Eddie Howe

[toon25]

4 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Arsenal

BHA

Forest

West Ham

Fulham

Eeeesh.

[Casey]

Looking at the prem table is an odd thing. 6th place Chelsea and Europa are still only 6 points away. 
Considering the depth of feeling much of us has had at our downfall, it's still technically in reach even if practically unlikely.

 

I write this not in defense of Howe (I've previously posted about my apathy regarding this), just thought it was interesting considering where we stand as a club/fanbase.

 

To pose a very unrealistic hypothetical, if we took 12 of our remaining 15 points which turns out good enough for 6th/7th (Europe), how would we look at the season? How many would still want coaching changes to go along with a huge summer rebuild?

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, Casey said:

Looking at the prem table is an odd thing. 6th place Chelsea and Europa are still only 6 points away. 
Considering the depth of feeling much of us has had at our downfall, it's still technically in reach even if practically unlikely.

 

I write this not in defense of Howe (I've previously posted about my apathy regarding this), just thought it was interesting considering where we stand as a club/fanbase.

 

To pose a very unrealistic hypothetical, if we took 12 of our remaining 15 points which turns out good enough for 6th/7th (Europe), how would we look at the season? How many would still want coaching changes to go along with a huge summer rebuild?

Everyone says this but leave out at the same time we're only 3 points away from being in the bottom quarter of the league, perspective.

[Leemond]

3 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Everyone says this but leave out at the same time we're only 3 points away from being in the bottom quarter of the league, perspective.

I'm looking over my shoulder, rather than looking up!

 

If we get dragged into this relegation battle we are down, these cunts have NO fight in them whatsoever 

[Casey]

14 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Everyone says this but leave out at the same time we're only 3 points away from being in the bottom quarter of the league, perspective.

We could lose all our games and get relegated too if the teams below us win out but that's not what I asked.

 

Not sure what you're addressing by posting that?

 

Edit: To add, didn't feel it was necessary to add to my original post that I know we're shite and likely finish pretty much where we are now.  I figured mentioning this isn't solely about Eddie and that it's a hypothetical would have covered that but just in case...

 

 

Edited April 19 by Casey

[Displayname]

11 minutes ago, Casey said:

Looking at the prem table is an odd thing. 6th place Chelsea and Europa are still only 6 points away. 
Considering the depth of feeling much of us has had at our downfall, it's still technically in reach even if practically unlikely.

 

I write this not in defense of Howe (I've previously posted about my apathy regarding this), just thought it was interesting considering where we stand as a club/fanbase.

 

To pose a very unrealistic hypothetical, if we took 12 of our remaining 15 points which turns out good enough for 6th/7th (Europe), how would we look at the season? How many would still want coaching changes to go along with a huge summer rebuild?

Winning 4 wouldn't be enough, too many teams with too many points ahead of us. Some of them are going to win a few aswell.

[Antipode23]

If we got Europe from here I'd still have major doubts about Eddie. The lack of flexibility etc in so much of what he does has to catch up with him and us eventually. I've seen enough tbh.

[Gawalls]

8 minutes ago, Leemond said:

I'm looking over my shoulder, rather than looking up!

 

If we get dragged into this relegation battle we are down, these cunts have NO fight in them whatsoever 

We're not going down, too many points on there board but if we finish in the bottom 25% that's insane

[Casey]

1 minute ago, Displayname said:

Winning 4 wouldn't be enough, too many teams with too many points ahead of us. Some of them are going to win a few aswell.

Aye certainly. The reading comprehension here is a bit out of wack today like. Hypothetically if you understood what a hypothetical is, how do you feel things would play out? 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

We're not going down, too many points on there board but if we finish in the bottom 25% that's insane

 

What's the significance of bottom 25%?

[Displayname]

3 minutes ago, Casey said:

Aye certainly. The reading comprehension here is a bit out of wack today like. Hypothetically if you understood what a hypothetical is, how do you feel things would play out? 

Right, sorry. (A bit hungover)

 

Would still be a poor season from my perspective.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Displayname

[Gawalls]

7 minutes ago, Casey said:

We could lose all our games and get relegated too if the teams below us win out but that's not what I asked.

 

Not sure what you're addressing by posting that?

 

Edit: To add, didn't feel it was necessary to add to my original post that I know we're shite and likely finish pretty much where we are now.  I figured mentioning this isn't about Eddie and that it's a hypothetical would have covered that but just in case...

 

 

 

Just saying I've read so many times this weekend alone "okay it's a bad season but we're only six points away from Europe". I'm just saying there's a flip side too that "it's been a shit season as we're only three points away from being in the bottom quarter and with Leeds momentum there's a very strong change of it happening".

[Keegans Export]

14 minutes ago, Casey said:

To pose a very unrealistic hypothetical, if we took 12 of our remaining 15 points which turns out good enough for 6th/7th (Europe), how would we look at the season? How many would still want coaching changes to go along with a huge summer rebuild?

6th/7th would be a good season. 8th about par considering the progress we made in Europe. A good run of performances and results would presumably be enough to confirm two things;

1. The players are still responding to Howe and his methods, motivation etc.

2. He can still put results together if he has time on the training ground.

 

Obviously point 2 is potentially still an issue but if he at least has an idea of how we could handle multiple games per week going into next season then anything 8th or above would secure me as "Howe In".

[Gawalls]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

What's the significance of bottom 25%?

Quite a lot in the summer if trying to sign players and selling "the project" to them 

[nufcjmc]

20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

What's the significance of bottom 25%?

Quite alot I would say once the dust settles as we aren't an established elite club having a wobble we are a relatively new project hitting a speed bump at alarming speed *relative to having only won our first trophy and spending 200m+ in an attempt to solidify us as a top 6 contender.

 

Perception of the project to potential new signings

 

Perception of the project to existing players possibly on the fence about staying

 

Pressure on Howe not to repeat this or new manager do better next season

 

Every league place is worth 3 or 4m now so loss of income

 

Lack of europe 

 

The intangible stuff appearing to be going backwards,loss of momentum, loss of progress if you believe it should be season on season improvements.

 

All easily forgot if we have a strong end of season good summer and momentum of sorts going into next season. 

 

 

Edited April 19 by nufcjmc

[Casey]

2 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Right, sorry. (A bit hungover)

 

Would still be a poor season from my perspective.

Aye I feel the same. It's a funny thought exercise though because it makes me realise how fickle it all is. If we'd been a grindy boring team (instead of boring and shite ) and somehow squeaked to this hypothetical 6th/7th through geet loads of draws and whatever else would we feel the same?

 

I understand it's because in reality we've seen the limitations and weaknesses of Eddie and our dysfunctional squad.

 

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

Just saying I've read so many times this weekend alone "okay it's a bad season but we're only six points away from Europe". I'm just saying there's a flip side too that "it's been a shit season as we're only three points away from being in the bottom quarter and with Leeds momentum there's a very strong change of it happening".

Yeah there is a lot of that so I get it but nowt I said is in defense of our bad season or even trying to cope. It's shite, we all know it's shite and we're most likely to finish 15th with Leeds looking crispy atm. Inspiring stuff...

 

Still, that wasn't the meat of my post. If you'd been offered 6th/7th and knockouts vs Barcelona in UCL at the start of the season how would ya have felt? How would you feel now if that happened after seeing the dross we've served up?

[500bhp]

1 hour ago, magorific said:

“Howe’s transfers…”

I love how he’s apportioned all blame for transfers when that’s patently not his job. I don’t recall him getting proportionate praise for the likes of Bruno and Isak…

As for the Ferguson comparison not being contemporary enough, what about the Tottenham one? What about the Klopp one?

Hypocritical nonsense.

 

That first January transfer window was brilliant and kept us up. Howe went for PL proven players and it worked; Burn, Wood, Trippier and Targett. Bruno was also signed and, if I recall correctly, that was driven predominantly by the existing recruitment team. Amanda said give us the list of players you've been watching but could not buy under MA. That list included Bruno, Botman, Isak, Ekitike and others. So Howe and the recruitment team both deserve praise for those signings. 

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, Casey said:

Aye I feel the same. It's a funny thought exercise though because it makes me realise how fickle it all is. If we'd been a grindy boring team (instead of boring and shite ) and somehow squeaked to this hypothetical 6th/7th through geet loads of draws and whatever else would we feel the same?

 

I understand it's because in reality we've seen the limitations and weaknesses of Eddie and our dysfunctional squad.

 

Yeah there is a lot of that so I get it but nowt I said is in defense of our bad season or even trying to cope. It's shite, we all know it's shite and we're most likely to finish 15th with Leeds looking crispy atm. Inspiring stuff...

 

Still, that wasn't the meat of my post. If you'd been offered 6th/7th and knockouts vs Barcelona in UCL at the start of the season how would ya have felt? How would you feel now if that happened after seeing the dross we've served up?

Happy with it now definitely, not sure at the start of the season.

[Casey]

21 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

6th/7th would be a good season. 8th about par considering the progress we made in Europe. A good run of performances and results would presumably be enough to confirm two things;

1. The players are still responding to Howe and his methods, motivation etc.

2. He can still put results together if he has time on the training ground.

 

Obviously point 2 is potentially still an issue but if he at least has an idea of how we could handle multiple games per week going into next season then anything 8th or above would secure me as "Howe In".

Interesting. Does this just about match your expectations at the start of the season?

 

The training ground thing is such a crutch in a way isn't it. Surely every coach and team in history is better with time to practice?
You've said basically as much, but I do wonder how much of it is a true reflection of how Eddie feels he can only get a tune out of his teams or if it's a deflection from poor results.

 

Suppose we'll find out though the feeling and momentum around the team is so dire currently that I'm not sure it'll be an accurate measure. Guess that could all change with one win. We have so many issues as a team but a bit of confidence wouldn't go amiss.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Casey

[Cf]

He's still the man for me.

[Displayname]

18 minutes ago, Casey said:

Aye I feel the same. It's a funny thought exercise though because it makes me realise how fickle it all is. If we'd been a grindy boring team (instead of boring and shite ) and somehow squeaked to this hypothetical 6th/7th through geet loads of draws and whatever else would we feel the same?

 

I understand it's because in reality we've seen the limitations and weaknesses of Eddie and our dysfunctional squad.

 

Yeah there is a lot of that so I get it but nowt I said is in defense of our bad season or even trying to cope. It's shite, we all know it's shite and we're most likely to finish 15th with Leeds looking crispy atm. Inspiring stuff...

 

Still, that wasn't the meat of my post. If you'd been offered 6th/7th and knockouts vs Barcelona in UCL at the start of the season how would ya have felt? How would you feel now if that happened after seeing the dross we've served up?

It would still be us only getting 54 points and looking very poor for the majority of the season, no matter if we ended up with 6th/7th through a fluke.

 

When judging our performance over a season i look more at the points we achieved rather than league placement. Eddie shouldn't be judged on how other teams performed.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Displayname

[Conjo]

2 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said:

If we stick with Eddie and he manages to get us top 4 next season, what do we do then when we know he “can’t handle more than 1 game a week” as people would have you believe? Do we let him go after a top 4 finish and bring in someone who can handle more than 1 game a week or do we let him continue on into the 27/28 season and risk the same as this season? 

 

Third time's the charm. He'd have earned the right to go again if he got us back in the CL. If he has another 25/26 season the following season I might come to terms with his time being up.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 hour ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

But Howe has quite rightfully received bags of praise from everyone for the achievements we’ve accomplished in his tenure. 
 

Now he’s quite rightfully receiving shit when we’re playing like shit every week. That’s how it works. It can’t be Howe when we’re mint and the players when we’re shit.

 

As for the Woltemade comment I think that’s bollocks personally. At home, we are statistically a better side when he’s started upfront. He was the golden boy up until the away derby and think people are just a bit miffed we persisted playing him CM when my 3 year old daughter could probably tell you it wasn’t working and never will.

 

The seasons done now, we may as well try get the lad a bit confidence heading into the World Cup and 26/27. 

[Mattoon]

7 minutes ago, Displayname said:

It would still be us only getting 54 points and looking very poor for the majority of the season, no matter if we ended up with 6th/7th through a fluke.

 

When judging our performance over a season i look more at the points we achieved rather than league placement. Eddie shouldn't be judged on how other teams how performed.

 

 

 

 

What about judging him on the Cup runs along side the 6/7th place finish? I think that would be a relatively good season, regardless of the form we're seeing now, however it would take one of his light bulb moments we've been waiting for all season that doesn't look like it's coming this year.

[TheEntertainer]

22 minutes ago, Casey said:

Aye I feel the same. It's a funny thought exercise though because it makes me realise how fickle it all is. If we'd been a grindy boring team (instead of boring and shite ) and somehow squeaked to this hypothetical 6th/7th through geet loads of draws and whatever else would we feel the same?

 

I understand it's because in reality we've seen the limitations and weaknesses of Eddie and our dysfunctional squad.

 

Yeah there is a lot of that so I get it but nowt I said is in defense of our bad season or even trying to cope. It's shite, we all know it's shite and we're most likely to finish 15th with Leeds looking crispy atm. Inspiring stuff...

 

Still, that wasn't the meat of my post. If you'd been offered 6th/7th and knockouts vs Barcelona in UCL at the start of the season how would ya have felt? How would you feel now if that happened after seeing the dross we've served up?

Honestly I think 6th/7th would be enough to shut me up, I'd still have some concerns about how poor we'd been, but you can't argue with results. I'd not be sitting here happy as Larry as we've seen how poor we've been, but I also don't think it would be reasonable to be calling for Howe out. In the other reality where we've been brilliant all season, but really unlucky and end up 14th I'm probably still Howe in as well. It's the combination of awful performances where it looks like we have no idea combined with the league position rather than one or the other for me.