MrRaspberryJam Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, chayton said: And that is yours. We respectfully agree to disagree I believe. Hit him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Happinesstan said: Maybe they should focus on looking for fouls, instead. In the same manner players shouldn't ham it up. We absolutely stood a better chance of getting a penalty had he not done that. But as usual, factions of our support base will continue to defend him come what may. As I said, he's his own worst enemy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, chayton said: In the same manner players shouldn't ham it up. We absolutely stood a better chance of getting a penalty had he not done that. But as usual, factions of our support base will continue to defend him come what may. As I said, he's his own worst enemy. He could hoy on a wig and do a scene out of dirty dancing and it's still a fucking penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Don't think I've heard a single opinion from anywhere around England that it was anything other than a penalty, and we've got someone in a black and white shirt arguing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 It was a clear and blatant penalty like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, TRon said: Don't think I've heard a single opinion from anywhere around England that it was anything other than a penalty, and we've got someone in a black and white shirt arguing it. Haven't looked very far then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, HTT II said: It was a clear and blatant penalty like Shut you're face you, else I'm leaving and taking half the members with me ©2005 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, chayton said: Shut you're face you, else I'm leaving and taking half the members with me ©2005 Only if you take VAR along with you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, chayton said: Haven't looked very VAR then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, HTT II said: Only if you take VAR along with you! Fuck that, he starts an argument in an empty room. Very Leazes Mag.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 My Leeds mate says it was an absolute stonewall penalty and he’s massively convinced VAR is against them normally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) In a VAR-free world, it's fair to believe the referee sees in real time that ASM has gone down on his own trying to buy a penalty, or has just slipped over through his momentum and change of direction - thus not bothering to give anything. He didn't give ASM a card for simulation, so I think the ref has just thought he's slipped over whilst trying to shift his body weight back. I can accept the refs decision on that basis, but what pisses me off is that once it goes to VAR, it's slowed down to a level where you cannot fail to see contact has been made - and still no penalty. VAR is used at slow speed to detect handball and give penalties, it's slowed down to frame by frame milliseconds to rule out goals for offside (to such a fine degree that a player could be ruled both on and offside throughout the time the ball is in contact with assisting players foot!). In those cases, whatever evidence for positive ruling is found through VAR - however impossible to spot from a refs stand point - penalties are given. I hate VAR with a passion simply through the seemingly endless amounts of inconsistency and unfairness - even to the fact only PL teams playing at home can use it in the FA CUP. I can accept a referee making a decision. Won't always like or agree with it mind. Edited January 24, 2022 by Clockwork Cheese Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 ASM does himself no favours every time he throws his arms up as he heads towards the turf. Have a look, it just makes it look more like he's trying it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I've had VAR look at Chayton's opinion and ... it hasn't overruled him That's another nail in the coffin for VAR for me, Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Didn't do himself any favours 10mins earlier running at the ref flapping and throwing his arms because that FK wasn't given for a shirt tug. Really pissed me off that came with his arm throwing - needs to just get on with it and chase after/close down the Leeds player that just has got the ball. After not getting his pen, he collapsed to the floor then trotted back to his defensive positioning - it took him a whole minute from the refs decision to be back in position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Shearergol said: My Leeds mate says it was an absolute stonewall penalty and he’s massively convinced VAR is against them normally. You Yorkshire boys have always been a bit dim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: Didn't do himself any favours 10mins earlier running at the ref flapping and throwing his arms because that FK wasn't given for a shirt tug. Really pissed me off that came with his arm throwing - needs to just get on with it and chase after/close down the Leeds player that just has got the ball. After not getting his pen, he collapsed to the floor then trotted back to his defensive positioning - it took him a whole minute from the refs decision to be back in position. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, chayton said: You Yorkshire boys have always been a bit dim Lincolnshire (well Humberside) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: In a VAR-free world, it's fair to believe the referee sees in real time that ASM has gone down on his own trying to buy a penalty, or has just slipped over through his momentum and change of direction - thus not bothering to give anything. He didn't give ASM a card for simulation, so I think the ref has just thought he's slipped over whilst trying to shift his body weight back. I can accept the refs decision on that basis, but what pisses me off is that once it goes to VAR, it's slowed down to a level where you cannot fail to see contact has been made - and still no penalty. VAR is used at slow speed to detect handball and give penalties, it's slowed down to frame by frame milliseconds to rule out goals for offside (to such a fine degree that a player could be ruled both on and offside throughout the time the ball is in contact with assisting players foot!). In those cases, whatever evidence for positive ruling is found through VAR - however impossible to spot from a refs stand point - penalties are given. I hate VAR with a passion simply through the seemingly endless amounts of inconsistency and unfairness - even to the fact only PL teams playing at home can use it in the FA CUP. I can accept a referee making a decision. Won't always like or agree with it mind. Sadly they've got to a point where they've decided VAR is not allowed to undermine a referee's decision - ergo he's got to have got it seriously wrong for them to even consider overturning it. And as you say in realtime you cannot microscopically disect it. This is where ASM is his own worst enemy. He's made the referee's mind up by trying over-egg it. As soon as that was done, it was never going to get overturned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Lincolnshire (well Humberside) I feel like we've gone back 15 years or so in time .... Yorkshireman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 12 hours ago, chayton said: Sadly they've got to a point where they've decided VAR is not allowed to undermine a referee's decision - ergo he's got to have got it seriously wrong for them to even consider overturning it. And as you say in realtime you cannot microscopically disect it. This is where ASM is his own worst enemy. He's made the referee's mind up by trying over-egg it. As soon as that was done, it was never going to get overturned. Which just makes it pointless. If you have VAR, then might be a good idea to use it. All they had to do was advise the hopeless cunt of a ref to go and have a look at his screen, they didn't have to directly overrule it. He could have made his own mind up after viewing, same as they do in so many other games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 If you compare it to the one Jota got by stepping into the goalkeeper, I don’t get why they didn’t even ask the referee to look. System is a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detritus Bramble Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 If whoever is doing VAR looks at it and it’s a pen (it clearly was) then that should be that. All this it wasn’t a clear refereeing error in real time us bollocks. If you allow people to start making nuanced decisions in judgement calls like that you’re creating the inconsistencies the system is meant to remove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Watching our matches you get the sense that they're leaving it to each other. The ref's not giving anything thinking that the VAR will clear up any error, and the VAR's using any nebulous reason to back the decision. That's how it seems, then you watch a top 6 match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Yeah, I don’t even think it needs to involve the referee on the pitch TBH. Have a look at the replay, if he’s missed a foul or a dive, make the decision from the pictures. It’s a bit silly to persevere with this idea that you need to protect the status of the ref. He’s a human, he’s going to miss things, that’s why replays are good. Edited January 25, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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