TRon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the fucking cross or something 50k at the ground can't be wrong, but 25k who start making a racket can be. If you're one of those who think the crowd numpties know better than a world class manager, then this debate is pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Interesting that he made it very clear that by managing the game at 1-0 he means getting the second goal and not inviting pressure. So why do the players simply drop into some kind of shell and treat the ball as if it’s a grenade? If that’s not the intention then something isn’t working because they do it quite often and while you could argue it’s because they aren’t good enough, well they have been good enough to take a lead and to play very well against the other team. First half against a Palace for example, Swansea at home etc. Pressure, mentality, crowd apprehension carrying to the pitch, the opposition upping their attacks, the players knowing we don't have a good striker, inexperience, being young. There are loads of possibilities beyond in being an oversight or not putting everything into combating it. Have a listen to the podcast though. I’m listening to it and it’s great so far and so is Rafa. I understand all of those points by the way, but we are definately set up at times at home to get a goal and see the game out and it has hurt us once or twice. You cannot just ascribe all those things to how we played second half away to Palace for example or at home to Swansea when we showed plenty of quality during the first half. We went from playing good football, causing problems, being in the game, to simply being afraid of the ball, dropping deep and basically hoping to see out the draw or to nick a goal. Not when it is becoming a common theme and if this isn’t the tactic then the players are simply not responding to Rafa’s tactics during some second half’s. At home to Swansea, Lascelles was telling the keeper off for trying to release an early ball and Rafa was clearly seen telling the full-back on his side basically not to get beyond the half-way line. I believe at home we have a way of playing that we try and get a lead and then try to see the game out against the lesser sides. Against the better teams it’s the opposite, we try and stay in the game and hope not to lose or to nick a goal. For once I’d like us just to keep playing and going for it which we failed to do at home to Swansea. Again had we went at them the same way we did in the first half we would have won comfortably. I know you’re gonna come back and say they changed their tactics, pressure got to the players etc. But I’m not buying that not when the manager is discouraging the full back from getting forward and the Captain was bollocking team mates for wanting to release the ball early. This at 1-1 with Swansea on top. All it does is frustrate home fans, entire pressure and gives the opposition the upper hand. It’s no coincidence our home record is poor and historically even when we have a s*** team, we always do better at home when we attack the opposition and look to win the game and not see it out. Ironically we are good at neither so tactically it’s all a bit bizarre and kind of baffling. It's what the man himself has said, not me, so it's up to you if you choose to buy it or not. Everyone has different views on how football should be played but imo, it's nowhere near as simple as you're making out. I think the factors that I've listed are way more influential than you think and you can't just say 'we played this way before we scored, why aren't we now?'. I'd even go as far as saying that that example you've given about Swansea at home is actually an example of Rafa doing the right thing and slowing things down, as opposed to the suicidal (imo) idea of exposing ourselves at 1-1 when the opposition, a fellow relegation candidate are on top. You said yourself that you'd rather we lose 5 or 6 nil trying against Man City than lose 1-0 by sitting back. I just can't get my head around that sort of mentality in our current position. Personally I'm happy with the way Rafa approaches matches at home and away, because at some point you need to be a realist and look at what you're wanting to achieve. Do you want boring, negative potential survival or exciting, attacking certain annihilation? That's how I see it, and I don't think you can have both at the moment. And that's not some anti-Keegan outlook either btw, I just think there's a line that needs to be crossed in order to play a certain way, and we're nowhere near that with the players we have. This. x infinity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 the little dig at the chelsea fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Anyway I’m out, just going around in circles. Yey I hear thee cry... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. The game should have been wrapped up at half time, but I didn't think it was a tactical problem. Gayle missed a few sitters and had a goal disallowed for offside. Second half they weren't as shit but that doesn't mean that was because we let them, it takes two to tango and all that. Look at Burnley as well, was the problem there tactical, or because Joselu can't finish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the fucking cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! So you think psychology is an excuse?! How do you Joselu feels playing in front of 50 odd thousand people who he knows think he's shit, when every poor touch or missed chance is greeted with audible groans and derision. If you don't think that affects a player's performance you're kidding yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the f***ing cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. I was there and we didn’t go for it at all, especially once we equalised. Creating opportunities and going for it are not the same kind of thing btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! If my team came in having battered the opposition as you put it, I’d send them back out even more geed up to carry on as that door will open and get one and the floodgates will open. You? So lads, fucking hell, you were on top but didn’t even score, I bet you all feel like shit, what a bunch of wasters ha ha. Don’t fancy your chances second half ha ha ha ha. Couldn’t even beat Swansea. LOSERS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the f***ing cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. I was there and we didn’t go for it at all, especially once we equalised. Creating opportunities and going for it are not the same kind of thing btw. I watched it. Creating chances isn't going for it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! So you think psychology is an excuse?! How do you Joselu feels playing in front of 50 odd thousand people who he knows think he's s***, when every poor touch or missed chance is greeted with audible groans and derision. If you don't think that affects a player's performance you're kidding yourself. So that’s why he’s shit/doesn’t score. Again excuses. It’s not 50 odd thousand or every touch either, you are exaggerating. Hyperbole at its worst. Fans by and large give the players support and encouragement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! If my team came in having battered the opposition as you put it, I’d send them back out even more geed up to carry on as that door will open and get one and the floodgates will open. You? So lads, f***ing hell, you were on top but didn’t even score, I bet you all feel like s***, what a bunch of wasters ha ha. Don’t fancy your chances second half ha ha ha ha. Couldn’t even beat Swansea. LOSERS! Yeah, i imagine that's exactly how the conversation went. We hadn't won a PL home game for about 6 weeks FFS! Do you think they're all made of fucking stone? I guess a super coach like yourself would've been able to undo the damage from a run like with one 15 minute motivational speech. Sadly we've only got Rafa trying to work his mediocre magic. Shame! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Can we get back to what this thread is supposed to be about... saying how brilliant Rafa is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the f***ing cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. I was there and we didn’t go for it at all, especially once we equalised. Creating opportunities and going for it are not the same kind of thing btw. I watched it. Creating chances isn't going for it... Would you say Swanse went for it in the first half as they created chances still? Going for it was us in the first half, a constant attempt to get in behind them, causing problems, getting on the ball, driving forward etc. We only started going for it when they scored. After that despite whatever chances were created, we didn’t go for it, we were happy with a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest firetotheworks Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the f***ing cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. I was there and we didn’t go for it at all, especially once we equalised. Creating opportunities and going for it are not the same kind of thing btw. I watched it. Creating chances isn't going for it... Would you say Swanse went for it in the first half as they created chances still? Going for it was us I. The first half, a constant attempt to get in behind them, causing problems, getting on the ball, driving forward etc. We only started going for it when they scored. After that despite whatever chances were created, we didn’t go for it, we were happy with a point. Sorry mate. I'll leave someone else to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Can we get back to what this thread is supposed to be about... saying how brilliant Pardew is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. To say Rafa &/or the team came out second half and thought a point would be good is both made up and stupid. The proof is in the pudding. We only started going for it when they scored and when we equalised we stopped. Happy with a point. 50k people can’t be wrong who were there. Open your eyes and don’t be so blind. Stop defending everything and looking for constant excuses. It’s OK to highlight a game that went wrong and look at the tactics, set up and approach as a reason etc. It’s not like we are nailing Rafa to the f***ing cross or something You're just making that up like. Gayle missed at least 2 or 3 big chances and had a goal disallowed for offside. That's going for it. I was there and we didn’t go for it at all, especially once we equalised. Creating opportunities and going for it are not the same kind of thing btw. I watched it. Creating chances isn't going for it... Would you say Swanse went for it in the first half as they created chances still? Going for it was us I. The first half, a constant attempt to get in behind them, causing problems, getting on the ball, driving forward etc. We only started going for it when they scored. After that despite whatever chances were created, we didn’t go for it, we were happy with a point. Sorry mate. I'll leave someone else to it. Bless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! If my team came in having battered the opposition as you put it, I’d send them back out even more geed up to carry on as that door will open and get one and the floodgates will open. You? So lads, f***ing hell, you were on top but didn’t even score, I bet you all feel like s***, what a bunch of wasters ha ha. Don’t fancy your chances second half ha ha ha ha. Couldn’t even beat Swansea. LOSERS! Yeah, i imagine that's exactly how the conversation went. We hadn't won a PL home game for about 6 weeks FFS! Do you think they're all made of f***ing stone? I guess a super coach like yourself would've been able to undo the damage from a run like with one 15 minute motivational speech. Sadly we've only got Rafa trying to work his mediocre magic. Shame! 15 minutes? I’ll need more than that for my speech! No one is saying Rafa is mediocre btw stop being so fucking melodramatic man. People are debating his tactics, the Swansea game. Fuck it, it’s done. I’m off to do some coaching and reading, seems I need to know about syfology or whatever it’s called. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Rafa with the nail on the head. I love all the, "I love Rafa and want him to stay, however....", posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Rafa with the nail on the head. I love all the, "I love Rafa and want him to stay, however....", posts. I’ve said from the off I love him, but don’t like his brand of football or his tactics, not at home anyway and never will. But I do love him and have 100% trust and confidence in him as our manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They would have been happy with a 1-0 loss. Second half we changed completely, surrender the game to them, and simply just give up on trying to win the game, happy with a point. It’s those tactics that I’m critical off, it’s that kind of game plan I’m critical of and it’s that kind of ‘result’ at home which has t exactly been a one off, could well see us down come the end of the season. No matter how many times you post this same made up crap it doesnt magically turn to a truth. It’s not made up, it’s the case or was. Against Swansea? They were the ones that went 1-0 up in the second half, but would have taken a 1-0 loss before half time? You're making it hard not to not want to bring down this 'different insight' like. It feels a bit 'alternative facts' ish I’m going off how they approached the first half. Constant time wasting. Howay Man, they get a corner in added on time and take an age over taking it, fearful we may somehow break away and score. That’s how negative they ere and just how much they wanted the game over and done with. Ok happy with a 1-0 loss maybe overstepping things, but definately happy with a draw. Second have they grew in confidence because we allowed them back into it. I remember the look of disbelieve when they took the lead and even their fans couldn’t believe it. First half again only one winner and that was us. Had we played the same way or tried to, we would have won comfortably and be in a better position today than we currently are where we could be in the bottom 3 Sunday. Have you ever played football? That's a genuine question, not an inflammatory one. Because you seem to take all psychology out of the game when you talk about it - you don't pay any heed to how circumstances can affect a player's/team's mental state. We were a team on a bad home run against a team we knew we should be beating, especially at home (lots of added pressure). We battered them in the first half and got nothing. What do you think that does to a player's nerves/confidence? If you think it doesn't affect them you're very shortsighted indeed. I don't believe for a second that Rafa told them to go out and play for a draw against Swansea, either from the start of the second half or after we'd equalised. Why would he? Played and coached! Again excuses. Played well first half lads how do you feel? Scared, the confidence has drained from me boss I don’t think I can play. Oh and it’s the manager’s job to instil confidence and to keep it going. f***ing excuses man You must've been a fantastic coach! If my team came in having battered the opposition as you put it, I’d send them back out even more geed up to carry on as that door will open and get one and the floodgates will open. You? So lads, f***ing hell, you were on top but didn’t even score, I bet you all feel like s***, what a bunch of wasters ha ha. Don’t fancy your chances second half ha ha ha ha. Couldn’t even beat Swansea. LOSERS! Yeah, i imagine that's exactly how the conversation went. We hadn't won a PL home game for about 6 weeks FFS! Do you think they're all made of f***ing stone? I guess a super coach like yourself would've been able to undo the damage from a run like with one 15 minute motivational speech. Sadly we've only got Rafa trying to work his mediocre magic. Shame! 15 minutes? I’ll need more than that for my speech! No one is saying Rafa is mediocre btw stop being so f***ing melodramatic man. People are debating his tactics, the Swansea game. f*** it, it’s done. I’m off to do some coaching and reading, seems I need to know about syfology or whatever it’s called. Just tell them they're all losers if they don't beat the opposition, and to stop making excuses. Coaching 101 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Anyway I want to see 4-3-3 tomorrow, all out attack. I hope he has the players watching the 5-0 dvd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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