TRon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's not a good league Burnley and Hull proved that last year and we proved that in 2009. The problem is the first 2 games we have played negatively against two teams who were nearly relegated last year on top of the team slection which has been bewildering. It's only 2 games but the the mistakes made in those two teams in selction and tactics has been poor. Rafa will hopefully see put this right on Wednesday and a new winger and striker are made this week also. How Anita and Dummett keep getting a game is bewildering. Do I think it will come together possibly which is a big change from a cople of weeks ago when I would have said probably. Very arrogant view imo. For me - Burnley are a Championship - they know the league well and the core of it have been promoted twice from comfortably. Hull got in via play-offs. Not many of our lads seem ready for the division. What is there to be ready about? If you're Anita, Colback or Perez and you're losing the ball under pressure from stronger, quicker players then I'm not sure they'll ever be ready. That's how I judged Thauvin and I'm getting the same vibe with these lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 If the refs in this league are as lenient as that bloke yesterday then Mitro will make a big difference when he comes back He wasn't lenient, just f***ing s***. i agree, the bloke who hacked at Ritchie never got a card which i found amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's fucking abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Also, Rafa must get Gamez in for Dummet for Reading. It's inexcusable to keep that shitebag in the team, he just hampers us in every phase of the game. Personally, I think we'd have a good shout to play a 3-5-2: -----------------------Sels----------------- ------Lascelles------Chancel-----Clark/Hanley------- -----------------------Anita------------------------- Janmaat------Diame--------Shelvey------Ritchie ------------------Gayle-----Mitrovic------------ It will never happen as Rafa loves his 4-2-3-1, but I think we'd be less exposed and gives us a striker partnership. Think one up top will see us struggle in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? Because he has Championship knowledge, that is apparently very different from winning in any other league in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Also, Rafa must get Gamez in for Dummet for Reading. It's inexcusable to keep that shitebag in the team, he just hampers us in every phase of the game. Personally, I think we'd have a good shout to play a 3-5-2: -----------------------Sels----------------- ------Lascelles------Chancel-----Clark/Hanley------- -----------------------Anita------------------------- Janmaat------Diame--------Shelvey------Ritchie ------------------Gayle-----Mitrovic------------ It will never happen as Rafa loves his 4-2-3-1, but I think we'd be less exposed and gives us a striker partnership. Think one up top will see us struggle in this league. It's a shame as this really rules out other options that suit the team such as 4-4-2. I think the 4-2-3-1 will click but not the way it's being implimented at the moment. We need to be more attacking, even playing 4-2-3-1 you can do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? Because he has Championship knowledge? That is apparently very different from winning in any other league in the world. felix magath struggled hugely in this league despite his reputation and experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? Because he has Championship knowledge? That is apparently very different from winning in any other league in the world. felix magath struggled hugely in this league despite his reputation and experience. Because he was in charge of a faltering Fulham side who sold all of their best players, nothing to do with 'knowing the league'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? Because he has Championship knowledge? That is apparently very different from winning in any other league in the world. felix magath struggled hugely in this league despite his reputation and experience. Because he was in charge of a faltering Fulham side who sold all of their best players, nothing to do with 'knowing the league'. They also bought the best striker in the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? Because he has Championship knowledge? That is apparently very different from winning in any other league in the world. felix magath struggled hugely in this league despite his reputation and experience. Because he was in charge of a faltering Fulham side who sold all of their best players, nothing to do with 'knowing the league'. They also bought the best striker in the division. And had gaping holes of crap in nearly every other position. What happens in League One? Do you need a knowledge of League One to suceed? Why are players like Payet so successful in the Premier League with no experience of it? How did Mourinho ever suceed in any job, he had no experience of the league when he started each role. Huddersfield have started very well under their manager with no Championship experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's fucking abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. I agree. Huddersfield did nothing yesterday except put their team behind the ball and fight for every ball. As we've seen over the years once it became clear we didn't have a plan to break them down they grew in confidence. Still should never have lost. We beat ourselves yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' s***, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Facile view imo. League nous can be over emphasised but it does exist. What a load of bollocks. On your view, Sean Dyce would be a better option to Rafa? No. I didn't say that nor is that my point. We aren't the same as Burnley. Burnley have been promoted with a good championship team. They then got relegated with a good championship team. Then promoted again. When relegated they didn't need to adjust anything, they just went again. Lost 1 player I think replaced him well. We have a team with some fairly decent technicians who haven't adjusted to the league yet. A manager whose career has been built off cautious teams at the highest level - he needs to put out a more offensive team for this challenge. We need to impose our will more. He hasn't adjusted yet. I don't believe management or teams are linear. Different leagues and teams have different challenges. I think Rafa's overall class will shine through in the Championship but he's needing a learning curve to get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's fucking abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. I agree. Huddersfield did nothing yesterday except put their team behind the ball and fight for every ball. As we've seen over the years once it became clear we didn't have a plan to break them down they grew in confidence. Still should never have lost. We beat ourselves yesterday. Then you have to ask yourself, how good is our team exactly? We don't look like we can keep possession in midfield, we can't create chances, and our defence keeps conceding goals to crap teams. There's not one area of the pitch where we look better than the general standard in this division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 But TCD, none of that is 'knowing the league', it is about knowing the team you are working with. Rafa doesn't need to 'know the Championship', he just needs to know his best 11 and best tactics for each game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Boro just got promoted playing with 1 up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's f***ing abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. I agree. Huddersfield did nothing yesterday except put their team behind the ball and fight for every ball. As we've seen over the years once it became clear we didn't have a plan to break them down they grew in confidence. Still should never have lost. We beat ourselves yesterday. We did have a plan, apparently. It just wasn't followed. As someone else said, Rafa has spent the majority of his career playing against sides that sit & concede possession to his teams, he obviously knows how to get the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Boro just got promoted playing with 1 up top. We'll have to sign a new defence for that to work. As we are conceding some shockers so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Boro just got promoted playing with 1 up top. Fwiw I think we'd have won both our games if we were'n conceding goals from nowhere. boro had a very reliable defence, we keep giving away goals through sheer carelessness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Boro just got promoted playing with 1 up top. We'll have to sign a new defence for that to work. As we are conceding some shockers so far. 2 games into the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's f***ing abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. I agree. Huddersfield did nothing yesterday except put their team behind the ball and fight for every ball. As we've seen over the years once it became clear we didn't have a plan to break them down they grew in confidence. Still should never have lost. We beat ourselves yesterday. We did have a plan, apparently. It just wasn't followed. As someone else said, Rafa has spent the majority of his career playing against sides that sit & concede possession to his teams, he obviously knows how to get the results. If you saw a credible plan in that yesterday then you know something I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. The quality's f***ing abject, man. Give over. Just look at the Burnley side that won it. I agree. Huddersfield did nothing yesterday except put their team behind the ball and fight for every ball. As we've seen over the years once it became clear we didn't have a plan to break them down they grew in confidence. Still should never have lost. We beat ourselves yesterday. We did have a plan, apparently. It just wasn't followed. As someone else said, Rafa has spent the majority of his career playing against sides that sit & concede possession to his teams, he obviously knows how to get the results. If you saw a credible plan in that yesterday then you know something I don't. Our own manager said the players didn't follow 'instructions. He said they weren't doing what they'd practised in training. Ergo, I'm assuming there was a plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Our CBs have let us down in mistakes directly leading to 3 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gomez Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good post TCD. Agree with that, what works in the premiership will not work the same in the championship. He has to drop the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 forrmation for me and play a flat 442. Don't know about yesterday, but we played 4-4-2 against Fulham, whatever the Sky said the lineup was. It seems like we don't really have a focal point. More of the same, nobody taking responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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