Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[JEToon]

6 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.

 

I would argue against Everton, Brighton and even to a certain extent West Ham it did “work” the chances were there to win those games, or in the case of last night put us in a place to win it.

 

I am not sold on the idea placing a player further up the park with next to no record of goals and assists will massively add to the number of goals we score personally. We have played games with a visibly half fit forward, a make shift forward, it isn't a great shock our goal return isn't that great 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by JEToon

[Chris_R]

For me it's at least as much about what he can create for others. We've looked our best in previous seasons when he's been allowed to get further forward. But I'll agree to disagree, we've both made our points so I'll leave it there.

[54]

12 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad 

[54]

I see we're at the "Compare the manager to literal Hitler" stage of a post Newcastle United loss  

[Jagten]

40 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

Sandro, Sandro, Sandro. Just play Sandro there. 

He's not especially press resistant and his ball progression isn't good enough. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.

 

This is the conumdrum though. If we aren't a high scoring side, then the logical thing would be to make sure we don't concede goals easily. But the high press all action style we play is geared towards scoring goals not preventing them.

[Abacus]

I feel we played ok without being great until the second goal went in. Both goals weren't great defensively but the second really sucked the life out of us.

 

A few flat performances didn't help and I'm not sure what the answer to that is. The subs didn't really work and by the end we could have played all night and still not scored.

 

The last couple of transfer windows have really hurt us - I understand the financial reasons for that, but we're juggling an unbalanced squad around trying to make things fit. A wee bit deflated after that game to be honest,  and also with this stop start season with all the international breaks.

 

Tonali not starting or seemingly having a clear role is a bit of a mystery, Barnes being in and out, reliance on Burn since Kelly is a back up really, Gordon not being quite on it, Isak still isolated, not having the benefit of a fit and on form Trippier ... a few things for Howe to look at for sure.

 

But I'm going to have a cup of tea and a biscuit, we're still in the cup and not too far adrift, so there's that.

[Ben]

17 minutes ago, 54 said:

I see we're at the "Compare the manager to literal Hitler" stage of a post Newcastle United loss  

 

If that's a thing, we need to copy someone like Genghis Khan he must of had some kick ass tactics 

[Jagten]

I think we've actually got quite a bit better in recent weeks after starting the season looking like we were headed back to being not very good.  

[80]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Your first sentence is the key here. Absolutely no one realistically out there we could get even if we did need to make a change.

I agree it looks that way superficially, but there are an array of competent youngish managers out there nowadays. Not saying it's the right thing to do - I'm certainly nervous of a switch - but it's not out of the question the club could bring in someone we've never heard of who turns out great.

[80]

1 hour ago, Kanj said:

 

Edin Terzić would be my my choice if they ever do the unthinkable and have to move on from Eddie. 

I'm interested in him too. I was really impressed with the number they did on us last year, and I like what I've read about him. But I'm aware of people who follow Germany a lot more closely than me saying there were good reasons for getting rid of him.

[Erikse]

18 minutes ago, Jagten said:

I think we've actually got quite a bit better in recent weeks after starting the season looking like we were headed back to being not very good.  

 

Looks weird this way, on this graph it looks like we started the season very well performance wise, and then dropped off. But since it's a 10 game average, then the first few games of this season are hugely impacted by the final games of last season. So the reality of this season is the other way around from what the graph is showing.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Erikse

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Sorry for my tone but this is just such bollocks. There are six, maybe seven, European places available in league where the rules enable six specific, pre-determined teams to occupy them. Meanwhile the league is incredibly competitive with very expensively assembled squads, led by trophy-winning managers, in virtually all areas of the division. 

 

I believe that Newcastle United should be challenging for 'modern honours' as much as the next fan. But going on like those positions should rightfully be ours really does make for some shitty discussion. It's just over-expecting.

 

Haha no problem Yorkie! Sorry like but if we've gone from 4th to 8th to once again not qualifying for Europe then clearly the club isn't headed in the right trajectory and we should be looking at a new approach.

 

There were valid reasons for last seasons downturn but the results this season have been pretty poor and a lot of the performances uninspiring. We look a million miles away from the team of 2 seasons ago.

 

If we finish outside the European places and don't win a cup I think they'll get rid, and he should have no complaints about that either.

[Sempiternal]

The transfer window is more responsible for that than Eddie. Buying a striker that can barely get on the pitch for 5 mins, Kelly who is very very average. No improvement in the first team. Stand still you go backwards 

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Haha no problem Yorkie! Sorry like but if we've gone from 4th to 8th to once again not qualifying for Europe then clearly the club isn't headed in the right trajectory and we should be looking at a new approach.

 

There were valid reasons for last seasons downturn but the results this season have been pretty poor and a lot of the performances uninspiring. We look a million miles away from the team of 2 seasons ago.

 

If we finish outside the European places and don't win a cup I think they'll get rid, and he should have no complaints about that either.

 

I more-or-less agree with everything you've said there, I just think there's plenty of 'excuses' (to use your word) for why we might not finish in Europe again, should that happen. It's a very difficult league to be successful in for lots of reasons. I do accept that it might not fly with the owners, depending on what their ambitions are. 

 

We finished 7th last season btw; a point at Stamford Bridge away from European football. Fuck, if Coventry's legitimate winner in the FA Cup semi counted, even then we'd be in Europe now. Such were the fine margins. I think it's harsh to summarise last season as us going backwards when it was basically impossible to improve on 22/23. We were actually really unlucky tbh. 

[HaydnNUFC]

10 minutes ago, Sempiternal said:

The transfer window is more responsible for that than Eddie. Buying a striker that can barely get on the pitch for 5 mins, Kelly who is very very average. No improvement in the first team. Stand still you go backwards 

 

Arguably the summer window before that has played a bigger role given we brought in close to £150m worth of talent which didn't particularly improve the starting XI from 2022-23 and at present only 1 of those players (Hall) is consistently starting and playing well. Howe would've had a huge say in that window.

 

This territory has been gone over before, mind. But its incredibly valid imo.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[nufc123]

1 hour ago, DiddyLevine said:

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad 

[Erikse]

Not that it means that much, but transfermarkt has our squad value at 7th, despite having an ageing squad. The thing is our weakness, accoring to many atleast, was supposed to be squad depth. We have some very good key players that most other teams don't have. We're not in Europe, and we don't have that many injuries currently. So this is supposed to suit us perfectly, as we can field most of our key players each week without suffering too much from fatigue or having to use too many mediocre backups.

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Erikse

[Yorkie]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Arguably the transfer window before that has played a bigger role given we brought in close to £150m worth of talent which didn't particularly improve the starting XI and at present only 1 of those players (Hall) is consistently starting and playing well. Howe would've had a huge say in that window.

 

This territory has been gone over before, mind. But its incredibly valid imo.

 

The transfer window where we bought a load of class players is more responsible for our slump than the one where we signed fuck all, is it? Come on, man.  Take your 23/24 transfer window dartboard down now, it's knackered. 

[JEToon]

6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Arguably the transfer window before that has played a bigger role given we brought in close to £150m worth of talent which didn't particularly improve the starting XI and at present only 1 of those players (Hall) is consistently starting and playing well. Howe would've had a huge say in that window.

 

This territory has been gone over before, mind. But its incredibly valid imo.

 

I would say about that though, in this day and age it is about more than a first 11, it is about a 16, and the money spent did improve that. 

 

And yes, 150 million is an eye watering volume of money to spend, but it isn't really in the context of the league we play in. We spent that 150 million and signed two players who will feature for us for likely close to 10 years, a player who has achieved in his role to strengthen our squad in Barnes, and a player sold for a healthy profit out of that 150 million, a lot of it was actually very good spend, Chelsea for context sake spent 105 million on Enzo Ferndandes 

 

A massive part in all of this that is hard to speak about is the rate we are able to improve at v the rate a lot of sides around us are. 

 

We do need to spend a lot of money on players to keep up with where the ambition is, it's just the reality of the league, as is the reality that the league doesn't want us to do that 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by JEToon

[HaydnNUFC]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

The transfer window where we bought a load of class players is more responsible for our slump than the one where we signed fuck all, is it? Come on, man.  Take your 23/24 transfer window dartboard down now, it's knackered. 

 

Do you think the money we spent then had zero impact on PSR that we whinge about all the time? Do you think the two players whom cost the most money yet the manager does not regularly pick to be in his starting XI 18 months on have been good buys? Do you think those signings have improved the team from 2022-23?

[Erikse]

Just now, JEToon said:

 

I would say about that though, in this day and age it is about more than a first 11, it is about a 16, and the money spent did improve that. 

 

And yes, 150 million is an eye watering volume of money to spend, but it isn't really in the context of the league we play in. We spent that 150 million and signed two players who will feature for us for likely close to 10 years, a player who has achieved in his role to strengthen our squad in Barnes, and a player sold for a healthy profit out of that 150 million, a lot of it was actually very good spend, Chelsea for context sake spent 105 million on Enzo Ferndandes 

 

A massive part in all of this that is hard to speak about is the rate we are able to improve at v the rate a lot of sides around us are. 

 

With PSR very few clubs can spend £150m per year though. So it is a lot in this day and age. And obviously that has had a huge impact for us, both on this years and the next few windows spending power.

[JEToon]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

With PSR very few clubs can spend £150m per year though. So it is a lot in this day and age. And obviously that has had a huge impact for us, both on this years and the next few windows spending power.

 

It is a lot yes, but it gets referenced like it was terrible spend, and it wasn't 

[timeEd32]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

The transfer window where we bought a load of class players is more responsible for our slump than the one where we signed fuck all, is it? Come on, man.  Take your 23/24 transfer window dartboard down now, it's knackered. 

 

I agree with a lot of what you said, particularly this expectation that we should continually overachieve.

 

But the decisions we made in summer 2023 are why we had to panic sell in June and then had little to no money to spend. Eddie wouldn't be the first or second person I'd blame for that, but he does need to figure out how to get a clearly talented £55m player in the team.

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

It is a lot yes, but it gets referenced like it was terrible spend, and it wasn't 

 

The idea last summer was to get us ready for CL, but it didn't work that way because of all the injuries. In hindsight it's fair to argue that it might have been short sighted to buy expensive players for squad depth, but we were ofcourse very unlucky with Barnes and Tonali. With our current situation those signings doesn't look that great anymore. Maybe there was a bigger picture to be seen last summer.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Erikse