Guest reefatoon Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: Being of a certain age I remember the sorrow I felt at "losing" Alan Kennedy and Supermac. More recently Andy Cole. Even tho we're a "project" & the team will "evolve" & Eddy Howe himself has admitted some favourites may have to depart along the way, I'd be gutted if either of the Brazilian lads left. Gutted, I tell thee It’s a shite situation. Fans just can’t get attached to players anymore, if your best ones have to be sold to try and push on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said: Average wage of nearly 100k seems very high. Surprised at that. Can't say I'm very hopeful for the next few years if we're already hitting a financial ceiling. We're going to be raising that ceiling though. We already know Castore > Adidas is a huge increase. There are a lot of other untapped commercial opportunities and that will be key. We also started with a squad of almost zero sellable assets. That has and will be changing. Matchday revenue was also so low relative to capacity that it will be increasingly steadily for the next few years. The general feeling should be one of hope and excitement, unless of course your hopes are winning the title or the Champions League in the near term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 16 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: This might be a reality check for some fans (nobody on here, I don't think) who believe we should be top 4 and cup finalists every season. It's a project. A journey. And we're just at the beginning. Things will come. Things will happen eventually. We will have trophies in our future. Just enjoy the ride. Mind, I was surprised that we are just behind the cartel 6 in respect of turnover, although it’s significantly behind. The rest of the PL clubs are suffering massively to. Everyone is suffering apart from the cartel 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 39 minutes ago, Scoot said: FFP is shit and selling 1 of our star players isn't ideal but all clubs sell players. We haven't really since the new owners came in so it's hardly surprising. We all know that money will be reinvested in the playing squad and as long as we keep increasing revenues like we are, we'll continue moving upwards. How dare you what about wood? ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, andycap said: How dare you what about wood? ? Well, we got our money back on him (somehow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Scoot said: Well, we got our money back on him (somehow) Apart from the fact that we didnt, and actually made a loss on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 18 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: We're going to be raising that ceiling though. We already know Castore > Adidas is a huge increase. There are a lot of other untapped commercial opportunities and that will be key. We also started with a squad of almost zero sellable assets. That has and will be changing. Matchday revenue was also so low relative to capacity that it will be increasingly steadily for the next few years. The general feeling should be one of hope and excitement, unless of course your hopes are winning the title or the Champions League in the near term. I am excited for our now, and our future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 21 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Apart from the fact that we didnt, and actually made a loss on him I thought the greatest development of the last 6 months or so was moving past the Chris Wood debates. We paid £25m. We got a loan fee of a couple million. We sold him for £15m. He played in 17 games in 2021/22, starting 15 of them. Each PL place was worth £2.2m that season. We were 19th on the day he signed and finished 11th, so he contributed to +£17m in merit payments (not to mention avoiding relegation). We obviously paid a crazy amount, but I think we can also say it worked out just fine. Edited January 11 by timeEd32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, Ben said: Do Man City and Liverpool have to sell any of their star players for FFP? No, because they have massive revenues, and selling players to create headroom will only really work for a club, like us, where revenues are going to increase significantly over the following 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, brummie said: This whole having to sell story shows how utterly stupid the implementation of FFP is It is a convenient pulling up of the ladder exercise. Aye, its literally counter productive to what football is about as well. Got a young local lad thats doing well? Well you're better off selling him and buy a merchant from abroad ror the same money. How does that even remotely make sense? Plenty of things wrong with FFP, but Id get rid of amortisation completely and have it just be straight up transfer fees. Maybe give more leeway the more academy players youve got in your 25 man squad as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Keegans Export said: Those figures do support something I remember reading earlier this season - that we could be well positioned to spend a decent amount this summer. If we're at #7 in terms of revenue before things like the Sela deal, the CL income and the Adidas sponsorship come into play then that should give us some flexibility once we move into the 24/25 accounting period. They’re not all in the same season. The CL is this season only, adidas next year - they will roughly balance themselves out. We’re actually approaching where a competently run NUFC under Ashley would be - the challenge begins from this summer. Even with CL revenue this year, the accounts will still have us comfortably £150m behind Spurs this season. We’re a long way from being competitive with the junior member of the Sky six. I also think that we’ll be a bit less attractive to players and agents - I don’t doubt that Botman, Isak and Bruno (who all signed in the first year) will have hopped onboard expecting something akin to a Man City occurring; everyone will now be aware of what most of us already knew - FFP doesn’t allow us to do that. At present, that looks thunderously unlikely - as long as FFP exists, we’re approaching our ceiling. I’m a miserable bugger with this stuff and my back of a tab packet numbers had us at £260-280m last year. They were actually £250m. Hmm. Also duly noted that we had the 7th highest wage bill last season, not far behind Arsenal - it is likely a lot closer this year too. 7th therefore should be par for a season. The club needs to finish as high as possible and get back into Europe, and needs to start actually getting money for players in order to grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said: Average wage of nearly 100k seems very high. Surprised at that. Can't say I'm very hopeful for the next few years if we're already hitting a financial ceiling. Matt Targett is on £100k pw - that deal never looks great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Yes FFP is shit and there to stifle challengers but before we look at selling players shouldn’t we look to maximise other revenues first such as training ground sponsorship, training kit sponsorship , stadium naming rights, numerous small sponsorships I.e. official keffiyeh supplier. Also play exhibition matches in Saudi Arabia in the summer, pack out stadiums and receive a big fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Ffp off and VAR on the pitch, the cartel runs in plain sight. No one has the balls to challenge it all. Spineless from us saying we won't challenge it, especially when the pfa are having a go due to fixture congestion and clubs can't spend money on more players to protect them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, duo said: City found another way...as we all know Man City has sold £350m of players in the last three seasons. They sell players. Don’t understand why our support thinks that we’re the only club that shouldn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Dokko said: Ffp off and VAR on the pitch, the cartel runs in plain sight. No one has the balls to challenge it all. Spineless from us saying we won't challenge it, especially when the pfa are having a go due to fixture congestion and clubs can't spend money on more players to protect them. They made some threats of legal action at the first meeting after the takeover through Charley if I remember correctly but gave been playing nice since. I don’t see why considering they keep getting slapped in the face by the cartel. I say challenge FFP legally, if the argument comes up regarding protecting football clubs then argue for a maximum spend cap that’s the same for all which is truly fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Dokko said: Ffp off and VAR on the pitch, the cartel runs in plain sight. No one has the balls to challenge it all. Spineless from us saying we won't challenge it, especially when the pfa are having a go due to fixture congestion and clubs can't spend money on more players to protect them. We won’t for political reasons. It’s not a good look at all. The danger with this takeover was always exactly this - we get bought out by an unpleasant dictatorship and FFP means that you don’t get the trappings of that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Man City has sold £350m of players in the last three seasons. They sell players. Don’t understand why our support thinks that we’re the only club that shouldn’t. Thinking about it. Liverpool sold Mane didn’t they? Huge player for them at the time. Its sour for us because the difference in our results from one player is night and day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Replacing Cabaye with Colback will leave a scar on my psyche until the day I die Think that's one of the reasons we as a fan base have trouble with the idea, it doesn't seem conceivable that we'd sell an important player and replace them with someone as good/better. Edited January 11 by TheHoob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: I thought the greatest development of the last 6 months or so was moving past the Chris Wood debates. We paid £25m. We got a loan fee of a couple million. We sold him for £15m. He played in 17 games in 2021/22, starting 15 of them. Each PL place was worth £2.2m that season. We were 19th on the day he signed and finished 11th, so he contributed to +£17m in merit payments (not to mention avoiding relegation). We obviously paid a crazy amount, but I think we can also say it worked out just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordJake Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The Inpost sponsorship is not small Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, Infatuation Junkie said: Thinking about it. Liverpool sold Mane didn’t they? Huge player for them at the time. Its sour for us because the difference in our results from one player is night and day. Every club has sold stars in the past - and we’re far more vulnerable to it. I’ve never felt that the players being signed were likely to be with the club long-term, particularly with the FFP constraints. If NUFC gets to where they state they want to be, in five years time I’m willing to bet that we’ll have a completely different team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, TheHoob said: Replacing Cabaye with Colback will leave a scar on my psyche until the day I die Think that's one of the reasons we as a fan base have trouble with the idea, it doesn't seem conceivable that we'd sell an important player and replace them with someone as good/better. It was the same in ‘90s, with knackers challenging Keegan re the Cole sale. Everything is about intent. Ashley would simply pocket the difference - McKeag and co would spend it on a shite new stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getsgoodfromthegetgo Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 For the next few years it's sell one to get at least 3.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 32 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: No, because they have massive revenues, and selling players to create headroom will only really work for a club, like us, where revenues are going to increase significantly over the following 5 So we could just get massive revenues by huge, totally legal sponsorship, until they put a 100% illegal rule to stop that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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