TRon Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: In hindsight - that was an awful decision. Even if his team is influential - the club need a neutral-ish figure to make sensible decisions. It became apparent early, that it was a shitshow. I still don't think we have the people in power to convince top players to join. I'm a tired voice on this but it sounds like Staveley was great at selling the project. Managed to sign several players with high reputations that might have waited it out. We are now getting beat to transfers by Paris FC. I thought Mitchell made some valid comments but he went about things tgeh wrong way. He pissed off Eddie. He pissed off Isak. Reports he pissed off a lot of people. It was an awful appointment. To go from the Staveley era to that in one go is crazy and maybe an indication of PIF's thinking? Maybe PIF thought she was too close to the players. Takes some balls to tell your best player to do one for a year on a contract they 100% deserve - maybe he was empowered above? Also - probably just a prick. But yeh - Mr. Wilson let's see. Staveley was also at the helm when we had to sell Minteh and Anderson to balance the books after miscalculating the PSR implications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 If the owners are serious about challenging for top honours by 2030, and its not just soundbite bullshit, then Eddie probably needs to win the FA cup and/or secure CL football for next season. Otherwise I think he'll be gone in May. They'll consider phase 1 of the project completed; avoid relegation, win a trophy, qualify for Europe, grow revenues to c£400m, expand the brand. Now its onto phase 2; new training ground, solid stadium plans announced, top 3-4 finish each season, win cups. If they are serious about delivering phase 2, they'll be ruthless and replace Howe with what they consider to be an elite manager with a proven track record of winning things. All just my opinion of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) But unless we can make a seismic leap forward next season, why would Howe not be the man to lead us? We can't become Man City next season because of PSR. It will take years and depends much more on finances than anything on the football side. Even the stadium probably won't be sorted for another decade. Edited February 5 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: How do you know with such certainty that Eddie Howe has the responsibility of picking the signings ? Are you on the inside at NUFC, observing the recruitment process ? You do know that a lot of what is written about signings and targets and links and offers and approaches and rebuffs is either totally fabricated, or it's put out there by agents and selling clubs with an agenda don't you ? And a lot is true. We didn't have a DOF. So there's a vacuum there. The reputable sources say transfers were led by Howe 2x and Nickson. And our transfer targets pivoted in direction from the previous active committee (Ashworth, Nickson, Howe 2x) with Ashworth and Nickson leading on negotiations (https://archive.ph/EGJmI). So taking the changing make-up of the commitee (Ashworth gone entirely - 2/3 of the committee being Howe's) and the targets gives credence to the idea this summer was Howe-led. You also listen to Eddie talk about transfers fro the last couple of seasons, what Mitchell said about transfers - both of their histories, and Ashworth too... you can make an educated guess on the influence of each summer window. You can disagree. But I don't think we sign both Wissa & Elanga with Mitchell or Ashworth as DoF. 1 maybe but both at those figures go against the type of approach they've been involved in previously. This approach is much closer to what both Howe's were doing at Bournemouth but with a bigger budget and more experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, 500bhp said: If the owners are serious about challenging for top honours by 2030, and its not just soundbite bullshit, then Eddie probably needs to win the FA cup and/or secure CL football for next season. Otherwise I think he'll be gone in May. They'll consider phase 1 of the project completed; avoid relegation, win a trophy, qualify for Europe, grow revenues to c£400m, expand the brand. Now its onto phase 2; new training ground, solid stadium plans announced, top 3-4 finish each season, win cups. If they are serious about delivering phase 2, they'll be ruthless and replace Howe with what they consider to be an elite manager with a proven track record of winning things. All just my opinion of course! No a lot of that makes sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, ExiledGeordie said: No a lot of that makes sense You either missed a "t" or an " , " I hope it was the former 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TRon said: Staveley was also at the helm when we had to sell Minteh and Anderson to balance the books after miscalculating the PSR implications. Not saying she was perfect. But I think we miss her force of personality - with the fans, with the squad (at least Mitchell era), with PIF and potential transfers too. Her ability to convince and get a deal done. Edited February 5 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: No a lot of that makes 😀 Edited February 5 by 500bhp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: And a lot is true. We didn't have a DOF. So there's a vacuum there. The reputable sources say transfers were led by Howe 2x and Nickson. And our transfer targets pivoted in direction from the previous active committee (Ashworth, Nickson, Howe 2x) with Ashworth and Nickson leading on negotiations (https://archive.ph/EGJmI). So taking the changing make-up of the commitee (Ashworth gone entirely - 2/3 of the committee being Howe's) and the targets gives credence to the idea this summer was Howe-led. You also listen to Eddie talk about transfers fro the last couple of seasons, what Mitchell said about transfers - both of their histories, and Ashworth too... you can make an educated guess on the influence of each summer window. You can disagree. But I don't think we sign both Wissa & Elanga with Mitchell or Ashworth as DoF. 1 maybe but both at those figures go against the type of approach they've been involved in previously. This approach is much closer to what both Howe's were doing at Bournemouth but with a bigger budget and more experience. The point I was making was that you were presenting your personal opinions and theories as if they're facts. They're not facts. They're your opinions. You're not on the inside. Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: The point I was making was that you were presenting your personal opinions and theories as if they're facts. They're not facts. They're your opinions. You're not on the inside. I'm not presenting them as facts. And it is not personal opinion. I'm repeating the best information that we have. The most credible outlets have reported what i've said several times without rebuttal. If we get better information - great. But there is information out there, so I will use it and speak to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 39 minutes ago, 500bhp said: If the owners are serious about challenging for top honours by 2030, and its not just soundbite bullshit, then Eddie probably needs to win the FA cup and/or secure CL football for next season. Otherwise I think he'll be gone in May. They'll consider phase 1 of the project completed; avoid relegation, win a trophy, qualify for Europe, grow revenues to c£400m, expand the brand. Now its onto phase 2; new training ground, solid stadium plans announced, top 3-4 finish each season, win cups. If they are serious about delivering phase 2, they'll be ruthless and replace Howe with what they consider to be an elite manager with a proven track record of winning things. All just my opinion of course! If they think we should be consistently finishing in the top four and winning cups, with the eighth biggest wage bill in the league, then they'll end up burning through a lot of managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 32 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Not saying she was perfect. But I think we miss her force of personality - with the fans, with the squad (at least Mitchell era), with PIF and potential transfers too. Her ability to convince and get a deal done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I do feel like he has a point like. The whole Amanda-Merhdad-Jamie thing was infectious. Seeing them at every game feeling the same as we do. I miss that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, KennyUtd said: I do feel like he has a point like. The whole Amanda-Merhdad-Jamie thing was infectious. Seeing them at every game feeling the same as we do. I miss that. I'm just jesting. There's no doubt they added a human touch to the whole operation, even if at times it could be a bit of a hindrance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I'm not presenting them as facts. And it is not personal opinion. I'm repeating the best information that we have. The most credible outlets have reported what i've said several times without rebuttal. If we get better information - great. But there is information out there, so I will use it and speak to it. Arteta, Chelsea manager, Pep, Slot, Spurs manager, Brighton Manager, Brentford manager, Emery - none of these managers and coaches have the responsibility of picking their signings as Howe did. There’s a good reason for that. The defendant presented opinion as fact. Case closed your honour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Arteta, Chelsea manager, Pep, Slot, Spurs manager, Brighton Manager, Brentford manager, Emery - none of these managers and coaches have the responsibility of picking their signings as Howe did. There’s a good reason for that. The defendant presented opinion as fact. Case closed your honour. You're being dumb pal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You're being dumb pal. No I’m not. You’re making assumptions about how we and other clubs handle recruitment decisions and presenting them as if you have the facts and you know for sure what’s happening on the inside of top flight football clubs. The truth is often what we make of it, you heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe. Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, bobbydazzla said: No I’m not. You’re making assumptions about how we and other clubs handle recruitment and presenting them as if you have the facts. Yes, you are. The point is Howe had near-unparalleled influence over transfers at this level of football. You will struggle to find several elite clubs or top clubs in England with no DOF or a manager with as much influence/control over transfers as Howe did. Even Howe won't have the same level of influence over transfers in the future. It is well-reported. But you are choosing to be dumb. *I forgot Monchi left Villa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I have no knowledge either way but it appeared to me that Mitchell dropped a massive bollock in his opening interview... His main relationships had to be with his boss and the first team coach and basically trashed the second in an instant! He also appeared to me to fuck off at the exact time he needed to do some work, he was like a degree student promising his thesis all year then disappearing on hand in day. Howe may prefer players with premier league experience but there's no way in my opinion that he turns down good players that will fit the club philosophy when presented with them and the metrics behind signing them. There should have been very regular discussions regarding budget, squad shape, future recruitment and they appear not to have happened and for me that is on Mitchell trying to play I'm your boss card instead of managing a very talented colleague. Hope there's enough caveats there to cover this is as an opinion It does annoy me the semi constant narrative that Howe falls out with DoFs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Yes, you are. The point is Howe had near-unparalleled influence over transfers at this level of football. You will struggle to find several elite clubs or top clubs in England with no DOF or a manager with as much influence/control over transfers as Howe did. Even Howe won't have the same level of influence over transfers in the future. It is well-reported. But you are choosing to be dumb. *I forgot Monchi left Villa Yes he probably did but not necessarily by choice! The lazy fat fuck walked out when it was time do some work so others had to roll their sleeves up. Questions just coz I seem to want to scream a void today. Did Mitchell have any targets line up? Why didn't he have a team in place where everyone knew their jobs and responsibilities? How was their such a void in transfers because he left? He'd a year to put all stuff like that in place, my office doesn't go into meltdown when a director leaves... yes people may have to pitch in a bit more but their is still an existing structure. The more I think about it as an outsider the bigger the fraud Mitchell seems to have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I'm not blaming Howe btw. He had too much responsibility and influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Some of the most successful mangers in this country over the last 20 years had pretty much total control over transfers. Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Conte. It can definitely be done, the main issue we have is that the best players don't want to come here as we aren't allowed to pay them the best wages that they can get elsewhere from a cartel club, that's why we end up with Wissa instead ok Ekitike or Elanga instead of Mbeumo. Edited February 5 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 29 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Yes, you are. The point is Howe had near-unparalleled influence over transfers at this level of football. You will struggle to find several elite clubs or top clubs in England with no DOF or a manager with as much influence/control over transfers as Howe did. Even Howe won't have the same level of influence over transfers in the future. It is well-reported. But you are choosing to be dumb. *I forgot Monchi left Villa Nope. The only people who know for sure are the people who work in player recruitment at NUFC. You're being dumb, taking the things you read as gospel. Unless you're on the inside at NUFC, or unless someone at NUFC comes out in public and details the club transfer process, then anything else is just speculation based on reading details in the media. A media that exists to generate clicks, not educate the world on the NUFC transfer process. We didn't have a DOF, that's a fact. The rest is just opinions. And I think speculation and opinion is absolutely fine, just don't present it as fact when you're not party to the facts. Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, Displayname said: Eddie taking us to the CL next season and then accepts an offer for the England job feels like the best case scenario for me atm. This means you want Howe to leave. Same to the other person who said it @Sir Joel Inton who also clutches his pearls when it's suggested he wants Howe to leave. Own it, lads. Edited February 5 by Interpolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Haven't read through the thread so apologies if already discussed, but it was a bit concerning that in his post-match comments last night he was putting blame on the players for not doing their jobs. Surprised he said it tbh, I imagine that sort of thing doesn't go down particularly well with players these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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