Eddie Howe

[Sir Joel Inton]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Wind your neck in man. 

 

Typically insightful response and debate, as ever.

[Kid Icarus]

Not like you to strawman other people's arguments and still fail to tear them down with your own.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Typically insightful response and debate, as ever.

If you've read any of my post you will know that isn't me. 

 

Your just relentless man, we get it you want him gone. 

[Erikse]

12 minutes ago, Begbie said:

Are we really playing 4-3-3 and do we have high press? I know that we used to, but dont think we are anymore. Its more like a 4-5-1 and often low block. We often press 1 maybe 2 at the time which is easy to play around. We are playing man marking where our wingers often doesnt track their man, can maybe say we are playing 4-1-3-2-0 with a winger and a striker not on top or helping out the midfield or close enough to each other.

 

I was responding to a comment saying that we changed formation and tactics going from 22/23 to 23/24.

[Erikse]

30 minutes ago, Heron said:

We often played 5 at the back. Even this season we have played 5 at the back and to good effect.

 

What season? 22/23?

 

 

Edited February 8 by Erikse

[CheikBoom]

29 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Put another way: Wilson will happily chase players like Jacob Ramsey on the manager’s command. Someone like Mitchell would’ve gone his own way and tried to engineer deals for hidden gems like Igor Thiago instead. And yes — Mitchell’s EQ was questionable, he’s got his own skeletons in the closet - but at least he had a clear recruitment vision.

 This is nothing more than personal opinion. Judge Wilson after a summer window, not prior. Just because Eddie Howe has been open to Ross Wilson doesn't instrinsically imply he's a 'yes' man. Infact, take a look at his signings for Forest? Some very good business in there. 

 

Yes, the structure is flawed, but that's not on Eddie Howe to resolve. Yet, he's continually been asked to do this for 2 (?) seasons now. 

 

Eddie Howe has his flaws, but he's carried the burden for this team for far too long. Money doesn't instantly equate to support. 

[Heron]

21/22 and then into 22/23. @Erikse(sorry forgot to quote)

 

 

Edited February 8 by Heron

[pubteam]

3 minutes ago, Lish007 said:

That quote really gets me. I know we haven't been performing well but Eddie is a top human and top coach. The pressure must be immense. 

 

I hope he's okay. I believe he can turn it around. 

 

There's no one i trust more next season to get us back into CL. But to compete on all 4 fronts, we NEED more players. It's tough. The players are knackered. 

 

I thought the 2nd half with Woltemade on pitch, we played some nice football. I thought we didn't play that badly at all! Mistake by pope and we've lost. Plus Trippier, but who else is going to cover RB??? 

I thought that in the second half we played ok, without threatening much. But think some of that is Brentford eased back.

 

we used to be high press monsters, but that football is not sustainable without a deep squad. I think it’s part of the reason you see some teams doing well, then falling off a cliff, high press football puts a lot of pressure on your players and eventually they break. 
 

Eddie has tried to change our play style this season but it’s abundantly obvious we don’t have the players to play a better brand of football as our passing and ability under pressure is terrible.

[Sandrotastico]

Anyway - I hope he figures it out. Just hope he looks wider than only himself to fix what needs work - he looks wrecked of late.

 

[Interpolic]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

If you've read any of my post you will know that isn't me. 

 

Your just relentless man, we get it you want him gone. 

 

And won't admit he does

[Coffee_Johnny]

14 hours ago, The Butcher said:

Fair.

He is such a good man. There’s pride to had had having him steer our club. Really hope he gets a little rub of the green; feels like a lot of stuff has gone against us and ultimately it is Eddie who shoulders the blame. Comes with the big bucks but would be nice to see him (and us) get some luck. 

[Interpolic]

8 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

slagging off and belittling the achievements of club legends.

 

Your position on Howe (a club legend) as of a few days ago is we should effectively keep him on standby in case we can't get anyone better. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

Just now, Interpolic said:

 

And won't admit he does

 

This is genuinely one of the most embarrassing takes I’ve read on this forum to date.

 

Suggesting I’m hiding my true feelings on a subject that I get nothing but slated (and never any actual debate) for. Aye, well done lads, you've got me again  

 

Plenty on here saying they think he should go now, maybe turn your weird herd mentality obsession over to them? 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

And won't admit he does

Another one that doesn't want Howe gone and wants him to prove them wrong, who we all definitely believe.

 

 

Edited February 8 by Kid Icarus

[Sir Joel Inton]

8 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Your position on Howe (a club legend) as of a few days ago is we should effectively keep him on standby in case we can't get anyone better. 

 

If you ignore what I actually said, which was dependent on how he ends the season, yes, we should be considering our options if we finish outside of Europe and there are no green shoots or sign of recovery.

 

 

Edited February 8 by Sir Joel Inton

[Interpolic]

one of the biggest whoppers we've ever had. 

[Erikse]

12 minutes ago, Heron said:

21/22 and then into 22/23. @Erikse(sorry forgot to quote)

 

 

 

 

Burn played at left back the entire season, remember? He certainly didn't play as a wing back in a back 5. It was Burn - Botman - Schar - Trippier right from the start. In 21/22 it was Targett - Burn - Schar - Trippier/Krafth

 

Here's an article from december 2022 on our tactics:

 

https://themastermindsite.com/2022/12/27/eddie-howe-newcastle-united-tactical-analysis-2022-23/

 

"Newcastle have set up in a 4-3-3 shape since the start of Howe’s reign, with only a few minor tweaks to the team that finished inside the top half at the end of last campaign."

 

"Eddie Howe’s men set up to defend from the front in a 4-3-3 shape, that quickly reforms into a 4-5-1. They press high and intense from the front end of the pitch, with compactness between each line. Defenders remain ready to step above their line of engagement to track runners in deep, and various members of the midfield five will also step when the ball reaches their zone. Joe Willock has been the most active in stepping up when deployed in central midfield, but Bruno Guimarães also remains an intense and active presser in stepping up higher than what you would typically expect of a ‘6’."

 

"Eddie Howe has remained tactically flexible, versatile and intelligent with his attacking aspirations ever since taking charge, all the while playing with a fairly rigid set of characteristics."

 

 

Edited February 8 by Erikse

[Sir Joel Inton]

Just now, Interpolic said:

one of the biggest whoppers we've ever had. 

 

As I’ve said before, absolutely no need for personal insults or name calling. It’s perfectly acceptable to have a difference in opinion without resorting to that. 

[Kid Icarus]

Don't think anyone's suggesting you're hiding your true feelings. They're openly on full display.

 

It's only when they're then mentioned that you're somehow incredulous over it. It's bizarre.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, CheikBoom said:

Yes, he's been let down. There's been absolutely zero structure or cohesion above since Stavely left. He's spent practically the last two summers running the club whilst we've had senior staff members leave time and time again. 

 

Financially he's had backing, but please note previous windows where nothing happened despite an aging squad. You can look at the summer in isloation, but Eddie Howe has been failed and expected to pick up the baton on multiple occasions. 

 

 

That's because of PSR. The club has supported him and given him just about everything he's asked for, even to the extent we signed players on the basis we hoped we could sell some in the future to get us in line with PSR. Remember why we had to have a firesale of Anderson and Minteh when no buyers for Bruno came in? Staveley left on the back of that. 

 

We don't make the rules, but we have to abide by them. Maybe selling the womens team to ourselves would kick the can down the road for another year, but ultimately the only way to progress is make more money. That's how football is designed these days. 

[Interpolic]

3 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

As I’ve said before, absolutely no need for personal insults or name calling. It’s perfectly acceptable to have a difference in opinion without resorting to that. 

 

Be as touchy as you like man, you consistently respond with contempt to anyone who has had the temerity to defend one of the best and most dignified individuals in the club's recent history.

 

You appear to have signed up two months ago simply to slag him off. You're gonna get pushback. "Whopper" was extremely charitable. 

[TRon]

49 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Paul Mitchell didn’t “leave”, he was pushed out because his vision clashed with Howe’s. Mitchell wanted a modern structure; Howe wants the manager to have a say in everything. That approach is outdated.

 

In a serious football operation, the manager coaches while the DoF runs recruitment. That model clearly doesn’t suit Howe, which is why Ross Wilson has been installed as a compliant yes-man with no visible long-term plan for squad building or player trading.

 

Put another way: Wilson will happily chase players like Jacob Ramsey on the manager’s command. Someone like Mitchell would’ve gone his own way and tried to engineer deals for hidden gems like Igor Thiago instead. And yes — Mitchell’s EQ was questionable, he’s got his own skeletons in the closet - but at least he had a clear recruitment vision.

 

So no, Howe hasn’t been “failed from above”. He is the structure - and it’s a flawed one.

 

 

 

 

 

This is my fear as well tbh. But I think the club have to basically go with Howe and Wilson and hope they will deliver. The credit in the bank argument gets tiresome, but it's got merit. Unless we have a great structure in place, with the really top guys in recruitment, there's no guarantees any manager will bring success. I have no idea whether Hopkinson or Wilson are the top guys tbh, I just assumed they are...but really who the fuck knows?

 

 

[CheikBoom]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

That's because of PSR. The club has supported him and given him just about everything he's asked for, even to the extent we signed players on the basis we hoped we could sell some in the future to get us in line with PSR. Remember why we had to have a firesale of Anderson and Minteh when no buyers for Bruno came in? Staveley left on the back of that. 

 

We don't make the rules, but we have to abide by them. Maybe selling the womens team to ourselves would kick the can down the road for another year, but ultimately the only way to progress is make more money. That's how football is designed these days. 

Agree with all of this. Football is doing exactly what its supposed to do. Probably plays into why I'm fully behind EH to be honest. 

[LiquidAK]

5 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Be as touchy as you like man, you consistently respond with contempt to anyone who has had the temerity to defend one of the best and most dignified individuals in the club's recent history.

 

You appear to have signed up two months ago simply to slag him off. You're gonna get pushback. "Whopper" was extremely charitable. 

 aye

[Geogaddi]

14 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But that’s not the point you made.  If Howe was managing Arsenal would they be cruising to the title?  If Arteta was at NUFC would we be 12th?

 

I’m not sure would be the obvious response. 

I don't particularly rate Arteta, spent about a billion quid and has them playing football like the crazy gang did in the 90's . Liverpool and Man City have been so poor this season he is almost winning the league by default. I reckon if Eddie had the unlimited budget Arteta has we would be in a similar position to Arsenal.