Eddie Howe

[Myleftboot]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

Deep down you don't even believe yourself that it wasn't a Howe signing at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing now, so this is pointless.

Tonali starts in our midfield.

[Ronaldo]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Not sure there's much to level at Howe tonight, we outplayed West Ham in the first half and let in a stupid goal. We played well until they scored the second (against the run of play again) and then we got a bit desperate, started rushing everything and they settled down.

 

I probably wouldn't have played Joelionton on the right mind, I don't understand that one. But I was fully behind the Barnes sub. Haven't seen the second goal back so don't know if Barnes not tracking was a factor.

 

Bringing on Murphy and Wilson is kind of pointless, especially Murphy. But I guess at that point you have to try something. 

We’re 10th. At what point would you be critical of Howe? Behind Ipswich maybe?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Ronaldo said:

We’re 10th. At what point would you be critical of Howe? Behind Ipswich maybe?

 

Would you like to pick a league position for me, so that my opinion can be valid?

[Myleftboot]

Just now, Ronaldo said:

We’re 10th. At what point would you be critical of Howe? Behind Ipswich maybe?

At the end of the season if we are not in Europe I think he’s gone unfortunately.

[80]

14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

One of the reasons I say we look a poorly coached team is that we run out of ideas visibly.  I think most well coached teams keep trying what they’ve been coached to do even if it’s not working well.  We play with a lot of energy and impetus. But when that faded we don’t know what to do. 

I think they run out of confidence in the patterns. There's only so many times you can headbutt a wall before you start doubting the bricks are gonna start tumbling. And, thanks to experience, we fast forward through that confidence drop now compared to how long it would take a year ago.

[Erikse]

4 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Tonali starts in our midfield.

 

I also think he should start, so maybe you are misunderstanding me. I was saying that Howe wanted him badly enough for us to pay £55m for him. So therefore either he should start him, or in the case where he doesn't fit into our system etc, then that's also on him as he was the one who wanted him.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse

[Ronaldo]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Would you like to pick a league position for me, so that my opinion can be valid?

Your opinion is always valid. It’s just usually wrong with admirable intentions.

[Myleftboot]

Still don’t think he was howes signing.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Ronaldo said:

Your opinion is always valid. It’s just usually wrong with admirable intentions.

 

If we'd won to go 6th would it be OK to back him?

 

There's only 4 points between 10th and 3rd, league position right now isn't a factor for me. 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[cubaricho]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Not sure there's much to level at Howe tonight

 

I agree.

 

Bigger picture though, if there was one thing I would change with the club right now (a thing that I can level at Eddie to change), I would want us to be a better team. More than the sum of our parts. We had that a few seasons ago but now we're too reliant on a few purples and if they don't show up (Bruno for much of the first couple of months, Gordon pretty much all season) we aren't as potent and lack a cutting edge up front and if it's someone in defense, like a Schar having a bad match, we're definitely not as solid as we should be. Not long after Eddie came in he had us playing as a unit and playing well above of where we should've been playing with the talent we had on the pitch. I just feel like we have lost that, unfortunately, and it's up to him to bring that back.

[Myleftboot]

1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

I also think he should start, so maybe you are misunderstanding me. I was saying that Howe wanted him badly enough to pay £55m for him. So either he should start him, or in the case where he's not good enough for our system etc, then that's also on him as he was the one who wanted him.

Still don’t think he was a Howe signing.

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Did we have a shot on target or meaningful chance at all in the second half? This is his team, his approach. 

 

Surely you can see that how specific your question is sort of points to what I mean about the reductionism? 

 

Their 2nd goal put the pin in us. With proper finishing from our supposed star players until that point, the game is completely different. Even after that, when they gained confidence and we lost ours, this is how the game looked overall.

 

I couldn't put it any better than these stats tbh. They scored 2 from 0 big chances and we scored 0 from 2 big chances.

 

 

 

 

[Jonas]

When you've a 25man squad,  big chunk of whom aren't premier league quality, you're going to play an Italian international. He plays Longstaff and Murphy regularly which obviously he'd rather not. Not even saying he doesn't rate him just don't think left to his own devices Howe would have signed him.

[ExiledGeordie]

18 minutes ago, midds said:

The future prospects of any manager are always pinned to his players and the results they get, that's just how it works. In the last few years Howe has received an unbelievable amount of praise for how he and his team have performed, he's been the manager and the team have looked good and got the results and he's been the golden boy and rightly so. 

 

I don't think you can just switch that around and give his (currently underperforming) players all of the stick and he walks away without valid criticism, you can't have it both ways. If the players and team are playing poorly but he gets no criticism but if the players and team are playing well then he gets the praise too? I love Eddie and wat him to stay and build big things here but he's not immune from criticism, no manager is. Tonight was a disaster, a total shitshow and he's the bloke in charge. People can, and have, had a pop at Isak and Gordon for their performances but if they're fair game then so is the bloke in charge. He got it wrong tonight and made it worse and worse imo. He's not infallible and he's got to take the lion's share of the responsibility 

His subs at times are a real concern and so far he clearly has no idea how to beat teams playing a certain way at home. Teams that play a low block (and West Ham weren’t exactly even doing that tonight) and we just have no answer to it at the moment. We are terrible at creating and converting chances. 

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Still don’t think he was a Howe signing.

 

Allright, stay ignorant then. I'll leave the quote a second time, just in case.

 

“We pursued him for a long, long time, paid a big fee for him because I fell in love watching him play the game last year."

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, 80 said:

I think they run out of confidence in the patterns. There's only so many times you can headbutt a wall before you start doubting the bricks are gonna start tumbling. And, thanks to experience, we fast forward through that confidence drop now compared to how long it would take a year ago.

I get this. But that’s the intensity and such.  But from a pass and move view, how do we plan on breaking down that low block? I see Tino get into positions high and wide and I just know an awful cross is coming. Do we expect to score from those? He keeps moving wide forwards around - are there particular things they are meant to do in each position?

[The College Dropout]

Having nothing left to give 0-2 down at home to West Ham after 60 mins can’t be used in defence of the manager. 

[Ronaldo]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Surely you can see that how specific your question is sort of points to what I mean about the reductionism? 

 

Their 2nd goal put the pin in us. With proper finishing from our supposed star players until that point, the game is completely different. Even after that, when they gained confidence and we lost ours, this is how the game looked overall.

 

I couldn't put it any better than these stats tbh. They scored 2 from 0 big chances and we scored 0 from 2 big chances.

 

 

 

 

It means very little to me that. We were abject in the second half. Our style of play is one dimensional and completely reliant on winning by attrition and taking advantage of winning the ball deep in the opponents area. We have a player on the bench that would start for the vast majority of CL teams but the manager can’t figure out a way to integrate him in our style. All of it just comes back to a lack of flexibility.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Having nothing left to give 0-2 down at home to West Ham after 60 mins can’t be used in defence of the manager. 

Yes it can, cheers 

[Myleftboot]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Allright, stay ignorant then. I'll leave the quote a second time, just in case.

 

“We pursued him for a long, long time, paid a big fee for him because I fell in love watching him play the game last year."

 I bet you believe your lass when she says your the biggest she’s ever had.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Myleftboot

[Jonas]

Can't believe we persued Tonali for a long time. Probably would have been a non-starter had we not qualiied for the CL and he signed a couple month later.

 

[The College Dropout]

Tonali is 100% a Howe signing. He is a Howe player in style.  He just doesn’t fit the team at RCM. 

 

The more I see him the more I think Gordon isn’t well suited to the team either. He was just individually excellent.  I don’t think he has any good relationships with other players. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Howe's not immune to the kind of thinking that permeates football - 'we won more when playing Longstaff' and all that kind of shit. He's human. 

 

What I want him to do most is make a decision on a team for a few weeks (which IMO must include Tonali) and give it some time to breathe. 

 

There's no reason at all why Tonali can't play RCM or CM for us, he can do anything we ask him to do.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Theregulars]

The following are valid questions based on this season:

 

1. why doesn’t he know the best eleven?

2. Why can’t he work out how to involve tonali?

3. Why can’t we cross?

4. What’s happened to our finishing?

5. Why are so many key players not performing?

6. What happened to intensity, given no Europe?

7. Why do we so frequently fail to pass it to our own players?

8. Why are our set pieces so predictably awful?

9. Why has it become so easy to score against us from set pieces?

10. Why has our transfer policy resulted in a squad of squad players?

 

I significantly and seriously want him to succeed but we’re not good enough this season and he doesn’t come across like he’s got the answer.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

It means very little to me that. We were abject in the second half. Our style of play is one dimensional and completely reliant on winning by attrition and taking advantage of winning the ball deep in the opponents area. We have a player on the bench that would start for the vast majority of CL teams but the manager can’t figure out a way to integrate him in our style. All of it just comes back to a lack of flexibility.

Last year we weren’t great at the attritional attacking either. But the lads could always score. Isak and particularly Gordon are not as devastating. Wilson scored when he was fit too.