Eddie Howe

[r0cafella]

Just now, TK-421 said:

 

Then people would still shit their pants, with the CEO declining to comment on the manager/his position.

Nah I doubt the media even report on it if he answers that plus it's better than the gormless answer he gave. 

 

Plus you can be extra petty want to try and drive that wedge? Fine your banned from these little get togethers in future. 

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Option E. This discussion is about the clubs financials and that is what we shall focus on. 

That’s option D.

 

The “no comment” answer 

[r0cafella]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

That’s option D.

 

The “no comment” answer 

I see a distinction personally but fair enough. 

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

There are varying degrees of pant shitting. He chose B, which along with D are the maximalist pants shitting options. A would still be the best option by an absolute mile and C would be more of a critique than a comment on his future.

A’s only the best option if you’re Howe-in

 

If you’re Howe-out it’s pant shitting time

 

And if you’re a journo the article that gets the most clicks is “Eddie given full backing after mixed season, have NUFC and PIF lost their ambition ?” and the pant shitting commences about whether PIF have lost interest in NUFC 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

A’s only the best option if you’re Howe-in

 

If you’re Howe-out it’s pant shitting time

 

And if you’re a journo the article that gets the most clicks is “Eddie given full backing after mixed season, have Newcastle and PIF lost their ambition ?” and the pant shitting commences about whether PIF have lost interest in NUFC 

 

 

 

 

So then why did you say "People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing."?  

 

Eddie Howe out people can shit themselves all they want, they're still thankfully a minority in our fanbase.

 

Either way I want a CEO who doesn't embarrass or invite needless additional pressure on any of us. 

 

There's a difference between giving the generic answer every CEO gives and the dogshit one Hopkinson gave. I think we all know that and that there's no pant shitting equivalence with those options.

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

So then why did you say "People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing."?  

 

Eddie Howe out people can shit themselves all they want, they're still thankfully a minority in our fanbase.

 

Either way I want a CEO who doesn't embarrass or invite needless additional pressure on any of us. 

 

There's a difference between giving the generic answer every CEO gives and the dogshit one Hopkinson gave. I think we all know that and that there's no pant shitting equivalence with those options.

 

 

Because I’m demonstrating that it doesn’t matter what the CEO says, certain sections of fans will shit their pants and claim that it’s not the answer they wanted to hear so the CEO fucked up. And the media will stoke the pant shitting because it gets them clicks. 

 

That’s the whole point of the roleplay. There is no right answer. 

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

27 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

That’s option D.

 

The “no comment” answer 

I’d like to see the video but it seems like there’s no video which includes the Howe bit? 

[TK-421]

17 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’d like to see the video but it seems like there’s no video which includes the Howe bit? 

I think that was part of a separate interview he did with The Athletic/somewhere else, where he was asked about Howe, and last summers and upcoming transfer business.

 

 

Edited April 1 by TK-421

[1881]

8 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

I think that was part of a separate interview he did with The Athletic/somewhere else, where he was asked about Howe, and last summers and upcoming transfer business.

 

 

 

yes I think they gave a presentation to various media outlets and they were his responses to direct questions from the press which were not filmed, otherwise I am sure someone would have released the video. It is possible he wasn’t expecting such a question and was caught off guard 

[Kid Icarus]

29 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Because I’m demonstrating that it doesn’t matter what the CEO says, certain sections of fans will shit their pants and claim that it’s not the answer they wanted to hear so the CEO fucked up. And the media will stoke the pant shitting because it gets them clicks. 

 

That’s the whole point of the roleplay. There is no right answer. 

See what you were getting at like. Can't say I agree like, but agree to disagree probably. 

[bobbydazzla]

21 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

See what you were getting at like. Can't say I agree like, but agree to disagree probably. 

There’s no answer Hoppy can give that keeps everyone happy.

 

Certain groups of fans will not like what he said, certain groups of fans will be ambivalent to what he said, certain groups of fans will like what he said. 

 

The media will stoke whichever narrative they feel gets the most clicks. 
 

You don’t like what he said, I was fairly neutral about it, others have said they’re glad he’s not backing Howe unequivocally. 
 

Nowt much to disagree with there, it’s just the way the world works. 
 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[Jesse Pinkman]

 

I really hope he doesn’t BUT it’s a real possibility Howe walks in the summer. 

 

1. He had his chance to grab power last summer when all chips fell in his favour but he’s kinda blown it due to the poor summer window (which he was part responsible) and poor performance in the Premier League throughout this season. So now he has been somewhat humbled and has to march to a new superior, who looks like he wants to make his own mark. I am not sure how comfortable Howe will be with that situation considering he’s fell out with the two previous DoF. Howe is not particularly a yes man. 

 

2. Howe is loyal to his core squad many of whom will either leave due to age or be sold in the summer. He will then be given 5/6 young regens and expected to make Wolte work in his tactics, otherwise the club has lost big on a huge investment. We know Howe takes atleast 6 months to get new players properly firing in his strict tactical regime.  Yet he knows he will be expected to hit the ground running next season or he will be sacked by Christmas.

 

3. This England squad doesn’t look like a WC winning side. England will likely be dumped out the World Cup in the quarters and Howe will likely be targeted as Tuchel’s replacement. 

 

Both parties may see it as a good opportunity to part ways and end things on a relative high. He will leave a legend with an amazing legacy and get a new challenge. As they say you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. 
 

Will be an interesting summer on a number of levels. Likely the biggest since the new owners came in. 

[The Prophet]

16 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

 

I really hope he doesn’t BUT it’s a real possibility Howe walks in the summer. 

 

1. He had his chance to grab power last summer when all chips fell in his favour but he’s kinda blown it due to the poor summer window (which he was part responsible) and poor performance in the Premier League throughout this season. So now he has been somewhat humbled and has to march to a new superior, who looks like he wants to make his own mark. I am not sure how comfortable Howe will be with that situation considering he’s fell out with the two previous DoF. Howe is not particularly a yes man. 

 

2. Howe is loyal to his core squad many of whom will either leave due to age or be sold in the summer. He will then be given 5/6 young regens and expected to make Wolte work in his tactics, otherwise the club has lost big on a huge investment. We know Howe takes atleast 6 months to get new players properly firing in his strict tactical regime.  Yet he knows he will be expected to hit the ground running next season or he will be sacked by Christmas.

 

3. This England squad doesn’t look like a WC winning side. England will likely be dumped out the World Cup in the quarters and Howe will likely be targeted as Tuchel’s replacement. 

 

Both parties may see it as a good opportunity to part ways and end things on a relative high. He will leave a legend with an amazing legacy and get a new challenge. As they say you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. 
 

Will be an interesting summer on a number of levels. Likely the biggest since the new owners came in. 

 

What would a Howe power grab have looked like? 

[lovejoy]

28 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

 

I really hope he doesn’t BUT it’s a real possibility Howe walks in the summer. 

 

1. He had his chance to grab power last summer when all chips fell in his favour but he’s kinda blown it due to the poor summer window (which he was part responsible) and poor performance in the Premier League throughout this season. So now he has been somewhat humbled and has to march to a new superior, who looks like he wants to make his own mark. I am not sure how comfortable Howe will be with that situation considering he’s fell out with the two previous DoF. Howe is not particularly a yes man. 

 

2. Howe is loyal to his core squad many of whom will either leave due to age or be sold in the summer. He will then be given 5/6 young regens and expected to make Wolte work in his tactics, otherwise the club has lost big on a huge investment. We know Howe takes atleast 6 months to get new players properly firing in his strict tactical regime.  Yet he knows he will be expected to hit the ground running next season or he will be sacked by Christmas.

 

3. This England squad doesn’t look like a WC winning side. England will likely be dumped out the World Cup in the quarters and Howe will likely be targeted as Tuchel’s replacement. 

 

Both parties may see it as a good opportunity to part ways and end things on a relative high. He will leave a legend with an amazing legacy and get a new challenge. As they say you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. 
 

Will be an interesting summer on a number of levels. Likely the biggest since the new owners came in. 

I think he walks.

[Lush Vlad]

12 hours ago, Heron said:

It's entirely relevant to the debate though, surely? Like anyone can say "I want us to be the best team in the world and never ever lose a game" but the reality is we cannot, no one can. So to my mind, it's easy for anyone to say "Howe is the problem" but then what is the solution?

 

We may not all be scouts or coaches or whatever but we sure as hell watch enough football collectively on this forum to have ideas around managers who might fit. I think I've only ever seen about half a dozen names mentioned (if that!).

 

Mourinho

Frank (pre Spurs)

Glasner

Iraola

 

The best suggestion I've heard recently was Simeone but as to whether someone like that is attainable is beyond me. With our money is anyone attainable? With PSR constraints is it even possible to rebuild the squad the same way as previous?

 

Bit of an extreme way to frame the argument in that first paragraph  I'm not sure even the people who weirdly/stupidly wanted Howe out since the end of last year, think that.  

 

Most people on here tend to watch the Prem regularly, some even only our games regularly, based on comments.  Quite a few seem fed up with modern football full stop and hardly watch it.  I don't feel far off that!  Plenty are far more knowledgeable and watch European leagues, too.  But how many can genuinely watch enough or consume enough information about a team in 6th place in Serie A, 3rd in the Bundesliga, 5th in La Liga etc.?  I'm not really sure you can form a solid argument on why that manager would be better than Howe. 

 

I'm not sure you can full stop, TBH.  Even if you were looking at unrealistic targets that would never come here.  Replacing Howe would come with a lot of risk attached.  Plenty of good managers have failed at certain clubs and I think bad to average ones have had spells of success, too.  It's not like there would be a safe, sure thing that we could go for. 

 

But then how long do the board and fans give Howe, before they think it's as much of a risk to sit tight?  If we don't get into Europe again?  If we don't win again before the end of the season?  If the club and Howe have another disastrous transfer window and then start next season with more of the same?  A mid-table finish next season?  Everyone has different views on that, I guess. 

 

Sticking to the prem only and realistic managers.  I genuinely think only Iraola would be exciting and is someone I think could do well here.  But then I also think his style of football could also see us burn out, have loads of injuries and get battered at times.  Along with a horrendous amounts of yellow cards.  After that, fuck knows?  Marco Silva, maybe   There really is a dearth of quality managers in the prem now I'm looking at it  

 

On Simeone.  I think he is the highest paid manager in the world.  So I'd suggest about as attainable as Ancelotti and Pep   Maybe one for the unpopular opinion thread.  But I don't particularly enjoy watching his sides, FWIW. 

 

I voted 'unhappy but willing to give him more time' when the poll went up and I've not changed my view.  I still don't like a lot of the stuff we serve up, we've barely had a convincing win in the league all season and we still have glaring flaws and weaknesses that we had 2-3 seasons ago, along with some new ones.

 

But I also love the man, he has done so much for the club and I think he deserves more time to figure it out.  Plus as I've said above, it's not like it is easy to replace him with a nailed on upgrade.  

 

 

Edited April 1 by Lush Vlad

[Kid Icarus]

47 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

There’s no answer Hoppy can give that keeps everyone happy.

 

Certain groups of fans will not like what he said, certain groups of fans will be ambivalent to what he said, certain groups of fans will like what he said. 

 

The media will stoke whichever narrative they feel gets the most clicks. 
 

You don’t like what he said, I was fairly neutral about it, others have said they’re glad he’s not backing Howe unequivocally. 
 

Nowt much to disagree with there, it’s just the way the world works. 
 

 

 

 

 

 No I get what you're trying to demonstrate dude, I just disagree because these things are relative not absolute (ie one option will cause way less pants shitting than another)

 

But agree to disagree, I don't want to bore you or anyone else to death any more than I already will have over this. 

[Yorkie]

48 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

 

1. He had his chance to grab power last summer when all chips fell in his favour but he’s kinda blown it due to the poor summer window (which he was part responsible) and poor performance in the Premier League throughout this season. So now he has been somewhat humbled and has to march to a new superior, who looks like he wants to make his own mark. I am not sure how comfortable Howe will be with that situation considering he’s fell out with the two previous DoF. Howe is not particularly a yes man. 

 

A week ago he had the club wrapped around his little finger, Pinks lad.

[Jesse Pinkman]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

A week ago he had the club wrapped around his little finger, Pinks lad.

He did in the summer, yes. He obviously doesn’t now. 

[mondonewc]

LONG LIVE THE FUCKING KING!!!!!

[Holmesy]

12 hours ago, Heron said:

I mean...I'm pretty sure I've explained numerous times why I am Howe In not Howe Out. I'm sure I've asked numerous times what the alternatives are and very rarely been given viable answers.

 

I think @Jesse Pinkmans stance is fair enough personally. We do ultimately support Newcastle United.

 

However, to suggest that folk are simply saying "EHBAWA" or "Eddie is our king" without backing that statement isn't correct @Holmesy. For one, his record here speaks for itself, both in terms of results and player development. The recruitment one is a speculative debate which ever way you want to take it. I can nigh on guarantee folk will gladly accuse him of last summers failings and attribute all other signings (that were successes) to other folk - if that suits their agenda - just as others will attribute the signings in an opposite direction. It is all speculative though. But it has been explained numerous times by myself, @Kid Icarus, @Interpolicand many others.

 

There are few managers who would improve us at present and whom are available - I think that is something we can all agree on?

 

If not...then I'll gladly review this ocean of talent we have to pick from (...and whom can be identified by those saying "Howe out").

 

Howe isn't perfect and isn't faultless, but he definitely deserves more support and respect than he receives. He's quite simply guilty of being a nice guy in this regard, and that costs him in the (Social?) media.

 

 

 

FWIW, and i've said this 100 times on here, I don't want Eddie to leave, I want him to evolve. The very best managers do, and the concern is that Eddie isn't showing any overt signs of evolution, whether it's because of "mitigating circumstances" or being wedded to his ideas. And by evolution, I don't mean small tactical changes. I mean keeping & protecting the ball, learning to be tighter and less naive in the final 20 minutes of games, conserving energy, better in-game management - being able to counter our opposition's changes, controlling games rather than the whole thing feeling chaotic etc. 

That is and has been my stance throughout. 

 

He at least deserves the summer and next season (or some of it) to show that he's developing, not doing more of the same with different players because we know it isn't sustainable - that has been proven twice. 

Maybe the summer disrupted his ability to embed new ideas, maybe too many games and not enough training time have stopped him adopting a new playing style and developing our new signings, maybe he doesn't want to move away from what he knows and trusts. The only way we're going to know is to let him show us. 

He's a world class human being and an unbelievable ambassador for the football club, and I think we all genuinely hope he can kick on to the next level but if not, I don't believe there should be any room for sentiment - you've taken us on an incredible journey, thank you for everything but we need to bring in someone whose ideas better suit the next phase of our growth. 
 

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, lovejoy said:

I think he walks.

 

You heard out?

[The Prophet]

7 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

FWIW, and i've said this 100 times on here, I don't want Eddie to leave, I want him to evolve. The very best managers do, and the concern is that Eddie isn't showing any overt signs of evolution, whether it's because of "mitigating circumstances" or being wedded to his ideas. And by evolution, I don't mean small tactical changes. I mean keeping & protecting the ball, learning to be tighter and less naive in the final 20 minutes of games, conserving energy, better in-game management - being able to counter our opposition's changes, controlling games rather than the whole thing feeling chaotic etc. 

That is and has been my stance throughout. 

 

He at least deserves the summer and next season (or some of it) to show that he's developing, not doing more of the same with different players because we know it isn't sustainable - that has been proven twice. 

Maybe the summer disrupted his ability to embed new ideas, maybe too many games and not enough training time have stopped him adopting a new playing style and developing our new signings, maybe he doesn't want to move away from what he knows and trusts. The only way we're going to know is to let him show us. 

He's a world class human being and an unbelievable ambassador for the football club, and I think we all genuinely hope he can kick on to the next level but if not, I don't believe there should be any room for sentiment - you've taken us on an incredible journey, thank you for everything but we need to bring in someone whose ideas better suit the next phase of our growth. 
 

 

Fair enough. He has evolved though. 

 

In 21/22, we played block and counter.

 

In 22/23 and 23/24, we played an aggressive high press.

 

In 24/25, we started with the high press, but reverted back to a direct 21/22 hybrid.

 

This season we've tried and at times failed to implement a more possession based system. 

 

That's the broad strokes of it. On a granular level there have been all kinds of adjustments to our game both on and off the ball, which I'm sure have been the subject of nerdy YouTube videos.

 

Yes, the key tenets of Howe's style have been 4-3-3, a man-to-man press and attacking transitions, but pretty much every manager under the sun will have core principles. Klopp sides will press, Pep sides will suffocate the attacking third, Enrique sides are very direct. Again, broad strokes, but you get the idea.

[Heron]

14 hours ago, JT24 said:

I’m throwing either Sebastian Hoeneß or Vincenzo Italiano into the mixer of “what to do if we have to replace Howe”. 
 

I think both have excellent chances of being a success in the PL, albeit comes with a bit of risk. Their teams often play great football and both shown to have a bit about themselves, whilst over performing with limited resources. 

Not gonna lie I don't know who either of them are so I guess I better educate myself

[Heron]

9 hours ago, astraguy said:

Show them our support in our next game wor flags!

I'm in Crete...

 

[Heron]

2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

Bit of an extreme way to frame the argument in that first paragraph  I'm not sure even the people who weirdly/stupidly wanted Howe out since the end of last year, think that.  

 

Most people on here tend to watch the Prem regularly, some even only our games regularly, based on comments.  Quite a few seem fed up with modern football full stop and hardly watch it.  I don't feel far off that!  Plenty are far more knowledgeable and watch European leagues, too.  But how many can genuinely watch enough or consume enough information about a team in 6th place in Serie A, 3rd in the Bundesliga, 5th in La Liga etc.?  I'm not really sure you can form a solid argument on why that manager would be better than Howe. 

 

I'm not sure you can full stop, TBH.  Even if you were looking at unrealistic targets that would never come here.  Replacing Howe would come with a lot of risk attached.  Plenty of good managers have failed at certain clubs and I think bad to average ones have had spells of success, too.  It's not like there would be a safe, sure thing that we could go for. 

 

But then how long do the board and fans give Howe, before they think it's as much of a risk to sit tight?  If we don't get into Europe again?  If we don't win again before the end of the season?  If the club and Howe have another disastrous transfer window and then start next season with more of the same?  A mid-table finish next season?  Everyone has different views on that, I guess. 

 

Sticking to the prem only and realistic managers.  I genuinely think only Iraola would be exciting and is someone I think could do well here.  But then I also think his style of football could also see us burn out, have loads of injuries and get battered at times.  Along with a horrendous amounts of yellow cards.  After that, fuck knows?  Marco Silva, maybe   There really is a dearth of quality managers in the prem now I'm looking at it  

 

On Simeone.  I think he is the highest paid manager in the world.  So I'd suggest about as attainable as Ancelotti and Pep   Maybe one for the unpopular opinion thread.  But I don't particularly enjoy watching his sides, FWIW. 

 

I voted 'unhappy but willing to give him more time' when the poll went up and I've not changed my view.  I still don't like a lot of the stuff we serve up, we've barely had a convincing win in the league all season and we still have glaring flaws and weaknesses that we had 2-3 seasons ago, along with some new ones.

 

But I also love the man, he has done so much for the club and I think he deserves more time to figure it out.  Plus as I've said above, it's not like it is easy to replace him with a nailed on upgrade.  

 

 

 

Fair mate. Appreciate I was taking it to extremes but it was to emphasise a point really more than anything - that it's easy to pick out problems but not so easy to pick out solutions (not aimed at you that by the way). Change has to be to invoke continuous improvement from a business point of view. For me - it kinda feels like we have the same chef who's cooked multiple good meals and even got a Michelin star but with different ingredients and unripe apples we're expecting him to make the same apple crumble and simply saying "change the chef" when it is most likely what he can spend on ingredients, the kitchen he operates in and the time he's had to find an alternative that are all contributing to his just about palatable dessert

 

Can tell it's dinner like...

 

 

Edited April 1 by Heron