Eddie Howe

[Mountain]

5 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Remarkably wrong to suggest Emery coped well in a league and CL campaign because Villa “just loaned players”. 

 

 

I agree with most of what you say but Emery is ugly so his achievements are irrelevent.

 

I'd rather have a stubborn incompetent Howe than Count Dracula as the figurehead of the club, even if won things.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

If we finish 6th on GD at the end of the season, aye. A season doesn’t end in March and squad management goes up to the final day.

So then what you complaining for? If we win every match from now on like Villa did, we make Europe and we've managed the whole season well.

[Chicken Dancer]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If we're 12th at the end of March have we coped well in the league then aye?

 

 

 

Clearly not. If we finish on 66 pts I’ll come back, hold my hands up and say we can cope as well as Villa did.

 

Oh wait, we can’t. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

So then what you complaining for? If we win every match from now on like Villa did, we make Europe and we've managed the whole season well.

 

…and if that happens, as you’ll see from many of my previous posts, I’ll be delighted, bow down to Eddie’s superiority and accept I was wrong.

The reality of that happening? Pretty slim based on all available metrics.

 

Fyi, Villa were 9th at this point in the season, not 12th. They were also on a run of 1 defeat in 5, ours is 3 defeats in 5.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Sir Joel Inton

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Clearly not. If we finish on 66 pts I’ll come back, hold my hands up and say we can cope as well as Villa did.

 

Oh wait, we can’t. 

 

Villa didn't cope man.  You can't rewrite 90% of their season because they got some loans (because they couldn't cope) and went on a mad run. 

 

If we go on a mad run now and make Europe, not a single person would try and claim we've managed Europe well.

[toon25]

As far as I can see, Villa gambled and failed 

[TK-421]

Another thing in these last 7 games Eddie could do, is give some of the young 'uns more minutes.

The likes of Neave, Shahar... he's had them on the bench so often, but doesn't bring them on. The Carrierbag 2nd leg would have been prefect.

Does he not trust them? Then why have them on the bench?

Does he not think they are experienced enough? How will they get the experience unless they get minutes on the pitch?

We've been playing the same small group of players, some of them into the ground, for different reasons. Yet he has these young players, and never gives them a chance. Maybe these last 7 games should be the time to start giving them more than an odd 5minute cameo here and there.
 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Villa didn't cope man.  You can't rewrite 90% of their season because they got some loans (because they couldn't cope) and went on a mad run. 

 

If we go on a mad run now and make Europe, not a single person would try and claim we've managed Europe well.

 

I mean you’ve literally just been told people would view the season and the outcome of the season differently based on your hypothetical scenario. Coming back and telling people they wouldn’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative is just pretty weird.

[The Prophet]

Just now, TK-421 said:

Another thing in these last 7 games Eddie could do, is give some of the young 'uns more minutes.

The likes of Neave, Shahar... he's had them on the bench so often, but doesn't bring them on. The Carrierbag 2nd leg would have been prefect.

Does he not trust them? Then why have them on the bench?

Does he not think they are experienced enough? How will they get the experience unless they get minutes on the pitch?

We've been playing the same small group of players, some of them into the ground, for different reasons. Yet he has these young players, and never gives them a chance. Maybe these last 7 games should be the time to start giving them more than an odd 5minute cameo here and there.
 

 

Aren't we well up the charts in terms of chopping and changing the starting eleven? It feels like we've rotated pretty well, whenever we've been able to.

[Sir Joel Inton]

4 minutes ago, toon25 said:

As far as I can see, Villa gambled and failed 

 

If we ended the season 6th, narrowly missing out on CL and getting EL, I’d consider that a considerable success.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

I mean you’ve literally just been told people would view the season and the outcome of the season differently based on your hypothetical scenario. Coming back and telling people they wouldn’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative is just pretty weird.

When I said "So then what you complaining for? If we win every match from now on like Villa did, we make Europe and we've managed the whole season well." You didn't pick up that I was taking the piss out of such a daft outlook?

[andycap]

3 hours ago, Drewboy74 said:

If we lose all 4 of them players, Howe will walk and justifiably so. And the reason ( I think) for not changing styles is the fact he can't get on the training pitch to implement them. 

He's had four years to switch it up though. And we still play 4-3-3.

[andycap]

2 hours ago, Scottish Mag said:

 

That’s mixing two different things though. Villa in the Europa League isn’t the same as Villa in the Champions League.

When they were dealing with Champions League games their league form dipped as well, so it’s not as simple as just “style fixes it”.

Well they should've got top five last season had it not been for a martinez headloss at old Trafford on the final day. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

When I said "So then what you complaining for? If we win every match from now on like Villa did, we make Europe and we've managed the whole season well." You didn't pick up that I was taking the piss out of such a daft outlook?

 

Sorry, it’s my misunderstanding for thinking that the usual approach is to fully judge a season at its conclusion based on our achievements.

 

Finishing 5th could be considered managing the season much better than finishing 12th. It’s a pretty unique way of looking at it, I know.

[The Prophet]

Just now, andycap said:

Well they should've got top five last season had it not been for a martinez headloss at old Trafford on the final day. 

 

...and we should have got top five by beating Everton, but we didn't. Shit happens.

[Mountain]

9 minutes ago, toon25 said:

As far as I can see, Villa gambled and failed 

 

Villa has issues far beyond comprehension.

 

They are a Birmingham club, that's the worst aspect for a start.

 

Their strip is disgusting and always will be unless they change their colours.

 

They are managed by a former Romanian king who bites people's necks during the full moon.

 

Leon Bailey is the worst player in the Premier League.

 

The list is endless.

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Sorry, it’s my misunderstanding for thinking that the usual approach is to fully judge a season at its conclusion based on our achievements.

 

Finishing 5th could be considered managing the season much better than finishing 12th. It’s a pretty unique way of looking at it, I know.

You're judging it now  You've been judging it for months. But your approach is to judge it at the end of the season, okay then.

 

And if we went on a run now in the last 7 matches and finished say 6th, you'd say we've managed Europe and the season well. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, Mountain said:

 

Villa has issues far beyond comprehension.

 

They are a Birmingham club, that's the worst aspect for a start.

 

Their strip is disgusting and always will be unless they change their colours.

 

They are managed by a former Romanian king who bites people's necks during the full moon.

 

Leon Bailey is the worst player in the Premier League.

 

The list is endless.

 

 

 

Their accents should be considered the worst, although that can form part of the general dislike for Birmingham.

[Sir Joel Inton]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You're judging it now  You've been judging it for months. But your approach is to judge it at the end of the season, okay then.

 

And if we went on a run now in the last 7 matches and finished say 6th, you'd say we've managed Europe and the season well. 

 

Yes, I’m passing judgement on our achievements so far and taking a view on what the likelihood is of that changing between now and May.

 

I will also then reflect on our whole season in May and determine whether we have performed well or not.

 

Phew. A lot to take in.

 

For all we know, in your hypothetical situation, it could be that Howe has purposely held Wissa back until we exit Europe to go mental in the last 7 games and charge us towards Europe again. Or, we could have loads of gas left in the tank as we’ve been reserving ourselves in games, leading to these poor results. We’ll only know at the end of the season, hence why it’s a good opportunity to then take stock and assess our overall performance.

Do I consider any of that to be likely? No. Hence why I have my current opinion. Could that change over the next 7 games? Yes. It’s known as being open to changing your opinion based on the information in front of you. Radical.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Sir Joel Inton

[Mountain]

12 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

Another thing in these last 7 games Eddie could do, is give some of the young 'uns more minutes.

The likes of Neave, Shahar... he's had them on the bench so often, but doesn't bring them on. The Carrierbag 2nd leg would have been prefect.

Does he not trust them? Then why have them on the bench?

Does he not think they are experienced enough? How will they get the experience unless they get minutes on the pitch?

We've been playing the same small group of players, some of them into the ground, for different reasons. Yet he has these young players, and never gives them a chance. Maybe these last 7 games should be the time to start giving them more than an odd 5minute cameo here and there.
 

 

Not playing these hungry young players is cruel to them, imagine being on the bench for 40 games and getting one cameo, it's just unethical.

 

I don't even mind that we are crap and also unforgiveable was his lack of reaction or apology when trippier let that young mascot nervously wander the pitch on her own. Probably his worst sin of the lot and even worse for Trippier.

[Mountain]

4 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Their accents should be considered the worst, although that can form part of the general dislike for Birmingham.

 

You are correct.

[Chicken Dancer]

 

22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Villa didn't cope man.  You can't rewrite 90% of their season because they got some loans (because they couldn't cope) and went on a mad run. 

 

If we go on a mad run now and make Europe, not a single person would try and claim we've managed Europe well.

They had 51pts after 31 games last season which is 9 more than we do now. Surely that’s managing/juggling/coping better?

 

9 more points now would have us 5th and everything feels a lot different. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Yes, I’m passing judgement on our achievements so far and taking a view on what the likelihood is of that changing between now and May.

 

I will also then reflect on our whole season in May and determine whether we have performed well or not.

 

Phew. A lot to take in.

 

For all we know, in your hypothetical situation, it could be that Howe has purposely held Wissa back until we exit Europe to go mental in the last 7 games and charge us towards Europe again. Or, we could have loads of gas left in the tank as we’ve been reserving ourselves in games, leading to these poor results. We’ll only know at the end of the season, hence why it’s a good opportunity to then take stock and assess our overall performance.

Honestly if we did what Villa did last season I'd have even less respect for anyone u-turning and trying to claim we'd managed the season well, because we haven't and neither did Villa.

 

But I get it, if you're someone trying to claim Villa managed their season well last season, you have to be consistent.

[Armchair Pundit]

There's no way I'd want Emery, he's a greasy, pound shop Dracula lookalike, who's team thrive at play-acting and playing dirty. He's not a likeable guy and neither is the way his teams play imo, I couldn't imagine him having anything in common with Newcastle or it's fans.

[Mountain]

4 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

There's no way I'd want Emery, he's a greasy, pound shop Dracula lookalike, who's team thrive at play-acting and playing dirty. He's not a likeable guy and neither is the way his teams play imo, I couldn't imagine him having anything in common with Newcastle or it's fans.

 

 

Exactly, nailed it.