samptime29 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I would never boo the team. It's self-defeating (although I was tempted to, for Portsmouth at home, when we were 3-0 down in 6 mins or something daft ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. ? Read a few people saying so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 We stick to our shape well and follow instructions, pretty obvious anyone who doesn't will be hooked. We don't run around like nutcases like Bournemouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. Near the end, when Shelvey was bringing it forward with real intent but Yorke and Joselu were playing statues - as the baldy bastard is dribbling at (his top) pace and gesticulating at them in frustration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. Nah, it's lazy in the brain imo. There is definitely a lack of ability in there though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. They should be rousing themselves to get over the pressure and should find the balls to take those risks. I’ve been critical of the crowd a lot in the past and Saturday pissed me off at times too but I think the players not having it within themselves to shake off such fear was bordering into the lazy department. It’s game of football, not a war zone. If you can’t, at some point, find the courage to take risks and drop any fear of making a mistake in front of a big crowd then why are you in football? But then that’s the problem with the state of the game in regards to average/poor players at this level being on massive money, that then becomes a comfort zone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. They should be rousing themselves to get over the pressure and should find the balls to take those risks. I’ve been critical of the crowd a lot in the past and Saturday p*ssed me off at times too but I think the players not having it within themselves to shake off such fear was bordering into the lazy department. It’s game of football, not a war zone. If you can’t, at some point, find the courage to take risks and drop any fear of making a mistake in front of a big crowd then why are you in football? But then that’s the problem with the state of the game in regards to average/poor players at this level being on massive money, that then becomes a comfort zone. We have a very young team and it's nothing new, we suffered with the same issues last season. SJP is clearly a hard place to play football for our team when we aren't winning. The mental side of things is very complicated, what you are saying is akin to telling someone with depressing to just man up - it's a lot more complicated than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. They should be rousing themselves to get over the pressure and should find the balls to take those risks. I’ve been critical of the crowd a lot in the past and Saturday p*ssed me off at times too but I think the players not having it within themselves to shake off such fear was bordering into the lazy department. It’s game of football, not a war zone. If you can’t, at some point, find the courage to take risks and drop any fear of making a mistake in front of a big crowd then why are you in football? But then that’s the problem with the state of the game in regards to average/poor players at this level being on massive money, that then becomes a comfort zone. We have a very young team and it's nothing new, we suffered with the same issues last season. SJP is clearly a hard place to play football for our team when we aren't winning. The mental side of things is very complicated, what you are saying is akin to telling someone with depressing to just man up - it's a lot more complicated than that. Obviously I wouldn’t think of telling someone with depression to man up but I know what your saying. The thing is the support has been good at times this year. Granted not all the time and there’s still that whingey element but I think SJP used to be a lot, lot worse between late SBR era up till 2008. There’s always good support from the Gallowgate end now. A lot of fans are singing there hearts out non-stop and I can’t believe the players can’t hear it, towards that side of the pitch anyway. It’s there to feed off. There wasn’t any disssent at the beginning of the game v Brighton and I thought we looked nervous from the off. The mental side is complicated I agree. But this is what they’ve trained for & strived for. Playing in front of a crowd has been factored into their careers more and more through their development. It’s not like they’ve only just began to play in stadiums. There was too much of an acceptance that we weren’t going to win from the players, to me, whatever the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 So many daft cunts. So many thick cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. They should be rousing themselves to get over the pressure and should find the balls to take those risks. I’ve been critical of the crowd a lot in the past and Saturday p*ssed me off at times too but I think the players not having it within themselves to shake off such fear was bordering into the lazy department. It’s game of football, not a war zone. If you can’t, at some point, find the courage to take risks and drop any fear of making a mistake in front of a big crowd then why are you in football? But then that’s the problem with the state of the game in regards to average/poor players at this level being on massive money, that then becomes a comfort zone. We have a very young team and it's nothing new, we suffered with the same issues last season. SJP is clearly a hard place to play football for our team when we aren't winning. The mental side of things is very complicated, what you are saying is akin to telling someone with depressing to just man up - it's a lot more complicated than that. Obviously I wouldn’t think of telling someone with depression to man up but I know what your saying. The thing is the support has been good at times this year. Granted not all the time and there’s still that whingey element but I think SJP used to be a lot, lot worse between late SBR era up till 2008. There’s always good support from the Gallowgate end now. A lot of fans are singing there hearts out non-stop and I can’t believe the players can’t hear it, towards that side of the pitch anyway. It’s there to feed off. There wasn’t any disssent at the beginning of the game v Brighton and I thought we looked nervous from the off. The mental side is complicated I agree. But this is what they’ve trained for & strived for. Playing in front of a crowd has been factored into their careers more and more through their development. It’s not like they’ve only just began to play in stadiums. There was too much of an acceptance that we weren’t going to win from the players, to me, whatever the reason. I agree. I do wonder if, given our recent run, Rafa had simply instructed them to take no risks and make sure we don't get beat first and foremost and that was playing on their minds. We lacked urgency or desire to get forward throughout the game. Darlow slow with his distribution, Yedlin barely crossed the half way line bar a few times etc. Both central midfielders sitting very deep, too deep for my liking. As if we were set up not to get beat. Perhaps a mixture of both but we had lost the last five in a row at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And why do you think it's a myth? Players half-arsed tracking back, nobody willing to take responsibility in the middle of the park, half arsed casual passing, aimless hoofs rather than thinking about it and an obvious lack of movement up top. Those boos are kinda justified imo. A lot of these are not down to not working hard - some ability and many not being able to handle the pressure or not having the balls to take risks. They should be rousing themselves to get over the pressure and should find the balls to take those risks. I’ve been critical of the crowd a lot in the past and Saturday p*ssed me off at times too but I think the players not having it within themselves to shake off such fear was bordering into the lazy department. It’s game of football, not a war zone. If you can’t, at some point, find the courage to take risks and drop any fear of making a mistake in front of a big crowd then why are you in football? But then that’s the problem with the state of the game in regards to average/poor players at this level being on massive money, that then becomes a comfort zone. We have a very young team and it's nothing new, we suffered with the same issues last season. SJP is clearly a hard place to play football for our team when we aren't winning. The mental side of things is very complicated, what you are saying is akin to telling someone with depressing to just man up - it's a lot more complicated than that. Obviously I wouldn’t think of telling someone with depression to man up but I know what your saying. The thing is the support has been good at times this year. Granted not all the time and there’s still that whingey element but I think SJP used to be a lot, lot worse between late SBR era up till 2008. There’s always good support from the Gallowgate end now. A lot of fans are singing there hearts out non-stop and I can’t believe the players can’t hear it, towards that side of the pitch anyway. It’s there to feed off. There wasn’t any disssent at the beginning of the game v Brighton and I thought we looked nervous from the off. The mental side is complicated I agree. But this is what they’ve trained for & strived for. Playing in front of a crowd has been factored into their careers more and more through their development. It’s not like they’ve only just began to play in stadiums. There was too much of an acceptance that we weren’t going to win from the players, to me, whatever the reason. There aren't that many players who can play, week in week out, in front of 50000. Most can play happily in front of 30000, and can raise their game for the trips to the big clubs. When we completed the extension we were an ambitious club who were prepared to pay the premium required for such players. Now we buy cheap and expect them to raise their game every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. Wrong, we we worked the most hard of all teams yesterday ran 118km in total. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. Wrong, we we worked the most hard of all teams yesterday ran 118km in total. Would you not tend to do that more when you don't have the ball, i think we're one of lowest possession teams in the league. Might explain that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Use your eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Aye, watching the team they do work hard. Hard work isn't our problem, it's the lack quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 We've got the lack quality in spades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It's an absolute myth that we're hard working by the way. Wrong, we we worked the most hard of all teams yesterday ran 118km in total. That's kind of the point I was making though. It's naiive to think that distance ran = effort without factoring in anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Perez proves your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Now thinking our set up and lack of push in the final 3rd towards the end was Rafa’s way of stopping the rot at home and keeping a clean sheet in which to build on which we kind of have today. We have to go at Swansea though because we can be a tap on the hammer to the nail in their coffin and in doing so help ourselves massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Now thinking our set up and lack of push in the final 3rd towards the end was Rafa’s way of stopping the rot at home and keeping a clean sheet in which to build on which we kind of have today. We have to go at Swansea though because we can be a r]tap on the hammer to the nail in their coffin and I’m doing so help ourselves massively. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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