Figures 1-0 Football Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Glad we’ll have VAR to sort out decisions like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Nee idea what Klopp and some of you are smoking like. One of the most obvious pens you'll see when you watch it in real time. It was never a pen. Massive dive. If i put my arm on your back with no force at all, like a little pat on the back, would you fall over? Depends on whether you were also running towards me like Lovren was, Lovren's body knocks him over, not his hands. It's in the soft category, but still a definite pen, not a dive. Just watched it back, never a pen. Calvert Lewin actually steps into Lovren and away from the ball to then dive for the pen. Should get a ban. Howay man he puts his hands on his back and shoves him. Again it was more of a push than a dive and yes it was harsh or soft, but it was a pen. Now the Man Utd so-called pen, that was a dive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Even if he waited for Lovren to run into the back of him by shielding the ball, it still relied on Lovren being a complete moron and bundling him over. There's no rule that says you're not allowed to initiate Lovren's basic bumbling stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Penalty for me, though Allardyce is an absolute prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 All Lovren does is put his hands up as Calvert Lewin jumps into him. He doesn't shove him or bundle him over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 All Lovren does is put his hands up as Calvert Lewin jumps into him. He doesn't shove him or bundle him over. They're both running, Calvert-Lewin steps across him/initiates contact/shields the ball/whatever you want to call it and Lovren continues running, knocking him over with a combination of his momentum, his body, and his hands. You can't just ignore him running into him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 All Lovren does is put his hands up as Calvert Lewin jumps into him. He doesn't shove him or bundle him over. They're both running, Calvert-Lewin steps across him/initiates contact/shields the ball/whatever you want to call it and Lovren continues running, knocking him over with a combination of his momentum, his body, and his hands. You can't just ignore him running into him. But he doesn't run into him. Calvert-Lewin runs into Lovren and then collapses on the floor as if shot by a sniper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Glad we’ll have VAR to sort out decisions like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 All Lovren does is put his hands up as Calvert Lewin jumps into him. He doesn't shove him or bundle him over. They're both running, Calvert-Lewin steps across him/initiates contact/shields the ball/whatever you want to call it and Lovren continues running, knocking him over with a combination of his momentum, his body, and his hands. You can't just ignore him running into him. But he doesn't run into him. Calvert-Lewin runs into Lovren and then collapses on the floor as if shot by a sniper. Well agree to disagree, we obviously see it completely differently. We'll wait and see whether he gets done for diving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 7-1 One of the most obvious wins you'll ever see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Never, ever a pen. Are people saying there was sufficient contact to knock him over? Bollox!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm genuinely amazed that anyone can think it's a penalty weird how this one seems to split opinions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 All Lovren does is put his hands up as Calvert Lewin jumps into him. He doesn't shove him or bundle him over. They're both running, Calvert-Lewin steps across him/initiates contact/shields the ball/whatever you want to call it and Lovren continues running, knocking him over with a combination of his momentum, his body, and his hands. You can't just ignore him running into him. But he doesn't run into him. Calvert-Lewin runs into Lovren and then collapses on the floor as if shot by a sniper. Well agree to disagree, we obviously see it completely differently. We'll wait and see whether he gets done for diving. I don't think he'll got done but it's how a lot of players play for pens in the box these days, jump into the defender and then go down in a heat. It's become very common and needs to be stamped out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just to complete the spectrum of opinions I'm completely and utterly ambivalent towards the decision, can see why it would be given but wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Don't think it's too clear either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 It's not even contentious outside of Klopp and this thread as far as I can tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Villareal looks threatening on the counter here like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just to complete the spectrum of opinions I'm completely and utterly ambivalent towards the decision, can see why it would be given but wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Don't think it's too clear either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Genuine question for KI, have you seen the reverse angle that clearly shows it is a dive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm pretty sure I've seen every angle now, yeah. My opinion hasn't changed and unless there's another angle I'm missing, it won't change. Soft, but clear penalty. EDIT: Got your PM, yeah I've seen that, still have the same opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Messi absolutely loves that pass out to the left to Alba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Messi absolutely loves that pass out to the left to Alba Not even watching and I can see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Shaktar were leading 1-0 but managed to get three red cards in the last 10 minutes of the game and then conceded twice in added time to lose 2-1. I'd be livid as a fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 How's Bernard doing for them Flip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Shaktar were leading 1-0 but managed to get three red cards in the last 10 minutes of the game and then conceded twice in added time to lose 2-1. I'd be livid as a fan. A penalty and an own goal in added time too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 How's Bernard doing for them Flip? No idea Don't watch the Ukranian league. Did score a beauty against City though. Shaktar were leading 1-0 but managed to get three red cards in the last 10 minutes of the game and then conceded twice in added time to lose 2-1. I'd be livid as a fan. A penalty and an own goal in added time too. I'd be so pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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