Eddie Howe

[r0cafella]

Just now, Earp said:

So what would comprise the 'change of strategy'?

Moving to a model which is more sustainable within the regulations. So more player trading, buying a younger profile of player for lower fees and wages, shopping in more reasonable markets. 

[1881]

14 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Understand the sentiment but I couldn't disagree more. The financials have shown the club is currently unsustainable and a change of strategy is needed. If you accept this it's difficult to come to your conclusion when you put the sentiment aside. 

Totally agree that a change of strategy is required and if Howe is unwilling to work within that strategy it is a completely different narrative. But at the moment the narrative appears to be has somehow failed this season or isn’t the man to take us to the next level.

 

 

Edited April 2 by 1881

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

22 minutes ago, 1881 said:

If Eddie Howe is sacked in the summer or resigns due to all the negativity and/or lack of support it will (imho) be one of the worst days in the history of the club. And as a fanbase we will rightly be viewed as one of the most ungrateful and deluded.

 

Well it depends, doesn't it? It's been a very underwhelming league campaign with some disastrous results (e.g. the derbies), if we end the season with a whimper, I think the fans would be within their rights to be unhappy.

[r0cafella]

Just now, 1881 said:

Totally agree that a change of strategy is required and if Howe is unwilling to work within that strategy it is a different narrative. But at the moment the narrative appears to be has somehow failed this season or isn’t the man to take us to the next level.

So far and I caveat this with so far he has been found wanting this season. On the whole we've underperformed now as discussed to death factors exist as to why but I think despite those we have underperformed so far. 

 

Obviously nobody can predict the future Eddie might be able to take us to the next level or he might not be. I simply don't know the answer to that personally. 

[Holmesy]

10 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Totally agree that a change of strategy is required and if Howe is unwilling to work within that strategy it is a completely different narrative. But at the moment the narrative appears to be has somehow failed this season or isn’t the man to take us to the next level.

 

 

 

I don't think there are many saying that. What people, myself included, have been doing is not looking at the table from a zoomed out view and going "incredible". We've been saying "incredible, but", zooming in a bit (plus actually watching the games) and looking at the goals conceded columns, for example - if we improve that by 10-20%, it could represent a significant improvement without spending a fortune, and should be something we concentrate on in our next phase. 

It might sound a bit glass half empty but the defensive side of our game is weak - people who cite losing Isak as the key reason we are where we are, are not necessarily wrong, but you could also say that if the manager focussed more on defence, that reduction in goal-threat is mitigated a lot more. 

We can't always be a "score more goals than them at all costs" team. At some point we have to transition back to a "score more goals than them but if we can't, keep them out" team.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I actually never minded it when we used to draw all the time. Can see why Howe thought it wasn’t accumulating enough points reliably though. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, 1881 said:

If Eddie Howe is sacked in the summer or resigns due to all the negativity and/or lack of support it will (imho) be one of the worst days in the history of the club. And as a fanbase we will rightly be viewed as one of the most ungrateful and deluded.

 

 

You're making the mistake of confusing social media with the real world. A dozen people on here saying it may be time for a change and True Geordie and Scotty T on X calling for his head isn't going to lead to his resignation.

 

The reaction of those in the ground is always the true gauge of the mood of the supporters and whilst I'm led to believe a few people were questioning him as they were walking out (in conversation with each other) and the team were (rightly) booed off after yet another meek surrender to them there was no anti Howe sentiment at all, and there never has been.

 

He's got 7 games till the seasons end. If we pick up and win 5+ I think the noise from the most recent derby day surrender subsides a bit. If we continue to play poorly, ship ridiculous amounts of goals and end up about where we are now then that is a massive drop off from last season despite a £250m investment in the squad in the summer and he'll be scrutinised for that, quite rightly in my view.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 2 by Wallsendmag

[NUFC91]

1 hour ago, 1881 said:

If Eddie Howe is sacked in the summer or resigns due to all the negativity and/or lack of support it will (imho) be one of the worst days in the history of the club. And as a fanbase we will rightly be viewed as one of the most ungrateful and deluded.

 

 

This is getting massively blown out of proportion, I love Eddie Howe as do vast majority of fans, we are not the most ungrateful or deluded fanbase because the team and manager come under criticism after being embarrassed by our biggest rivals at home.

 

The negativity is down to being outfought and out battled and the fact out rivals were up for it more than we were, I was angry when a section booed at the Brentford game but I'm not surprised fans are upset after the derby when we out ran in a game of that importance.

 

Whatever said and done Eddie will go down as a club legend and his love for Newcastle will run deep no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 2 by NUFC91

[Wallsendmag]

24 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I actually never minded it when we used to draw all the time. Can see why Howe thought it wasn’t accumulating enough points reliably though. 

 

Remember many years ago having a bit crack with our old captian Kevin Scott. He said he'd prefer 2 draws rather than a win and a loss because the loss would generally harm the squad morale more whereas with a draw they felt they were walking away with something. 1 point less but the 2 draws gave more to build on. That was his view anyway.

 

 

Edited April 2 by Wallsendmag

[Holloway]

eh

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Holloway said:

eh

 

Edited now 

[Holloway]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

Edited now 

 I had to read it 3 times 

[Shearergol]

I wish I hadn't

[Earp]

30 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

This is getting massively blown out of proportion, I love Eddie Howe as do vast majority of fans, we are not the most ungrateful or deluded fanbase because the team and manager come under criticism after being embarrassed by our biggest rivals at home.

 

The negativity is down to being outfought and out battled and the fact out rivals were up for it more than we were, I was angry when a section booed at the Brentford game but I'm not surprised fans are upset after the derby when we out ran in a game of that importance.

 

Whatever said and done Eddie will go down as a club legend and his love for Newcastle will run deep no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it Eddie's fault thpugh that players were outfought/outbattled?

[Holmesy]

3 minutes ago, Earp said:

Is it Eddie's fault thpugh that players were outfought/outbattled?

Is Eddie responsible for all the wins we've had?

[1881]

51 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

This is getting massively blown out of proportion, I love Eddie Howe as do vast majority of fans, we are not the most ungrateful or deluded fanbase because the team and manager come under criticism after being embarrassed by our biggest rivals at home.

 

The negativity is down to being outfought and out battled and the fact out rivals were up for it more than we were, I was angry when a section booed at the Brentford game but I'm not surprised fans are upset after the derby when we out ran in a game of that importance.

 

Whatever said and done Eddie will go down as a club legend and his love for Newcastle will run deep no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think what is getting massively blown out of proportion is the reaction the the derby defeats. Hugely disappointing, but not worthy of all the negativity.

[1881]

58 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

You're making the mistake of confusing social media with the real world. A dozen people on here saying it may be time for a change and True Geordie and Scotty T on X calling for his head isn't going to lead to his resignation.

 

The reaction of those in the ground is always the true gauge of the mood of the supporters and whilst I'm led to believe a few people were questioning him as they were walking out (in conversation with each other) and the team were (rightly) booed off after yet another meek surrender to them there was no anti Howe sentiment at all, and there never has been.

 

He's got 7 games till the seasons end. If we pick up and win 5+ I think the noise from the most recent derby day surrender subsides a bit. If we continue to play poorly, ship ridiculous amounts of goals and end up about where we are now then that is a massive drop off from last season despite a £250m investment in the squad in the summer and he'll be scrutinised for that, quite rightly in my view.

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately the way of the world now is that what is said on social media becomes articles on mainstream media, becomes things our CEO alludes to, becomes things which Howe will continually be hassled about at press conferences. It is all pure negativity when we need the dial to be at 11 on the positivity scale for the remainder of the season.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Moving to a model which is more sustainable within the regulations. So more player trading, buying a younger profile of player for lower fees and wages, shopping in more reasonable markets. 

 

Also playing a style of football which is more sustainable over a long campaign. We beefed up our squad considerably to deal with playing twice a week, but still ended up with players blowing out their arses. The PL is just too unforgiving these days to play at full intensity twice a week. At least on our budget it is. 

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Unfortunately the way of the world now is that what is said on social media becomes articles on mainstream media, becomes things our CEO alludes to, becomes things which Howe will continually be hassled about at press conferences. It is all pure negativity when we need the dial to be at 11 on the positivity scale for the remainder of the season.

 

Obviously we'll follow different people but my timeline doesn't represent pure negativity at all. I'd say around 70/30 in favour of Howe if I was having to put a rough figure on it.

 

If that's enough for him to consider leaving then fair enough I suppose but I don't think that would be the case.

[1881]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Remember many years ago having a bit crack with our old captian Kevin Scott. He said he'd prefer 2 draws rather than a win and a loss because the loss would generally harm the squad morale more whereas with a draw they felt they were walking away with something. 1 point less but the 2 draws gave more to build on. That was his view anyway.

 

 

 

Facetious comment but perhaps maths wasn’t his best subject (2 points better than 3 points)!

[Holmesy]

9 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Facetious comment but perhaps maths wasn’t his best subject (2 points better than 3 points)!

Completely ignores the fact that the whole premise of the comment was about the impact on confidence of a loss, nothing at all to do with the maths. 

[1881]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Completely ignores the fact that the whole premise of the comment was about the impact on confidence of a loss, nothing at all to do with the maths. 

that’s why I said it was a facetious comment, I know what was meant and was not ignoring it 

[The College Dropout]

I think the style of play issues are overplayed. The squad lacks quality.

 

The 5 other CL teams have much deeper squads than us - and only 2 are close to performing at the level of expectations.

[1881]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think the style of play issues are overplayed. The squad lacks quality.

 

The 5 other CL teams have much deeper squads than us - and only 2 are close to performing at the level of expectations.

and the lack of squad quality inevitably forces our hand in terms ofthe tactics we employ. We competed by being ultra intense, but this is not sustainable. The cartel rules making it virtually impossible to build a better quality squad whilst also having to replace ageing players with the income we have. The owners need to be more honest/realistic about expectations because we are probably going to have to go backwards before we go forwards again.

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, 1881 said:

and the lack of squad quality inevitably forces our hand in terms ofthe tactics we employ. We competed by being ultra intense, but this is not sustainable. The cartel rules making it virtually impossible to build a better quality squad whilst also having to replace ageing players with the income we have. The owners need to be more honest/realistic about expectations because we are probably going to have to go backwards before we go forwards again.

We didn’t improve the squad greatly with a lot of money spent. That’s our own bad. Not to say we would be top 5 again if we did but obviously better off than we are now.