Eddie Howe

[Froggy]

25 minutes ago, 54 said:

In today's absolutely wild tweet:

 

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

[Wandy]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

 

For a start he says that Man Utd have "way more resources", which is completely untrue. The opposite is the case, in reality.

 

Isn't it Man U fans who are dishing out the flack? Red Cafe seem to collectively want him gone now.

[Kid Icarus]

I would imagine it's because Man United bullying the bottom half of the league or scraping wins leaves less of a positive impression on the people watching than the negative impression that's left seeing them get ragdolled most times they play anyone decent.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[TheBrownBottle]

15 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

‘Way more resources’ for a start.  Sorry, when did that happen?  Man Utd love FFP for a reason. 

[gbandit]

Man U have looked awful in 80%+ of their games. I imagine that’s the main factor for why people are on his back

[Checko]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

I wouldn't say Newcastle had way more resources than Man U personally. Don't think you could compare the budgets and experience levels of players last year.

 

[for the record I think ten Hag is obviously no mug and Man U's board should just back him and get rid of the players he doesn't like. In return ten Hag should ditch the flat cap and stop trying to look like a coke baron who's bought a big country house and claimed he's gone straight].

 

Also I think some of the criticism of Goldbridge is that fact that he's part of this media hysteria. It gets him clicks. A very brief google search and a couple of recent videos:

 

GOLDBRIDGE - GRAHAM POTTER TO REPLACE TEN HAG?!? (13 hours ago)

 

 

The END Of Erik Ten Hag? ft. Mark Goldbridge - (not his channel but still agreed to be part of it) (9 days ago)

 

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples. Bullshit clickbait gets clicks. Clicks are money. He is part of that.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, gbandit said:

Man U have looked awful in 80%+ of their games. I imagine that’s the main factor for why people are on his back

Hasn’t he took something like one point in 18 months from top half sides away from home?  Something crazy like that?

[Froggy]

14 minutes ago, Wandy said:

For a start he says that Man Utd have "way more resources", which is completely untrue. The opposite is the case, in reality.

 

He says Newcastle have way more resources, but this point is irrelevant anyway given FFP. You can't spend the way you want to yet.

 

14 minutes ago, Wandy said:

Isn't it Man U fans who are dishing out the flack? Red Cafe seem to collectively want him gone now.

 

Speaking to fans I know, no this isn't the case at all. Things need to improve, but most still back Ten Hag. There's a plethora of reasons why things have gone wrong this season. Despite all this, we are still in touch or ahead of teams considered to be our rivals this season.

 

Things aren't going to get any better soon, given the injuries. We're heading to Anfield on Sunday without Fernandes, Casemiro, Eriksen, Maguire, Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof, Mount, Malacia, Martial and Rashford. I'm not the biggest fan of some of these players, but we've literally zero options off the bench now.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Froggy

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Hasn’t he took something like one point in 18 months from top half sides away from home?  Something crazy like that?

 

Yes, extremely poor form against the better sides away from home.  Do you give up on a manager for this reason 1.5 seasons in, when he has delivered 3rd place and a trophy? Not for me.

 

He's slowly weeding out the lazy, overpaid players. Let him have his rebuild and back the manager. If it fails, we're not worse than where we were before and we go again.

 

There was a debate on here about being patient/impatient with managers. Calling for a managers head after 18 months is madness, especially with what he delivered in the first 12.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Yes, extremely poor form against the better sides away from home.  Do you give up on a manager for this reason 1.5 seasons in, when he has delivered 3rd place and a trophy? Not for me.

 

He's slowly weeding out the lazy, overpaid players. Let him have his rebuild and back the manager. If it fails, we're not worse than where we were before and we go again.

 

There was a debate on here about being patient/impatient with managers. Calling for a managers head after 18 months is madness, especially with what he delivered in the first 12.

Froggy, don’t get us wrong here. We want nothing more than for you lot to keep him and buy more of his favourites. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Froggy, don’t get us wrong here. We want nothing more than for you lot to keep him and buy more of his favourites. 

 

[mondonewc]

29 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

The best win ratio stat is fucking mind-blowing, I see it's somehow actually true but I can't comprehend how lol...

[Froggy]

Just now, mondonewc said:

The best win ratio stat is fucking mind-blowing, I see it's somehow actually true but I can't comprehend how lol...

 

It won't be the case in a few weeks, he'll fall behind Fergie. But you'd think he's like Rangnick sitting there with a 30% ratio. Ten Hag gets ludicrous disrespect.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

It won't be the case in a few weeks, he'll fall behind Fergie. But you'd think he's like Rangnick sitting there with a 30% ratio. Ten Hag gets ludicrous disrespect.

 

Isn't it because Man Utd usually look pretty bad? Results are one thing, performances and direction of travel are another. 

 

Admittedly I don't watch them every week.

[mondonewc]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

It won't be the case in a few weeks, he'll fall behind Fergie. But you'd think he's like Rangnick sitting there with a 30% ratio. Ten Hag gets ludicrous disrespect.

Ferguson's was 48% after 100 games, REAL FUCKING SHAME you didn't sack him 

[jonny1403]

37 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What has he said that's wrong though?  He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far.

 

The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot.  It's all a bit mental.

 

He is trying to suggest, with seemingly no irony, that it is an achievement that last year Man U finished above a Newcastle side that was battling relegation in the previous season. It's an absolutely insane/deluded take.

[jonny1403]

13 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Yes, extremely poor form against the better sides away from home.  Do you give up on a manager for this reason 1.5 seasons in, when he has delivered 3rd place and a trophy? Not for me.

 

He's slowly weeding out the lazy, overpaid players. Let him have his rebuild and back the manager. If it fails, we're not worse than where we were before and we go again.

 

There was a debate on here about being patient/impatient with managers. Calling for a managers head after 18 months is madness, especially with what he delivered in the first 12.

 

Weeding out the lazy overpaid players while bringing in Mason Mount and Antony ffs 

[TheBrownBottle]

15 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Yes, extremely poor form against the better sides away from home.  Do you give up on a manager for this reason 1.5 seasons in, when he has delivered 3rd place and a trophy? Not for me.

 

He's slowly weeding out the lazy, overpaid players. Let him have his rebuild and back the manager. If it fails, we're not worse than where we were before and we go again.

 

There was a debate on here about being patient/impatient with managers. Calling for a managers head after 18 months is madness, especially with what he delivered in the first 12.

I’d be donating towards a gold statue of him to be built on Northumberland Street if he’d achieved that here.  But it’s Man Utd, not Newcastle.  

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Isn't it because Man Utd usually look pretty bad? Results are one thing, performances and direction of travel are another. 

 

Admittedly I don't watch them every week.

 

We usually start games very well, and we've had a lot of really bad luck when it has come to games this season. For example, we were by far the better side against Spurs and Brighton, conceded and then were robbed with two major decisions. Instead of being able to dust down and go again, we have the same players we've had for years who's heads drop and down tools. The same players that threw numerous top class managers under the bus before.

 

I'd prefer Ten Hag to get the chance to build his own team. In another year or 18 months, if we're playing like we are now then of course I'd be looking for a change.

 

3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Weeding out the lazy overpaid players while bringing in Mason Mount and Antony ffs 

 

Antony has been playing very well lately. Mount has been struggling with injuries. 

 

I personally think Antony is very average, but this isn't the point. He works hard, as does Mount. Their attitudes are right.

[The College Dropout]

2 pages of entertaining Froggy’s nonsense. Well done lads. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’d be donating towards a gold statue of him to be built on Northumberland Street if he’d achieved that here.  But it’s Man Utd, not Newcastle.  

 

This is what a lot of our fans, and clearly opposition fans need to understand though. We're not Man United in the 90's and 00's. It's not the same club and it's not the same team.

 

Expectations need to be tempered.

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

2 pages of entertaining Froggy’s nonsense. Well done lads. 

 

Of all the people to come out with this.

[jonny1403]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We usually start games very well, and we've had a lot of really bad luck when it has come to games this season. For example, we were by far the better side against Spurs and Brighton, conceded and then were robbed with two major decisions. Instead of being able to dust down and go again, we have the same players we've had for years who's heads drop and down tools. The same players that threw numerous top class managers under the bus before.

 

I'd prefer Ten Hag to get the chance to build his own team. In another year or 18 months, if we're playing like we are now then of course I'd be looking for a change.

 

 

Antony has been playing very well lately. Mount has been struggling with injuries. 

 

I personally think Antony is very average, but this isn't the point. He works hard, as does Mount. Their attitudes are right.

 

I defend our own players perhaps more than I should at times so I get where you're coming from, and I see they work hard. But overpaid is pretty much the definition of both of those players.

 

I was interested to hear you say Antony's been playing 'very well' given the result last weekend - I checked back and still zero goals or assists all season 

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

This is what a lot of our fans, and clearly opposition fans need to understand though. We're not Man United in the 90's and 00's. It's not the same club and it's not the same team.

 

Expectations need to be tempered.

 

I think the likes of Roy Keane don't help with their "This isn't Burnley, this is Man Utd you're playing for here" bollocks like the club has a divine right to be at the top end of the league.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Of all the people to come out with this.

You don’t even support our club. Your input about our club or me as a poster means absolutely nothing to me. 
 

This is a NUFC forum. Bad faith Man U fan opinions should be ignored. Especially in the Eddie Howe thread. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by The College Dropout