Stifler Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Crazy thing is, the TV deals makes no difference. All it has done has put the price of average players up to stupid amounts of money. Well money that seems stupid now but will be the norm in a few years time. If Jonny Evans is going to cost you £50m this year, the extra cash means nothing. And that even includes Championship teams who now expect £12-£15 for ok players who have never done it in the top flight. This makes relegation and recreating a squad for the championship even hard. This is the reason Sunderland are rock bottom of the league. No money to buy and no decent players to sell for big money once Pickford left. Ashley hanging on, on the hope of stopping up just makes the squad weaker and means whoever comes in knows they need to spend probably close to £200m. Exactly, thats what I was saying yesterday. Even if Ashley spent the money required to give us a semi-decent squad before the end of the transfer window all he will be doing once the TV money comes in is replace whats he's spent on players. If he doesn't spend any or enough then all he is doing is increasing the amount of money a new owner needs to spend to make the club a stable Premier League one which doesn't add value to his selling price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The problem is Ashley no longer cares so long as its costing him nothing, he no longer attends games and its just a going concern to him, its like having a house with a great sitting tenant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The problem is Ashley no longer cares so long as its costing him nothing, he no longer attends games and its just a going concern to him, its like having a house with a great sitting tenant. Yeah but it starts costing an awful lot if we are relegated, which we will be if investment doesn't follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This will never work because to many people go to the match regardless of what damage Ashley does. Like super fan Wallsendmag. However, does my opinion count if I sit in my arm chair at home, enjoying expert punditry from Robbie Savage etc. Yet another pop at me by some cowardly nomark I see You must be a sensitive little snowflake if you deemed that "a pop" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This will never work because to many people go to the match regardless of what damage Ashley does. Like super fan Wallsendmag. However, does my opinion count if I sit in my arm chair at home, enjoying expert punditry from Robbie Savage etc. Yet another pop at me by some cowardly nomark I see You must be a sensitive little snowflake if you deemed that "a pop" Flattered that with all the matchgoing fans on here you chose to single me out personally dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Your the biggest super fan here. Constantly undermining other people like me who chucked it in years ago. But as I said, you think watching from a TV means our opinions are invalid as we don't buy a ticket to sit in the East stand tutting at our players in the cold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Howay man ladies, put your handbags away and direct your focus on the fat cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Wew Rocker is back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Your the biggest super fan here. Constantly undermining other people like me who chucked it in years ago. But as I said, you think watching from a TV means our opinions are invalid as we don't buy a ticket to sit in the East stand tutting at our players in the cold. I said people fail to see the irony when they're sat in front of a laptop watching a stream and complaining about the atmosphere at games. If it bothers them that much do something about it like the Wor Hyem/Gallowgate Flags did rather than whinge on here. I know loads of loyal supporters who no longer go to games for a variety of reasons so wind yer neck in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 You don't mention irony, you just antagonise and patronise people with relentless crap, then play the "Yous don't go to the match" card You complain the atmosphere is shit but admit your entitled to complain because you've paid 100s to sit in the cold. Yet it's us who should make an effort to improve it. You also act like a child. You're absolutely seething he's had another steady game. The stench of bitterness oozes from your posts on this thread. Mention Darlows save against Everton again but not the one he threw to Rooney if it cheers you up Davey lad. You are thick as mince like Disco lad. For once I agree with you there. I've known Hayden wasn't good enough a long time ago. Easy to say when you're sat in the warm watching on an internet stream. In reality when you've paid £100s to sit in the freezing cold watching absolute rubbish the patience of the most placid of people is tested, as was the case today. The fact that you are over compensating with applause and fake laughs after every post suggests otherwise Davey. These are from your last 20 posts, behave man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 You don't mention irony, you just antagonise and patronise people with relentless crap, then play the "Yous don't go to the match" card You complain the atmosphere is s*** but admit your entitled to complain because you've paid 100s to sit in the cold. Yet it's us who should make an effort to improve it. You also act like a child. You're absolutely seething he's had another steady game. The stench of bitterness oozes from your posts on this thread. Mention Darlows save against Everton again but not the one he threw to Rooney if it cheers you up Davey lad. You are thick as mince like Disco lad. For once I agree with you there. I've known Hayden wasn't good enough a long time ago. Easy to say when you're sat in the warm watching on an internet stream. In reality when you've paid £100s to sit in the freezing cold watching absolute rubbish the patience of the most placid of people is tested, as was the case today. The fact that you are over compensating with applause and fake laughs after every post suggests otherwise Davey. These are from your last 20 posts, behave man It's like what I've said. Silly complaining about the atmosphere whilst you're sat at home watching on a stream. For a start you don't get a proper perspective of it anyway and most rational people would agree with that. Most of what I say on here is in response to cowardly digs against me as was the case in this boring conversation with yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Eeeeh, it's like no one saw Wullie's legendary post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Whether i'm at the match helping the atmosphere or not, you will still complain. I don't go to the match to complain, you apparently do. Anyway I hope if we needs these guys, the majority get off their seats and show we are united behind the same cause. Instead of sitting on their hands like the PardewOut Hull game. Some fans are more passionate about bewwwwing players than chanting or hoying abuse at the fat cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Whether i'm at the match helping the atmosphere or not, you will still complain. I don't go to the match to complain, you apparently do. Anyway I hope if we needs these guys, the majority get off their seats and show we are united behind the same cause. Instead of sitting on their hands like the PardewOut Hull game. Some fans are more passionate about bewwwwing players than chanting or hoying abuse at the fat c***. I couldn't care less if people go to the match or not. This isn't North Korea and we are free to do as we please. There's some great NUFC fans, people who've travelled all over the world investing far more money and time than the likes of me watching NUFC who don't go anymore. I still maintain I can't see how people watching on a stream can dig at the atmosphere when they're not prepared to do anything about it as others have. Aside from that there's been plenty of occasions where I've came out of SJP thinking we really backed the team well only to watch it again on the telly and it sounding crap which is the case at all the big stadia in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Nobody should be going to the games now after the latest fiasco to be honest. I think we're all on the same side here deep down Ashley is pocketing our money from attendances and giving Rafa nothing. Rafa has literally had to sell to buy. The impact that an empty stadium during a televised game would have would be quite massive in my opinion, even if it's just one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Nobody should be going to the games now after the latest fiasco to be honest. I think we're all on the same side here deep down Ashley is pocketing our money from attendances and giving Rafa nothing. Rafa has literally had to sell to buy. The impact that an empty stadium during a televised game would have would be quite massive in my opinion, even if it's just one. If I thought 30k wouldn't renew next season I'd do the same in a shot in the hope of forcing his hand but the reality is that 95%+ will renew because they see it as a day on the drink, a social occasion. Most of the rebels have probably jacked it in now so I doubt it'll even get too hostile anyway, not that he's ever venture within 300 miles of the place to see for himself. Maybe if Rafa walked that would stir a few people perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Nobody should be going to the games now after the latest fiasco to be honest. I think we're all on the same side here deep down Ashley is pocketing our money from attendances and giving Rafa nothing. Rafa has literally had to sell to buy. The impact that an empty stadium during a televised game would have would be quite massive in my opinion, even if it's just one. If I thought 30k wouldn't renew next season I'd do the same in a shot in the hope of forcing his hand but the reality is that 95%+ will renew because they see it as a day on the drink, a social occasion. Most of the rebels have probably jacked it in now so I doubt it'll even get too hostile anyway, not that he's ever venture within 300 miles of the place to see for himself. Maybe if Rafa walked that would stir a few people perhaps. That's fair, but I think that's where the problem lies within our fanbase as a whole. For some it may be a lack of will power, for some it's a case of waiting to see what others do, whereas for others it may be actually not being bothered enough to take it as far as a protest regardless of whether there's one or not and letting things run their course. Personally I stopped going in 2013 and promised myself I wouldn't even so much as buy anything from the club again until Ashley is gone. However if I knew that a good sum of fans were prepared to give up their seat for 1 game and protest with others outside the stadium for change at the club, I'd make sure I was there for it. I agree though that if Rafa walks then more people will be likely willing to do something to that level and finally hit Ashley in the pocket. Strength in numbers and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Nobody should be going to the games now after the latest fiasco to be honest. I think we're all on the same side here deep down Ashley is pocketing our money from attendances and giving Rafa nothing. Rafa has literally had to sell to buy. The impact that an empty stadium during a televised game would have would be quite massive in my opinion, even if it's just one. If I thought 30k wouldn't renew next season I'd do the same in a shot in the hope of forcing his hand but the reality is that 95%+ will renew because they see it as a day on the drink, a social occasion. Most of the rebels have probably jacked it in now so I doubt it'll even get too hostile anyway, not that he's ever venture within 300 miles of the place to see for himself. Maybe if Rafa walked that would stir a few people perhaps. That's fair, but I think that's where the problem lies within our fanbase as a whole. For some it may be a lack of will power, for some it's a case of waiting to see what others do, whereas for others it may be actually not being bothered enough to take it as far as a protest regardless of whether there's one or not and letting things run their course. Personally I stopped going in 2013 and promised myself I wouldn't even so much as buy anything from the club again until Ashley is gone. However if I knew that a good sum of fans were prepared to give up their seat for 1 game and protest with others outside the stadium for change at the club, I'd make sure I was there for it. I agree though that if Rafa walks then more people will be likely willing to do something to that level and finally hit Ashley in the pocket. Strength in numbers and all that. Totally agree but the one thing Newcastle fans have really struggled with over the years is uniting together for the greater cause. Too many different factions and egos probably made worse now that social media gives anyone a platform to spout their opinion. Even the Ashley and Pardew out groups recieved a mixed response even though it was blindingly obvious that they were created for the greater good of the club. You see the way the Liverpool fans rallied against Hicks and Gillett and more recently against plans to increase ticket prices through the Spirit of Shankley group that they are all on board with. Sadly we could never mobilise ourselves in that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 What even is the biggest NUFC fan led group? True Faith? They were against the boycott of the Spurs game a few years back iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 What even is the biggest NUFC fan led group? True Faith? They were against the boycott of the Spurs game a few years back iirc. Probably. I think the NUST died a death and the Ashley Out group has lay dormant for a while. There's the Wor Hyem/Flags group but they are massively compromised and the club has them over a barrel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fans-exhausted-frustrated-out-patience-14168057 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Canny statement that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Byker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm sure the word 'exhaustive' was used in the Sky statement rather than 'exhausting'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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