Guest chopey Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I think he'll be gone Feb 1st Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Interesting little speech. However we all know as he should too that his transfer targets will not be bought, so the result will be Rafa walking as he has been shit on again? No? Then why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We are approaching the end game, Rafa is sending out his final warnings to Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I like Rafa as a person. He says the right things and raelly cares for the fans and the club. He is a great proffessional and got bags of experience. But the football we play under him is so boring to watch. I know he has never got the players he wanted and never been backed by Ashley(and never will). But I'm not sure the football won't be much funnier to watch even if he gets better players, although we may get more points. If we ever get new owners(wich I think will happen at least untill the summer) I'm starting to think it would be good with a new manager at the same time. A new voice for the players and a manager who wants to play some offensive football for once. Like I said, still likes Rafa and not sure on this. Maybe we could play another football with Rafa if he get the players he wants but I'm not sure. Think he has his way of playing the game and it's very defensive minded. Not sure that is what I want to see in the long run if we get new owners with a little bit of ambition. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I like Rafa as a person. He says the right things and raelly cares for the fans and the club. He is a great proffessional and got bags of experience. But the football we play under him is so boring to watch. I know he has never got the players he wanted and never been backed by Ashley(and never will). But I'm not sure the football won't be much funnier to watch even if he gets better players, although we may get more points. If we ever get new owners(wich I think will happen at least untill the summer) I'm starting to think it would be good with a new manager at the same time. A new voice for the players and a manager who wants to play some offensive football for once. Like I said, still likes Rafa and not sure on this. Maybe we could play another football with Rafa if he get the players he wants but I'm not sure. Think he has his way of playing the game and it's very defensive minded. Not sure that is what I want to see in the long run if we get new owners with a little bit of ambition. Thoughts? You have to consider his belief and passion for the area first and foremost. He's managed (to a degree) to unite the fan base and give many something worth going to the match for. The complete lack of direction prior to his arrival with the likes of McClaren and Carver et al was absolutely dire. That said he isn't beyond criticism and is too negative at times especially at home. I genuinely believe that if he had the players in that he wants you just can't measure how much of a difference a proper striker, goal scoring speedy wingers, full backs who can attack and a full on proper number 10 would make.....especially at home. Sure we'd alsways be resolute and difficult to play against but we'd be able to be so much more expansive. Under the ridiculous circumstances he's working under I think he's doing an incredible job with what is a squad basically full of bang average players. He's barely had a penny to spend!! Very difficult too judge how he might/might not do with the utter shambles above screwing him ever window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Thought Rafa said earlier this season there was no way we would go down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We have the lowest spend in the league and the 3rd lowest wage budget. Whilst "miracle" is probably too strong a word, if we can finish 17th it's a very big achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Given the start we had, to have a two game cushion over the bottom three, and only losing 2 from 9, the season’s going exactly as I expected. Bottom three for the first few months due to the fixtures before it balanced out. 13-16th is about right for us with this squad and it’s where we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Reading those quotes again its a massive fuck you to Ashley, "Back me or sack me" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's gone at the end of the season. He's becoming disillusioned with the (home) supporters now which was probably the only reason he's still here. Now the cracks have started to surface in that bond he's probably thinking there's nothing left here for him now and he can move on to a bigger club in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Weird that from the Guardian he's quoted as saying: “We have to realise we will be in the bottom half of the table the whole season; finishing higher will be a miracle,” - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/24/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action Either way think he's realising he's entering the end game at the club. Either Ashley backs him considerably now (no chance) or someone else takes over and backs him (less chance than no chance). In other words, adios Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Full quote: The Spaniard said: “Even if we strengthen in January it will be a miracle if we stay up. I think everyone knows what we have to do. “Does Mike Ashley know? I hope so. We are doing what we have to do and now we wait to see what will happen. “We have the targets, the names, so we have to do what we have to do. “I am trying to tell everyone, realise where we are. Realise what we have to do and if we do well, fine we can finish 10th or whatever.” “If we think we can beat these teams that have spent £100 million, every one of them, every game, there is no chance. We are wrong, 100 per cent.” “I like the challenge and we will try to do our best. If you lose or cannot win, you cannot enjoy it, but I know it is my job and I have to be sure I make the right decisions all the time. “We try to manage and correct things but sometimes in this league, which is so difficult, it is not enough. “We have to be realistic and understand we will be in the half bottom for the whole season. If we can be better than three teams it will be another miracle. “We can try make things happen in January, we will see what happens. It would be a miracle to stay up, yes. “For me it is very clear. I know what is coming now and I know where we are. You can see the team is trying a lot of things but still it is not enough to get the points. It will be like that. “If we are under pressure and feel this pressure we will not better and we can make more mistakes.” Think it sounds like after the performance against Fulham he's admitted to himself that it's a very strong possibility we'll go down and if we do he's saying in the those quotes that 'i told you so' to cover his own back. Rightly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 A miracle if we stay up despite being 5 clear of the relegation zone even with signings? Here man, he knows how to make himself look good, that's a shite quote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I think it's more a dig at the fat man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I like Rafa as a person. He says the right things and raelly cares for the fans and the club. He is a great proffessional and got bags of experience. But the football we play under him is so boring to watch. I know he has never got the players he wanted and never been backed by Ashley(and never will). But I'm not sure the football won't be much funnier to watch even if he gets better players, although we may get more points. If we ever get new owners(wich I think will happen at least untill the summer) I'm starting to think it would be good with a new manager at the same time. A new voice for the players and a manager who wants to play some offensive football for once. Like I said, still likes Rafa and not sure on this. Maybe we could play another football with Rafa if he get the players he wants but I'm not sure. Think he has his way of playing the game and it's very defensive minded. Not sure that is what I want to see in the long run if we get new owners with a little bit of ambition. Thoughts? If we get a new owner ( ) then Rafa will probably have been the biggest single factor in making that happen, so no I think it would be fucking ridiculous, and disgusting too, to get rid of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's right. We invest nothing and people wonder why we struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's gone at the end of the season. He's becoming disillusioned with the (home) supporters now which was probably the only reason he's still here. Now the cracks have started to surface in that bond he's probably thinking there's nothing left here for him now and he can move on to a bigger club in the summer. Yep, I also think its aimed at the fans booing the team off after a draw against Fulham....what the fuck were they expecting? That we should batter teams at home because we're Newcastle? In peoples minds they still expect us to be competing for Europe because thats where we should be, but they're unable to step back and look at the bigger picture as to why we're not very good. I'll give them a hint...its not Rafa and it's not the players' effort or commitment. It's that bloke you're giving your money to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's gone at the end of the season. He's becoming disillusioned with the (home) supporters now which was probably the only reason he's still here. Now the cracks have started to surface in that bond he's probably thinking there's nothing left here for him now and he can move on to a bigger club in the summer. Yep, I also think its aimed at the fans booing the team off after a draw against Fulham....what the f*** were they expecting? That we should batter teams at home because we're Newcastle? In peoples minds they still expect us to be competing for Europe because thats where we should be, but they're unable to step back and look at the bigger picture as to why we're not very good. I'll give them a hint...its not Rafa and it's not the players' effort or commitment. It's that bloke you're giving your money to. A home crowd that didn't see a shot on target and has seen us win only twice in 10 games, losing 6. Can't blame them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's gone at the end of the season. He's becoming disillusioned with the (home) supporters now which was probably the only reason he's still here. Now the cracks have started to surface in that bond he's probably thinking there's nothing left here for him now and he can move on to a bigger club in the summer. Yep, I also think its aimed at the fans booing the team off after a draw against Fulham....what the f*** were they expecting? That we should batter teams at home because we're Newcastle? In peoples minds they still expect us to be competing for Europe because thats where we should be, but they're unable to step back and look at the bigger picture as to why we're not very good. I'll give them a hint...its not Rafa and it's not the players' effort or commitment. It's that bloke you're giving your money to. A home crowd that didn't see a shot on target and has seen us win only twice in 10 games, losing 6. Can't blame them tbh. Its pretty tragic all round tbh. The football at home has been shite admittedly, but its clear as day lots of our players aren't very confident and aren't able to ignore the crowds frustrations with them so they shrink. Just seems like a never ending circle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 'Miracle' is a bit strong but I can understand why he's said it - obviously the transfer meetings haven't gone well and he's trying to pressure Ashley. It won't work though. He'll leave and all our hopes will be extinguished. Merry Christmas everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Not really ending any hopes, I've thought for a while that all Rafa was effectively doing is buying Mike some more time on the PL gravy train to buy more failed businesses. In a cruel sort of way, all Rafa's time here has done is drag out the pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 This is all so fucking painful. Like prolonging an inevitable death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's gone at the end of the season. He's becoming disillusioned with the (home) supporters now which was probably the only reason he's still here. Now the cracks have started to surface in that bond he's probably thinking there's nothing left here for him now and he can move on to a bigger club in the summer. Yep, I also think its aimed at the fans booing the team off after a draw against Fulham....what the f*** were they expecting? That we should batter teams at home because we're Newcastle? In peoples minds they still expect us to be competing for Europe because thats where we should be, but they're unable to step back and look at the bigger picture as to why we're not very good. I'll give them a hint...its not Rafa and it's not the players' effort or commitment. It's that bloke you're giving your money to. A home crowd that didn't see a shot on target and has seen us win only twice in 10 games, losing 6. Can't blame them tbh. Its pretty tragic all round tbh. The football at home has been shite admittedly, but its clear as day lots of our players aren't very confident and aren't able to ignore the crowds frustrations with them so they shrink. Just seems like a never ending circle No one wins apart from the fat cunt at the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Hope Jabba chokes on a turkey leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 He's right. We invest nothing and people wonder why we struggle. I don't question the work done by Rafa. Without him we would be stuck in the championship right now. I'm talking about the next step. When(or if) new owners comes along. THEN I want a more offensive aproach and maybe another manager. As long as Ashley is here, Rafa is the best man for the job(too good to be here actually). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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