Hatem Ben Arfa (still a free agent)

[Toonpack]

Good riddance to bad rubbish I believe is the phrase.

 

Bags of natural ability, no application, unmanageable, unwilling, no ambition, waste of oxygen.

 

And a bit of a major twat by all accounts.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Oh good, another shit.

[geordieglory]

Wish Nice shirts weren't £65.

You can get a nice shirt for a lot less than that.

 

[Anon]

Also, I don't blame him for his treatment of Hatem Ben Arfa. Having worked at the club for two and a half years, Ben Arfa was a nightmare.

[Hughesy]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

[Carlito]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Agreed. It's fucking laughable that people buy into this shite. Shows you how many 'followers' there are amongst the support, who just believe what they're spoon-fed by proven liars. Such a waste of a brilliant player and totally gutted to see someone of his quality leave.

[TaylorJ_01]

BBC said it's a loan?

[Toonpack]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets.

 

His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless.

 

Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise.

[TaylorJ_01]

Grim mong

[Hughesy]

His stats already show he is our most productive midfielder. What more evidence do you need? Show me a player we've had in the last 5 years who was consistently excellent game after game? Even Cabaye wasn't.

[Guest palnese]

He's a fantastic talent, but clearly not right in the head, and that's why he's joining fucking Nice from fucking Hull just as he's about to enter what should be the prime of his career.

 

Such a shame and what a massive waste of talent.

[Dave]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Good luck with that.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets.

 

His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless.

 

Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise.

It's been done to death on here in every way. Examples of him playing well and being dropped, stats showing he's a 1 in 3.5 goal scorer and 1 in 4 assister, stats in comparison to our other players, examples of players he's been dropped in favour of etc etc etc and yet still people like you either/or A. Ignore it. B. Dismiss it or C. Come out with the sort of utter nonsense that's in your final paragraph there. In fact all of it is generalised, unsubstantiated, fabricated, weapons grade horseshit tbh.

[Skeletor]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Good luck with that.

 

Can imagine people don't want to be done for libel so the generic option is the easiest option to manipulate opinion.

[Hughesy]

Shouldn't be a problem if it is true..

[Carlito]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets.

 

His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless.

 

Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise.

 

You must be forgetting all of those games where he was brought on as a sub with 10-15 minutes left where we were complete dogshit, and yet he still managed to give us a bit of "fret" and creativity, whilst Pardew still used him as a scapegoat for "not doing enough". He was one of the only players we had that was willing to run at the defense and go past them.

 

Not saying he couldn't be frustrating at times because he could, but someone of his ability should be starting games because of what he brings to the team.

[Guest neesy111]

His stats already show he is our most productive midfielder. What more evidence do you need? Show me a player we've had in the last 5 years who was consistently excellent game after game? Even Cabaye wasn't.

 

Reminds me of the KP situation.

[Dokko]

If he wasn't such an awkward character then why has it ended up like this? Especially if he's such a consistent force on the pitch.

 

If you look at it logically, and not peering out of his arse for just one moment you'd realise it doesn't add up. Not here or at any of the other clubs he's been to and left under a cloud of bitterness and resentment by all parties.

[Toonpack]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets.

 

His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless.

 

Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise.

It's been done to death on here in every way. Examples of him playing well and being dropped, stats showing he's a 1 in 3.5 goal scorer and 1 in 4 assister, stats in comparison to our other players, examples of players he's been dropped in favour of etc etc etc and yet still people like you either/or A. Ignore it. B. Dismiss it or C. Come out with the sort of utter nonsense that's in your final paragraph there. In fact all of it is generalised, unsubstantiated, fabricated, weapons grade horseshit tbh.

 

My last paragraph is weapons grade horseshit is it So Real, Bayern and Barca are clamouring for his services then.

 

He's a lazy waste of talent.

[Skeletor]

Shouldn't be a problem if it is true..

 

It's not. That's the issue.

[Dave]

If he wasn't such an awkward character then why has it ended up like this? Especially if he's such a consistent force on the pitch.

 

If you look at it logically, and not peering out of his arse for just one moment you'd realise it doesn't add up. Not here or at any of the other clubs he's been to and left under a cloud of bitterness and resentment by all parties.

 

He's clearly not a full shilling, there's little doubt about that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to get far more out of him. A good manager would have, not wankers like Pardew and Bruce who are all about graft over craft. If he was as rounded as some appear to expect, there's not a chance he'd have been here in the first place, and that includes us taking advantage of him falling out with his previous club.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I wish people could actually give detailed specifics about what HBA ever did wrong rather than relying on vague generalisations about his behaviour. No-one seems to be able to give any though.

 

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets.

 

His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless.

 

Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise.

It's been done to death on here in every way. Examples of him playing well and being dropped, stats showing he's a 1 in 3.5 goal scorer and 1 in 4 assister, stats in comparison to our other players, examples of players he's been dropped in favour of etc etc etc and yet still people like you either/or A. Ignore it. B. Dismiss it or C. Come out with the sort of utter nonsense that's in your final paragraph there. In fact all of it is generalised, unsubstantiated, fabricated, weapons grade horseshit tbh.

 

My last paragraph is weapons grade horseshit is it So Real, Bayern and Barca are clamouring for his services then.

 

He's a lazy waste of talent.

 

Sorry, maybe I should have made it even easier for you to understand. It's horseshit because

1. Absolutely no one is saying that those teams are or should be clamouring for his services

2. It's irrelevant when he was behind players like Dan Gosling, Shola Ameobi, Ryan Taylor and Gabriel Obertan in the pecking order. Clamoured for by Bournemouth, a second division Turkish side, no one and no one.

 

Is that a bit easier for you to understand now?

[Dokko]

If he wasn't such an awkward character then why has it ended up like this? Especially if he's such a consistent force on the pitch.

 

If you look at it logically, and not peering out of his arse for just one moment you'd realise it doesn't add up. Not here or at any of the other clubs he's been to and left under a cloud of bitterness and resentment by all parties.

 

He's clearly not a full shilling, there's little doubt about that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to get far more out of him. A good manager would have, not wankers like Pardew and Bruce who are all about graft over craft. If he was as rounded as some appear to expect, there's not a chance he'd have been here in the first place, and that includes us taking advantage of him falling out with his previous club.

 

We should have got more out of him, but he should have got far more out of himself. His mentality is getting more wild and unpredictable and while he's not playing football his talent is taking a nose dive. Not at any point has the lad himself decided he wants to change things, he's decided to keep going the way he has and this is why he's ended up destroying his own career. Nice will expect him to buck up his ideas, but he won't and he might get away with it due to the quality of the league but only they'll take so much and he could see himself ousted again.

 

You can't blame Pardew for this, for most part hba comments on Pardew have been positive and if anything it sounded like Pardew gave him too much leeway, pissed off senior players and when Pardew wanted it to change gave him a final ultimatum which blew up in both their faces. Senior players no longer wanted him around the dressing room and put their foot down. Just because he was made the poster boy by the fans against Pardew doesn't mean that's all it was, Pardew vs hba, this issues ran much deeper and with a lot more people within the club.

 

In the end too much trouble coming in to his final year where a decision had to be made, just like Barton the club had enough with his antics and got rid. It's sad it ended like this, but understandable.

[Guest firetotheworks]

If he wasn't such an awkward character then why has it ended up like this? Especially if he's such a consistent force on the pitch.

 

If you look at it logically, and not peering out of his arse for just one moment you'd realise it doesn't add up. Not here or at any of the other clubs he's been to and left under a cloud of bitterness and resentment by all parties.

 

He's clearly not a full shilling, there's little doubt about that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to get far more out of him. A good manager would have, not wankers like Pardew and Bruce who are all about graft over craft. If he was as rounded as some appear to expect, there's not a chance he'd have been here in the first place, and that includes us taking advantage of him falling out with his previous club.

 

We should have got more out of him, but he should have got far more out of himself. His mentality is getting more wild and unpredictable and while he's not playing football his talent is taking a nose dive. Not at any point has the lad himself decided he wants to change things, he's decided to keep going the way he has and this is why he's ended up destroying his own career. Nice will expect him to buck up his ideas, but he won't and he might get away with it due to the quality of the league but only they'll take so much and he could see himself ousted again.

 

You can't blame Pardew for this, for most part hba comments on Pardew have been positive and if anything it sounded like Pardew gave him too much leeway, pissed off senior players and when Pardew wanted it to change gave him a final ultimatum which blew up in both their faces. Senior players no longer wanted him around the dressing room and put their foot down. Just because he was made the poster boy by the fans against Pardew doesn't mean that's all it was, Pardew vs hba, this issues ran much deeper and with a lot more people within the club.

 

In the end too much trouble coming in to his final year where a decision had to be made, just like Barton the club had enough with his antics and got rid.

 

The point stands and will always stand imo that on the pitch is all that matters if you can come up with the goods. Imo he could and (when started) did. We're talking about a player here that was dropped when he was in form last season. Bellamy was a prick, Robert was too, loads of players are dicks and by the sounds of it HBA isn't all there either, but if you're going to invest more in off-the-field unknowns from a notorious liar over what you watch on the pitch come the weekend then I'm not sure what to say...

[Carlito]

If he wasn't such an awkward character then why has it ended up like this? Especially if he's such a consistent force on the pitch.

 

If you look at it logically, and not peering out of his arse for just one moment you'd realise it doesn't add up. Not here or at any of the other clubs he's been to and left under a cloud of bitterness and resentment by all parties.

 

He's clearly not a full shilling, there's little doubt about that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to get far more out of him. A good manager would have, not w*****s like Pardew and Bruce who are all about graft over craft. If he was as rounded as some appear to expect, there's not a chance he'd have been here in the first place, and that includes us taking advantage of him falling out with his previous club.

 

We should have got more out of him, but he should have got far more out of himself. His mentality is getting more wild and unpredictable and while he's not playing football his talent is taking a nose dive. Not at any point has the lad himself decided he wants to change things, he's decided to keep going the way he has and this is why he's ended up destroying his own career. Nice will expect him to buck up his ideas, but he won't and he might get away with it due to the quality of the league but only they'll take so much and he could see himself ousted again.

 

You can't blame Pardew for this, for most part hba comments on Pardew have been positive and if anything it sounded like Pardew gave him too much leeway, p*ssed off senior players and when Pardew wanted it to change gave him a final ultimatum which blew up in both their faces. Senior players no longer wanted him around the dressing room and put their foot down. Just because he was made the poster boy by the fans against Pardew doesn't mean that's all it was, Pardew vs hba, this issues ran much deeper and with a lot more people within the club.

 

In the end too much trouble coming in to his final year where a decision had to be made, just like Barton the club had enough with his antics and got rid.

 

The point stands and will always stand imo that on the pitch is all that matters if you can come up with the goods. Imo he could and (when started) did. We're talking about a player here that was dropped when he was in form last season. Bellamy was a prick, Robert was too, loads of players are dicks and by the sounds of it HBA isn't all there either, but if you're going to invest more in off-the-field unknowns from a notorious liar over what you watch on the pitch come the weekend then I'm not sure what to say...

 

Exactly. Throw the likes of Dyer in there as well. A good manager will get the best out of them regardless of their personalities off the field. HBA was a massive part of our success during the 11-12 season.