Kid Icarus Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Should have known N-O couldn't be trusted to read the full post like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people lying and trying to stir shit about one of our players by inventing stories and trying to put forward this idea of them being trouble. Being critical of his game is a different thing entirely. Got you, crossed wires there, my mistake - apologies. Yeah, you might be right. ASM has gobshited in the press a few times tbf, but I definitely wouldn't argue that the 'perception' of footballers is often race-driven (any glance at the tabloid press would confirm this). There was a study done a while back re the use of terms - or maybe cliches - which are used by football commentators and found that white players were far more likely to have adjectives relating to intelligence ascribed to them, and black players more likely to have adjectives related to physical qualities. edit: there ye gan https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/29/groundbreaking-report-reveals-racial-bias-in-english-football-commentary Edited January 8, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King HTT III Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Why say dare I say it if he was white then? You make many valid points, but people aren’t on his back because of his skin colour/nationality or would be more patient or whatever if he was white/not French. Robert was one of our best PL players and got way more stick. Again he’s largely supported, he’s just such a frustrating player/individual and fans just want to see the real ASM every game because if we do, well, we have a great player in our team. Edited January 8, 2023 by King HTT III Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Bruno said in an interview recently with Sky that if he played with Haaland he would have 20 assists in a season. That's not far removed from what ASM said about having more assists of he played with Mbappe and yet I don't think I saw a mention of it against Bruno, but it's used as a stick to beat ASM with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, alexf said: Bruno said in an interview recently with Sky that if he played with Haaland he would have 20 assists in a season. That's not far removed from what ASM said about having more assists of he played with Mbappe and yet I don't think I saw a mention of it against Bruno, but it's used as a stick to beat ASM with. I don't think it was particularly smart for Bruno to say it either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I can understand the stick he takes, but I really just want it to work out for him here and I’d say most of do as well. He’s just got so much raw talent and it would be disappointing if he doesn’t achieve what he can with a team like us on an upward trajectory. Hopefully he keeps working hard and gets back in the side, willing to do the hard running and defensive stuff and ready to make an impact going forward I’m just getting a little fed up of people being constantly injured or unavailable now - not just this season or last but it’s gone on for ages and we need consistency and availability going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Should have known N-O couldn't be trusted to read the full post like. Naa you are talking bollocks, that’s exactly what you were saying. Some people don’t get the same hard on for a player as you, so you jump right down the random road of it being about his colour. Was a fucking lifting take and no back peddling from you now will change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people lying and trying to stir shit about one of our players by inventing stories and trying to put forward this idea of them being trouble. Being critical of his game is a different thing entirely. Similar tales went round about Bellamy, was that racism ? Edit.....and Andy Carrol and Lee Clarke and Mike Hooper and at least as far back as Alan Foggon Edited January 8, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, alexf said: Bruno said in an interview recently with Sky that if he played with Haaland he would have 20 assists in a season. That's not far removed from what ASM said about having more assists of he played with Mbappe and yet I don't think I saw a mention of it against Bruno, but it's used as a stick to beat ASM with. I would have said he was wrong to say that as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, madras said: Similar tales went round about Bellamy, was that racism ? Agreed, I hate it when people unnecessarily use the race card. We have a player who misses so many games for one reason or another and divides peoples opinions due to his style of play as you either love it or not. To say those people that fall on the not side is racism doesn’t even warrant a reply in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, madras said: Similar tales went round about Bellamy, was that racism ? A truncated list of some of the players from my lifetime who had constant stories circulating re pissheadery / non-stop partying / gambling problems / being a tool: Quinn (pisshead & gambling) Venison (pisshead / liasing with very young ladies) Gillespie (gambling) Tino (partying - though every story I ever heard sounded fucking hilarious) Bellamy (all round wanker) Dyer (all round wanker) Carroll (pisshead) I haven't heard owt re ASM tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: A truncated list of some of the players from my lifetime who had constant stories circulating re pissheadery / non-stop partying / gambling problems / being a tool: Quinn (pisshead & gambling) Venison (pisshead / liasing with very young ladies) Gillespie (gambling) Tino (partying - though every story I ever heard sounded fucking hilarious) Bellamy (all round wanker) Dyer (all round wanker) Carroll (pisshead) I haven't heard owt re ASM tbh. While you were posting that I edited my post to include some others. We both had Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Throw Woodgate in that list as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, madras said: While you were posting that I edited my post to include some others. We both had Carroll. Yes - and you mention Mike Hooper, who loved pubs so much he worked the doors after quitting as a goalie (and I hope he was a better bouncer than he was a keeper). Same with Clarkie who you mention - him and Andy Cole missed Wimbledon away in 1993/94 after both spat their dummies out for different reason the week before (Clark infamously tantruming in public at being subbed and kicking a bucket). Plenty of supporters weren't happy with their acting like cocks and undermining Keegan - though pretty much all the same supporters loved what they did on the pitch every week. Edited January 8, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) And there was the story that Keegan and Varadi didn't get on, obviously it was down to Imre sounding a bit of a foreign sounding name. There's enough of an issue with racism, which seems to be making a comeback, without ascribing it where it isn't. Edited January 8, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Wading into this… It seems to me that black francophone players get more shit from the English media than any other demographic of professional footballer. I don’t know if racism is a factor in the way fans think and talk about ASM, but I can certainly understand why someone might suspect that prejudice has had a part. (My experience comes completely from what I read/view online.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: Wading into this… It seems to me that black francophone players get more shit from the English media than any other demographic of professional footballer. I don’t know if racism is a factor in the way fans think and talk about ASM, but I can certainly understand why someone might suspect that prejudice has had a part. (My experience comes completely from what I read/view online.) Honestly, adding the Francophone part is unnecessary. Ask Raheem Sterling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 My issue with a lot of these rumours is whenever a player is missing a load of social media attention seekers spot an opportunity to make up a story. ASM is a big player for Newcastle so they can’t resist. They have zero knowledge or insight It might be true - but like the transfer rumours these people post a load of shite and every so often a story is right just by chance. meanwhile a load of fans go off on one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Naa you are talking bollocks, that’s exactly what you were saying. Some people don’t get the same hard on for a player as you, so you jump right down the random road of it being about his colour. Was a fucking lifting take and no back peddling from you now will change that. It's literally there in the post Describing exactly who I'm on about and nothing in there at all about thinking criticising his game is racial, because funnily enough that's not what I was talking about. You've made that up for yourself so you can be offended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, madras said: Similar tales went round about Bellamy, was that racism ? Edit.....and Andy Carrol and Lee Clarke and Mike Hooper and at least as far back as Alan Foggon Eh? The tales about those players were either true or based on previous stuff that had happened ASM's done nothing but go home and promote a board game. The main thing I said was about him being a French winger as well, weird that no one has an issue with that being one of the reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Eh? The tales about those players were either true or based on previous stuff that had happened ASM's done nothing but go home and promote a board game. The main thing I said was about him being a French winger as well, weird that no one has an issue with that being one of the reasons. The tales were around before anything was true, that in some cases they turned out to be true gives more power to them. Racism doesn't have to be along skin colour lines. Did I mention his colour or nationality ? I honestly can't remember but don't think I did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 He's a star player who misses a suspiciously high amount of games it's always going to lead to ITK rumours. The only other players we have the fall into the same category of french black wingers are Obertan who I can't remember any stories about and Ben Arfa where they were true. Honestly think it's just a case of people wanting to be ITK rather than racist. Dubravaka went out on loan then there's stories about it being because he kicked off and through his gloves at Eddie yet first game back he's starting for us. Just a couple of weeks ago people were claiming Ben White wenr home from the World Cup as he was shagging blokes ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Given the state of the squad Eddie surely has to persevere? We badly needed ASM against Sheffield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 57 minutes ago, madras said: The tales were around before anything was true, that in some cases they turned out to be true gives more power to them. Racism doesn't have to be along skin colour lines. Did I mention his colour or nationality ? I honestly can't remember but don't think I did. I really don't think they were tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, Jaqen said: He's a star player who misses a suspiciously high amount of games it's always going to lead to ITK rumours. The only other players we have the fall into the same category of french black wingers are Obertan who I can't remember any stories about and Ben Arfa where they were true. Honestly think it's just a case of people wanting to be ITK rather than racist. Dubravaka went out on loan then there's stories about it being because he kicked off and through his gloves at Eddie yet first game back he's starting for us. Just a couple of weeks ago people were claiming Ben White wenr home from the World Cup as he was shagging blokes ffs Thought he was pounding some lass in a car TBF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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