the bench whereas our lot just stood around playing with their nobs.