Eddie Howe

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Correct. We’ve known for a while beyond the first choice 11 the squad is relatively poor, which is why we probably should have spread the expenditure out last summer over more players to fill out the squad and provide some decent depth.

 

That being said there’s been times this season when I’ve looked at the bench and thought that’s more than decent. So fuck knows, but less time on the training pitch is a consequence of being good and you have to adapt. 

Its a tough one in an ideal world your first 11 player is replaced and becomes the backup and you slowly improve the squad over multiple windows and before you know it your better players have "aged out" and need replacing. 

 

The lack of money and quality spent on the squad pre-takeover and the relative success the club has had with the crop of players it has had so far has meant you sometimes feel you have done well holding the group of lads together but no squad can stand still, our youth/academy purchases haven't brought us any immediate relief meaning what we need we need to buy in. 

 

Its a nice problem to have that we didn't just get to mid table and sit there for a few years flirting with Europe before pushing on but it does mean that we have a lot of work do cycling out the current crop of players and we aren't in a position where we just need 1 or 2 key purchases. We could find ourselves despite the age of Thiaw/Hall/Tino and Botman needing a full back 5 this coming window or next. That's before you start realising by then murphy/Bruno/big joe and Barnes are all starting to get on (within the next 12/18months). 

 

All of this makes what we do with the manager that much more important. 

[astraguy]

I'm praying the owners or our new ceo back this man and ignore all this saft noise. Fergie had it rough, klopp had it rough , Jose had it rough even peoples god given goat won nothing last season ! I know and i can see other clubs know Eddie is Elite if he has the tools to match the others. You watch us sack him and he joins a team who can spend while we nose dive again. As shay said this man should be here for 10 years max

[1881]

1 hour ago, Benwell Lad said:

I don't think Eddie Howe has taken us as far as he can. I think he has taken us a lot further, a lot faster, than anyone thought he could and other aspects of the club's development have not been able to keep up. It's quite literally exhausted the staff and available players in our 50 odd game, and counting, season.

The miracle he performed in keeping us up, and the season that followed, puts us a clear two years ahead of schedule.

Sunday's result and the emotion that surrounds it, painful as it was, needs to be detached from the context of what has been achieved by Howe since he arrived.

Nothing tells me that there is a more suitable person than him to take us to the next stage.

 

couldn’t agree more - the lack of respect for what he has achieved and the amount of work he has put in is shocking. I really don’t believe any other manager around could have achieved more with the resources available. If he resigns because he does not feel appreciated or is sacked because of all the negativity it will be a disaster for the club and put the fan base in a very bad light.

 

 

Edited March 24 by 1881

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

Based around a single way of playing and a very rigid structure though.

The tailor-made plan for the opposition is usually based around how we get the ball forward, where we try to win it back, how we mark in an attacking sense, how high we sit and where we channel our attacking play. It pays very little attention to how they can hurt us and how we can stop it - I believe that bit sits with Tindall, who is looking worse at his job by the day.

It's variation but within a very specific theme.

 

Also seems we don't have much movement through the centre of the pitch, we always try to funnel everything wide. Then inevitably we get done by a central play ourselves when the opposition just slide one right through the middle while our players are caught out of position. 

[astraguy]

1 minute ago, 1881 said:

couldn’t agree more - the lack of respect for what he has achieved and the amount of work he has put in is shocking. I radon’s believe any other manager around could have achieved more with the resources available. If he resigns because he does not feel appreciated or is sacked because of all the negativity it will be a disaster for the club and put the fan base in a very bad light.

This was my biggest worry once we got taken over,  We've massively overachieved and play some insane Football when he has the time and squad to do so. Other Fans/Pundits can all see what howe is doing with what he has yet others with way bigger can't, He loves the club he gets the club something we have been banging on about for decades. Lose that and we'll just get managers coming and going every 2 or 3 seasons no thank you 

[1881]

11 minutes ago, astraguy said:

This was my biggest worry once we got taken over,  We've massively overachieved and play some insane Football when he has the time and squad to do so. Other Fans/Pundits can all see what howe is doing with what he has yet others with way bigger can't, He loves the club he gets the club something we have been banging on about for decades. Lose that and we'll just get managers coming and going every 2 or 3 seasons no thank you 

And, if the worst was to happen, what will other reputable managers think when they look at the way he has been treated after all he has done. As you say Howe really is the perfect fit for us and I wish people would appreciate more that the decisions and approach he takes are largely due to the restrictions he is working under. So sad that he has become a victim of his own hard work and success.

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, 1881 said:

And, if the worst was to happen, what will other reputable managers think when they look at the way he has been treated after all he has done. As you say Howe really is the perfect fit for us and I wish people would appreciate more that the decisions and approach he takes are largely due to the restrictions he is working under. So sad that he has become a victim of his own hard work and success.

 

How exactly has he been treated can I ask? There's hardly been the levels of vitriol aimed at the likes of Arsene Wenger for example in his last season at Arsenal, when fans even started boycotting, and he did pretty well there.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

28 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Also seems we don't have much movement through the centre of the pitch, we always try to funnel everything wide. Then inevitably we get done by a central play ourselves when the opposition just slide one right through the middle while our players are caught out of position. 

 

Exacerbated when we don't have any decent midfielders available and have a smattering of starters in most games who struggle to control the ball. 

[1881]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

How exactly has he been treated can I ask? There's hardly been the levels of vitriol aimed at the likes of Arsene Wenger for example in his last season at Arsenal, when fans even started boycotting, and he did pretty well there.

All the abuse on social media and the booing at the match which is also being used by the media to crank up the pressure on him. I don’t care what Arsenal fans did, but their abuse of Wenger was even more shocking. 

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Drewboy74 said:

It pays very little attention to how they hurt us and how we can stop it - I believe that bit sits with Tindall, who is looking worse at his job by the day.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

Is it? How so?
 

[astraguy]

28 minutes ago, 1881 said:

And, if the worst was to happen, what will other reputable managers think when they look at the way he has been treated after all he has done. As you say Howe really is the perfect fit for us and I wish people would appreciate more that the decisions and approach he takes are largely due to the restrictions he is working under. So sad that he has become a victim of his own hard work and success.

Or players, and i expect that's what the likes of Bruno and Tino are waiting for

[Benwell Lad]

16 minutes ago, 1881 said:

All the abuse on social media and the booing at the match which is also being used by the media to crank up the pressure on him. I don’t care what Arsenal fans did, but their abuse of Wenger was even more shocking. 

 

Media loves a bit of booing at Newcastle. Even on Sunday it would have been maximum a couple of hundred booing, it get's heard in what was an almost empty stadium by then. 200 fans booing, 50,000 fans not boing , media interpretation - Newcastle fans boo management and team.

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, 1881 said:

All the abuse on social media and the booing at the match which is also being used by the media to crank up the pressure on him. I don’t care what Arsenal fans did, but their abuse of Wenger was even more shocking. 

 

Him and his team were deservedly booed at the end of Sundays match. After a performance like that after lying down to them in December as well I'm not sure why they'd expect anything different. I'd have booed them as well if I'd been there. They were a disgrace. If you're happy to take the plaudits when things are going well you've got to be prepared to accept justified criticism, and it was 100% justified, when you lie down to your local rivals.

 

Social media is pretty much split 50/50 on him as well. There's no way any potential manager would be put off by anything that's happened this week amd the suggestion that they would be is just plain silly 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Wallsendmag

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Exacerbated when we don't have any decent midfielders available and have a smattering of starters in most games who struggle to control the ball. 

 

We've had Tonali and Bruno available most of the season, and we bought in Ramsey as cover as well. Joelinton is considered a key midfielder and Miley has done brilliantly when called on, although he's been out injured for a while now. 

 

We have the numbers, if they are struggling to control the ball then you have to question whether they are fit for purpose, or maybe we are just playing a game which means they get compressed too easily. 

[Robster]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Him and his team were deservedly booed at the end of Sundays match. After a performance like that after dying down to them in December as well I'm not sure why they'd expect anything different. I'd have booed them as well if I'd been there. They were a disgrace. If you're happy to take the plaudits when things are going well you've got to be prepared to accept justified criticism, and it was 100% justified, when you lie down to your local rivals.

 

Social media is pretty much split 50/50 on him as well. There's no way any potential manager would be put off by anything that's happened this week amd the suggestion that they would be is just plain silly 

Get to fuck, man

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Robster said:

Get to fuck, man

 

What you think they should have been applauded off after that fiasco?

 

Fuck off man.

[Drewboy74]

Just now, Holmesy said:

Is it? How so?
 

Well first of all I must apologise for the quite rude response, it wasn't intended that way. I'm pretty sure Howe and Tindall plan a formation and tactics to suit our style of play and that also restricts the opposing team. Your post seems to suggest they don't implement the latter. Which is quite ridiculous 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

What you think they should have been applauded off after that fiasco?

 

Fuck off man.

 

You know there is another option in between booing and applauding? 

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

You know there is another option in between booing and applauding? 

 

Yes and I'm sure plenty people reacted by just walking out. Some people applauded them and those who let them know they were unhappy were well within their rights to display their displeasure after watching us lie down to them twice in 3 months as well.

[Drewboy74]

4 minutes ago, Robster said:

Get to fuck, man

Booing on Sunday was not on like. I don't get it at the worst of times, but this team.....nah makes zero sense. Causes more harm than anything and brings unnecessary negative noise.

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Yes and I'm sure plenty people reacted by just walking out. Some people applauded them and those who let them know they were unhappy were well within their rights to display their displeasure after watching us lie down to them twice in 3 months as well.

 

I was just challenging your suggestion that the option appeared to be applaud or boo

[TRon]

Just now, Drewboy74 said:

Booing on Sunday was not on like. I don't get it at the worst of times, but this team.....nah makes zero sense. Causes more harm than anything and brings unnecessary negative noise.

 

 

Mate it was Sunderland. Getting done twice in the derby matters to people who have grown up with the rivalry. It's not always easy to keep emotions in check. 

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, Drewboy74 said:

Booing on Sunday was not on like. I don't get it at the worst of times, but this team.....nah makes zero sense. Causes more harm than anything and brings unnecessary negative noise.

 

We were 2nd to pretty much every ball in a Derby match and lay down to them in the 2nd half. Fans have evey right to let the team know that's not good enough.

 

Want to think themselves lucky they don't play somewhere like Italy where they'd likely have been confronted on the training ground. Our fans reaction was pretty mild compared to how it would have been in other places.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I would never boo a team that I'm generally behind TBH, but obviously understand why people hate losing to Sunderland so much. 

[Drewboy74]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

Mate it was Sunderland. Getting done twice in the derby matters to people who have grown up with the rivalry. It's not always easy to keep emotions in check. 

Aye a nah  I've lived through enough derbies, work with and have mackem mates to know all the emotions. If they weren't trying fair do's. But they did try, just weren't good enough over the 2 games. Booing them off just cos it's Sunderland. Embarrassing.