Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, nufc4eva said:

Or should he just prioritise some competitions and bow out the other 2 if doesn't have the squad for it. I would have been fine dropping out of 1 of them

Not for me - I’m not going to criticise an NUFC manager for having a crack in the cups.  We spent enough years not trying.  You do have to carefully manage the squad when doing that, though. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

yea when we are left with EPL competition only, and he can held his training session again.

 

Howe is the type of manager that needs these extra training sessions for the players. Good or bad - he can make the players playing above their capacity if properly trained, while he also doesn’t have the game management skills we are talking about to cover things up when we don’t have these training sessions due to heavy schedule.

 

I know it sounds a bit silly but can the club or Howe can hire a coach that is excellent in advising him on game management?

 

I'll never get the tone of this right so won't try, but our approach is very coached and he could do with giving players a little more freedom when he hasn't got time on the training ground.

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

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Wait a fucking minute. They can’t play tonight? So why they are on the bench?

 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

I'll never get the tone of this right so won't try, but our approach is very coached and he could do with giving players a little more freedom when he hasn't got time on the training ground.

I do wonder if some of the squad have the footballing intelligence if they need to be drilled so bloody much.  

[nufc4eva]

2 minutes ago, Rod said:

Eh?

He waited until we were 3-1 down to bring strikers on, simple enough? And change formation to 442. Our tactics and formation didn't work from 35 mins on and only had 2 shots on target all game. It's not that fucking hard to understand. 

[Rod]

5 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The euphoria of getting rid of Ashley and the what followed was amazing but the league’s machinations to stop us succeeding was one of the most blatant abuses of power I’ve ever seen. And yet we’re the only ones talking about it funnily enough. ‘Level playing field’ is an absolute joke. 
When you know the game is rigged, what’s the point?! Exciting football and continued progress to stick two fingers up to the cartel and their enablers would probably keep me interested but it feels like the only way that happens is if we hire an elite manager (which they would probably find a way to block) and do something left field with regards to player recruitment, which won’t happen with Eddie here. And that probably feeds into my feelings towards him. 
As things stand, their plan is working. We’ll remain in our place and it’s both incredibly frustrating and boring as fuck. 

I skim read that. Lads you know the rules right? A couple of lines at the most and you MUST slag off at least two of our players AND the manager. I get slagged off a lot by the way.

[Geordie Ahmed]

6 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

this is exactly where I am at. But people have this weird "you need to be ruthless" idea, which gets very old. I do appreciate a sense of loyalty and rewarding someone for doing an excellent job up until this point. The world is full of ruthless win at all cost cunts. It's nice to have some decency. And there are way too many cunts in football. So yeah. someo of you might be happy with a terrible cunt who wins things, but fuck that. We have someone who is very good at his job, has us punching above our weight by some distance overall, and isn't a cunt. It's a really good position to be in.

Spot on

 

Those wanting us to be ruthless are asking for us to be like Chelsea when it comes to their managers and I find the thought of that absolutely abhorrent 

 

Before anyone comments I'm not saying we should back a manager blindly but if a manager has a body of work that deserves support then I'm happy to offer it.

 

It's not like when Bruce was manager or McClaren, it was clear they were shit and out of their depth and wanting them sacked was the right thing to do.

 

And Howe has been incredible for us, if this is an underwhelming season (which is mad considering it's end of Jan and we are still in 4 competitions) then he can have that and I'm sure work relentlessly in the summer to make sure next season the performances and results are much more consistent 

[Sir Joel Inton]

Just now, Geordie Ahmed said:

Those wanting us to be ruthless are asking for us to be like Chelsea when it comes to their managers and I find the thought of that absolutely abhorrent 

 

Where has anyone suggested that?

[Rod]

Just now, nufc4eva said:

He waited until we were 3-1 down to bring strikers on, simple enough? And change formation to 442. Our tactics and formation didn't work from 35 mins on and only had 2 shots on target all game. It's not that fucking hard to understand. 

You've never played a game of football in your life have you? Oh bless you. Just mimick what the others are saying around you and you will fit in. 😉

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

 

Those wanting us to be ruthless are asking for us to be like Chelsea when it comes to their managers and I find the thought of that absolutely abhorrent 

I’d happily sack managers regularly if I thought we’d achieve what Chelsea has.   They’re the most successful English club side this century. 

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Wasn't it the thing to criticize coaches for not prioritizing all competitions back in the day? Guarantee that some would criticize Howe if he did. I mean, weren't some highly critical of the PSG starting lineup?

 

 

 

I always think we should give up the League Cup when we are having Euro completion. Not only to Newcastle, but all the teams that qualify for Europe.

 

Other than League Cup we should be trying all of them. The two leg format really makes League Cup the worst in terms of “cost-efficiency”. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Where has anyone suggested that?

Because if you are going to be "ruthless" then we'll be sacking a lot of managers because there isn't a manager out there that always delivers their remit season after season

 

Unless I've got this ruthlessness totally wrong and it's meant to be something else????

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Where has anyone suggested that?

I have seen a fair few say that they’d be happy with a cunt who wins things. Brownbottle for one? Sorry, if I am misremembering..

[Colos Short and Curlies]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I do wonder if some of the squad have the footballing intelligence if they need to be drilled so bloody much.  

 

He's a Pep lite in that he drills systems into players rather than building systems around them.

 

In some ways he would be the perfect example on where after getting sacked a new manager comes in, goes back to basics and gets a good new boss bounce just by freeing them up.

 

I also think when things aren't going well the drilled nature plays on players minds in game and causes basic slip ups.

 

Bit of course when it works it's bloody brilliant 

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’d happily sack managers regularly if I thought we’d achieve what Chelsea has.   They’re the most successful English club side this century. 

And a lot of that success was when they spent the most, we aren't that club or anywhere near it so we'd just be sacking managers without the success to show for it

[Chapo]

Honestly think he's the only person that's keeping our head above water. We significantly downgraded our first eleven in the summer which had been the main cause of our form imo. He may be responsible for the buying poor and selling of Isak but he shouldn't have been. The chancers above him are the problem 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Zero said:

I always think we should give up the League Cup when we are having Euro completion. Not only to Newcastle, but all the teams that qualify for Europe.

 

Other than League Cup we should be trying all of them. The two leg format really makes League Cup the worst in terms of “cost-efficiency”. 

Yes, I also think we should avoid the potential for days like we had last year, the best day of my life as a fan, to ensure that we’re at 100% for matches against the likes of Qarabag

[ryanegg]

15 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Whilst that is probably his remit if he misses it for a season is there no grace for him?

 

What is the remit for Pep? To win the league or at the very least challenge for it? Why didn't City get rid of him in 2019-20? Or in 2024-25?

 

Same can probably be said for all managers

 

He has done enough good work that for me he gets grace for a season, and I don't think this season is as bad as some are making it out to be

Only because a lot of teams around us are having shit seasons too. Or you could maybe say the playing field has levelled. 
 

For me, it’s the inconsistency. We can look world beaters on our day. The next we are laughable. Big Nick has regressed so much. When he first joined, I was excited at every touch. Tonight I was dreading those same touches.  Has he just turned shit? Or is this because he’s being told not to play his natural game in a system that doesn’t suit him?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I have seen a fair few say that they’d be happy with a cunt who wins things. Brownbottle for one? Sorry, if I am misremembering..

Yes; I would.  Provided it was guaranteed!   Which it isn’t.  I’m very much ‘Howe in’. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

And a lot of that success was when they spent the most, we aren't that club or anywhere near it so we'd just be sacking managers without the success to show for it

Agreed  - I’m just saying that I couldn’t give a shite about sentiment re managers if it is the right thing for the club.  I don’t think sacking Howe would be the right thing for the club. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yes; I would.  Provided it was guaranteed!   Which it isn’t.  I’m very much ‘Howe in’. 

Glad my memory is still sharp. But I know that you aren’t the only one who has said that. 

 

 

Edited January 31 by Vinny Green Balls

[nufc4eva]

2 minutes ago, Rod said:

You've never played a game of football in your life have you? Oh bless you. Just mimick what the others are saying around you and you will fit in. 😉

Oh played plenty over last 35ish years mate, watched a fuck load of football in my 46 years on this planet as well. I understand football all to well but it looks desperate, I know not just strikers and ball needs to be moved through the lines etc but it's happened quite a lot, always after the game has gone

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Chapo said:

Honestly think he's the only person that's keeping our head above water. We significantly downgraded our first eleven in the summer which had been the main cause of our form imo. He may be responsible for the buying poor and selling of Isak but he shouldn't have been. The chancers above him are the problem 

 

He's had pretty great support tbh, don't think you can blame those above. The DOF position was left high and dry so that was a gaffe, but they've generally tried to recruit best in class. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, ryanegg said:

Only because a lot of teams around us are having shit seasons too. Or you could maybe say the playing field has levelled. 
 

For me, it’s the inconsistency. We can look world beaters on our day. The next we are laughable. Big Nick has regressed so much. When he first joined, I was excited at every touch. Tonight I was dreading those same touches.  Has he just turned shit? Or is this because he’s being told not to play his natural game in a system that doesn’t suit him?

I was referring to the season as a whole rather than just the league

 

The league absolutely has been underwhelming but it's end of Jan and we are still in all 4 competitions, how many clubs can say that? Just City and Arsenal 

 

And they are the only 2 clubs with longer serving managers than ours and also much higher spend (both for signings and wages)

[Zero]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yes, I also think we should avoid the potential for days like we had last year, the best day of my life as a fan, to ensure that we’re at 100% for matches against the likes of Qarabag

yea I know that’s the proper response. 
 

Agree or disagree, my point is if we have ECL for that season, we should give up the league cup. If not, just UEFA league, then fine.

 

its simply the schedule and the level of competition is too demanding. Probably  a few more training sessions for Howe could already make us a lot better on the pitch.