Eddie Howe

[Bellis80]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Burn has been a collosus at centre half this season and deserve to start there once Hall is back up and running. 

I agree. But I meant he’ll play Burn left back ahead of Hall rather than leaving out two of Schar, Thiaw and Botman.

[macphisto]

28 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I'm far less sentimental than most, and wouldn't be too bothered if he was sacked in the name of improvement. I support NUFC, not the Eddie Howe show. However, I have been guilty of doubting him in the past and he has proved me wrong every time. Coincidentally, the last time I thought we should have considered replacing him was when he persisted with BDB at left back and made us school-boy easy to beat.

He has far too much credit in the bank to consider sacking him now and deserves the time to turn it around, and I sincerely hope he does. How that happens i've no idea.

When you say turn it around, do you mean this season or a chance to go again next season with an overhaul? I only ask as I've seen the phrase used a few times. 

 

I don't expect too much this season, I hope I'm wrong, so for me whatever happens this season he's got a free pass. The spotlight is then on those above to properly plan and recruit in the summer before I'd judge Howe next season. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Bellis80 said:

I agree. But I meant he’ll play Burn left back ahead of Hall rather than leaving out two of Schar, Thiaw and Botman.

Let's see about that first, we don't know what he will do. Lewis Hall has been absent for a long time and slowly getting him back up to speed is the correct play imo. 

[Stuy_O]

Eddie has been the most loved and praised Newcastle manager probably since Keegan, maybe even more so. 
 
He’s not beyond criticism when results are poor and performances even poorer. 

 

[Bellis80]

We don’t know what he’ll do now but I never bought into the thinking he was easing Hall in the first season we had him. He just preferred Burn there and i’m not convinced that has changed.

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

We don’t know what he’ll do now but I never bought into the thinking he was easing Hall in the first season we had him. He just preferred Burn there and i’m not convinced that has changed.

 

Based on what?

[Holmesy]

Just now, macphisto said:

When you say turn it around, do you mean this season or a chance to go again next season with an overhaul? I only ask as I've seen the phrase used a few times. 

 

I don't expect too much this season, I hope I'm wrong, so for me whatever happens this season he's got a free pass. The spotlight is then on those above to properly plan and recruit in the summer before I'd judge Howe next season. 

I think he's earned the right to have one poor season, so we have to give him the chance to overhaul and go again next season.

And I have no doubt that without European football to contend with, we'd have another great campaign (assuming we don't get a European place). But that raises another question - is he capable of leading us to success in the PL while balancing the additional fixtures that CL or EL football brings? This is the second time our league form has suffered when we've been in the CL. 

[macphisto]

3 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I think he's earned the right to have one poor season, so we have to give him the chance to overhaul and go again next season.

And I have no doubt that without European football to contend with, we'd have another great campaign (assuming we don't get a European place). But that raises another question - is he capable of leading us to success in the PL while balancing the additional fixtures that CL or EL football brings? This is the second time our league form has suffered when we've been in the CL. 

Interesting point, my only criticism of Howe this season is that I would have binned the League Cup early and concentrated on the League and Champions League. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, macphisto said:

Interesting point, my only criticism of Howe this season is that I would have binned the League Cup early and concentrated on the League and Champions League. 

I would ordinarily agree with this but we are defending champions so I think giving it our best shot defending it has been the correct play. 

 

That being said, I don't think our poor performances can be explained away by tiredness. 

[Zero]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I would ordinarily agree with this but we are defending champions so I think giving it our best shot defending it has been the correct play. 

 

That being said, I don't think our poor performances can be explained away by tiredness. 

yea it’s not fatigue, definitely not. Thats why I suspect it’s intentional.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2025 by Zero

[Bellis80]

12 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Based on what?

When Hall has been out before it’s taken someone else being out to get him back him, he’s never come straight back. He could have played Krafth and Trippier left back rather than Burn and hasn’t done it. Burn has had similar spells at left back when he’s been awful for 3/4 games on the bounce and he stuck with him.

 

If we’re basing it on what has happened in the past there is more to suggest Burn will stay there than Hall coming back in I think.

[Fak]

4 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

When Hall has been out before it’s taken someone else being out to get him back him, he’s never come straight back. He could have played Krafth and Trippier left back rather than Burn and hasn’t done it. Burn has had similar spells at left back when he’s been awful for 3/4 games on the bounce and he stuck with him.

 

If we’re basing it on what has happened in the past there is more to suggest Burn will stay there than Hall coming back in I think.

 

When Hall is fit he'll be our number 1 left back. 

[Thumbheed]

We've had this exact same discussion every year under Howe. 

[Bellis80]

6 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

When Hall is fit he'll be our number 1 left back. 

I think he should be. I don’t think he’d play if everyone was fit and he could pick his strongest team though.

[huss9]

16 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

You were not alone re screaming at the TV wanting Burn subbed. Could see it coming a mile off! 
 

 

 

 

that was every single fan I know.

i think thats where the anger towards Eddie has come from more than the result and performance itself.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

I would go as far as unless we finished lower than 17 in the league table, Howe can do whatever he wants to rebuild the team. What he needs is trust and funds from the management.

 

This isn't directed at you Zero but I see a lot of comments on rebuilding the team and working with what he inherited. Personally I think that narrative needs to stop.

 

Pope/Ramsdale

Trippier

Burn/Hall

Thiaw

Botman

Tonali/Miley

Bruno

Joe/Ramsey

Murphy/Elanga

Barnes/Little Joe

Wolt

 

That's 17 players used on Sunday, the 3 in bold are the only ones who were inherited. The rest are his buys.

Tino, Gordon, Wissa to come back - all Howe men. Schar another inherited who is in and around being a starter.

 

This is Howe's squad now. I posted a while back that his challenge is in rebuilding the house that Howe built as his generals (Pope, Schar, Burn, Trippier, Big Joe) all begin to lose the fight with mother time. In one way or another all those who have been instrumental in the past 4 years are beginning to have a negative impact on the team and he needs to work out the right way of either ripping off the bandage or slowly phasing them out. He's in a bit of no mans land on that atm - yes largely injury related with Trips and Burn at FB but as has been said before we can't carry 4 or 5 of these players at the same time (but of course accepting that on any given day they are all capable of a monster performance just not on a regular basis any more).

 

There's not many managers who manage to build multiple successful teams at the same club

[Decky]

48 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

We don’t know what he’ll do now but I never bought into the thinking he was easing Hall in the first season we had him. He just preferred Burn there and i’m not convinced that has changed.

 

Hall was starting there until he got injured last season, and was one of our best players.

 

Edit: ah you mean the first season.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2025 by Decky

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

This isn't directed at you Zero but I see a lot of comments on rebuilding the team and working with what he inherited. Personally I think that narrative needs to stop.

 

Pope/Ramsdale

Trippier

Burn/Hall

Thiaw

Botman

Tonali/Miley

Bruno

Joe/Ramsey

Murphy/Elanga

Barnes/Little Joe

Wolt

 

That's 17 players used on Sunday, the 3 in bold are the only ones who were inherited. The rest are his buys.

Tino, Gordon, Wissa to come back - all Howe men. Schar another inherited who is in and around being a starter.

 

This is Howe's squad now. I posted a while back that his challenge is in rebuilding the house that Howe built as his generals (Pope, Schar, Burn, Trippier, Big Joe) all begin to lose the fight with mother time. In one way or another all those who have been instrumental in the past 4 years are beginning to have a negative impact on the team and he needs to work out the right way of either ripping off the bandage or slowly phasing them out. He's in a bit of no mans land on that atm - yes largely injury related with Trips and Burn at FB but as has been said before we can't carry 4 or 5 of these players at the same time (but of course accepting that on any given day they are all capable of a monster performance just not on a regular basis any more).

 

There's not many managers who manage to build multiple successful teams at the same club

Good post and as your a money man I'll give you another. 

 

We hang on to players for far too long. I estimate we will get zero back on the following players 

 

Wilson - cost 20m let go for free. 

Pope - cost 12m and unlikely to recoup. 

Burn - cost 13m unlikely to recoup 

Tripper - cost 13m unlikely to recoup. 

 

The issue im attempting to highlight is these players cost money, we aren't getting anything back for them and to replace them will cost money again. When you factor in the average purchase price for players we buy it isn't pretty. 

[Bellis80]

Aye. I would never leave Hall out if he was fit but i’m not sure the manager is as keen.

[Holmesy]

9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Good post and as your a money man I'll give you another. 

 

We hang on to players for far too long. I estimate we will get zero back on the following players 

 

Wilson - cost 20m let go for free. 

Pope - cost 12m and unlikely to recoup. 

Burn - cost 13m unlikely to recoup 

Tripper - cost 13m unlikely to recoup. 

 

The issue im attempting to highlight is these players cost money, we aren't getting anything back for them and to replace them will cost money again. When you factor in the average purchase price for players we buy it isn't pretty. 

I think this goes back to the point of Eddie being too stubborn and loyal - in some cases it seems he'd rather hang on to players that know his system, way of playing and have the right personality traits than let them go and risk bringing in someone new, which leaves us with diminishing players who have no value. That's something a DoF should be responsible for - convincing him to move players on before they hit the decline and identifying replacements who can fit straight in

[r0cafella]

Just now, Holmesy said:

I think this goes back to the point of Eddie being too stubborn and loyal - in some cases it seems he'd rather hang on to players that know his system, way of playing and have the right personality traits than let them go and risk bringing in someone new, which leaves us with diminishing players who have no value. That's something a DoF should be responsible for - convincing him to move players on before they hit the decline and identifying replacements who can fit straight in

It's a very difficult balancing act without a doubt, it's just an area I think we have to improve on. If we want to achieve our goals we have to be flawless at all levels unfortunately   

[huss9]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It's a very difficult balancing act without a doubt, it's just an area I think we have to improve on. If we want to achieve our goals we have to be flawless at all levels unfortunately   

it is also dependant on us getting decent offers for them in the first place.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

18 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Good post and as your a money man I'll give you another. 

 

We hang on to players for far too long. I estimate we will get zero back on the following players 

 

Wilson - cost 20m let go for free. 

Pope - cost 12m and unlikely to recoup. 

Burn - cost 13m unlikely to recoup 

Tripper - cost 13m unlikely to recoup. 

 

The issue im attempting to highlight is these players cost money, we aren't getting anything back for them and to replace them will cost money again. When you factor in the average purchase price for players we buy it isn't pretty. 

 

Funnily enough, as a money man I have no issue with getting next to nothing back for Pope, Burn, Trippier. They were bought fully in the knowledge that we would get very little cash back and they have more than repaid those fees.

 

Wilson we definitely kept hold off for too long, but with his injuries in the last 2 years how much we could have recouped is up for debate.

 

The likes of Big and Little Joe stand out more in holding onto for too long. I'd also argue (with hindsight obviously) that we should have flipped Gordon at peak value.

 

Scrambling after that tbh, the get out is the state of the squad 4 years ago but a different manager/DoF combo would have recycled through some of the newer signings more aggressively

[Abacus]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Good post and as your a money man I'll give you another. 

 

We hang on to players for far too long. I estimate we will get zero back on the following players 

 

Wilson - cost 20m let go for free. 

Pope - cost 12m and unlikely to recoup. 

Burn - cost 13m unlikely to recoup 

Tripper - cost 13m unlikely to recoup. 

 

The issue im attempting to highlight is these players cost money, we aren't getting anything back for them and to replace them will cost money again. When you factor in the average purchase price for players we buy it isn't pretty. 

 

I don't think we can be a buy and sell club like that, otherwise you're never going to challenge.

 

You need a mix of youth, smart buys and and experience. Personally I think all those players have paid back their fees and fit the experience category.

 

Wilson - signed under Ashley, wouldn't have got a striker like that or who scored as much for £20m. Possibly could and should have been sold earlier under Howe though, if that's your point.

Pope - Absolutely a key part of the team until injury 

Burn - Superb in the right position and won us a cup

Trippier - Just apart from leadership, kept us up and then a CL charge.

 

Whether we get nothing back for any of them is irrelevant. Wilson is more debatable.

 

When you're starting from such a low base you need players like the rest though.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2025 by Abacus

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

Funnily enough, as a money man I have no issue with getting next to nothing back for Pope, Burn, Trippier. They were bought fully in the knowledge that we would get very little cash back and they have more than repaid those fees.

 

Wilson we definitely kept hold off for too long, but with his injuries in the last 2 years how much we could have recouped is up for debate.

 

The likes of Big and Little Joe stand out more in holding onto for too long. I'd also argue (with hindsight obviously) that we should have flipped Gordon at peak value.

 

Scrambling after that tbh, the get out is the state of the squad 4 years ago but a different manager/DoF combo would have recycled through some of the newer signings more aggressively

Those were just 4 examples chosen due to probability of us not making a profit on them. Other examples exist as you've highlighted. 

 

I do hope we have it within us to be ruthless and keep pushing forward.