Eddie Howe

[Bimpy474]

17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Support the team not the regime. 

 

Us having a sniff of success has turned the same people who threw their hands up at the idea of trying to oust Pardew and then Ashley into massively entitled cunts, it's true, at least on social media. It's night and day.

 

 

 

 

We said don't become like the scummy six supporters, entitled arrogant twats but that's exactly what some have become, success brings that unfortunately, and it tells you how good Eddie has been.

 

And, you know those ignorant idiots from other clubs commenting on how we think we're this and that, big club, should be at the top etc. 

 

Those cunts wouldn't be wrong about sections of our fanbase now, sadly.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Bimpy474

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Saying everyone would be a sweeping statement definitely but I read it as the same people going on like brats now rather than the entire fanbase. Taking the rhetoric on social media now vs say about Pardew in 2014, it's absolutely night and day.

Honestly KI, I can't comment on it - I've never been on twitter - not sure what it was like there Pardew-era.  I just remember that last 24 months being pretty toxic under Pardew.

[Wallsendmag]

4 hours ago, astraguy said:

Our fan base has literally turned into the biggest bunch of cunts imaginable. Never made a squeak when Ashley was running us into the ground. Now after winning a cup and getting CL their world is caving in because we finshed 5 points off europe after getting bullied in the market and by psr with our most success manager. its fucking embarrassing and making up story's to turn on him

 

 

 

 

Again more lies. Plenty of us did. I had my ST in the singing corner for some of his time here and believe me we gave him absolute dogs abuse which ultimately forced him to disband our section. I also took part in the Spurs boycott and various other protests so to say we didn't make a squeak is either you lying or you not supporting us at that time. It's one or the other. Whatever, stop making up stories.

[r0cafella]

I honestly believe "fan opinions" from twitter should be totally ignored. 

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

As someone who was at every one of those matches - there was definitely an issue there; but given that the match before that run was the 5-0 vs Man Utd and ended with the 7-1 vs Spurs with us still in the title picture, that wasn't exactly the same as finishing bottom half having spent a lot of money on a team which finished 5th the year before (and having outspent most of the teams which finished above us).

Being in 6th having spent a world record fee on a player to add to one of the most expensively assembled squads in the league, and having seen what the last 11 months have been like in our online fanbase, it can obviously never be proven one way or another, but I'd hazard a guess that if social media existed in 1996 we'd see some mad disrespect for Keegan.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I honestly believe "fan opinions" from twitter should be totally ignored. 

 

Anyone taking anything said on Twitter to heart/or seriously needs to be seeking help tbh. 

 

I've got an account on there but I maybe only go on once or twice a week (use it for Non League updates more) and I'd agree some of the abuse Howe gets, and talking personal abuse is, well there's no words really. I'll sensibly debate the pros and cons of him staying on as Newcastle manager on here as 90% can engage properly and reasonably. On Twitter that figure would probably drop to 20/30% so I wouldn't even bother.

 

I also think a lot of them aren't actually NUFC fans.

[Kid Icarus]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Honestly KI, I can't comment on it - I've never been on twitter - not sure what it was like there Pardew-era.  I just remember that last 24 months being pretty toxic under Pardew.

Thanks mainly to SackPardew. Anyone who was at that Hull match in 2014 will tell you what the attitude of a lot of our fans was around that time. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kid Icarus

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Anyone taking anything said on Twitter to heart/or seriously needs to be seeking help tbh. 

 

I've got an account on there but I maybe only go on once or twice a week (use it for Non League updates more) and I'd agree some of the abuse Howe gets, and talking personal abuse is, well there's no words really. I'll sensibly debate the pros and cons of him staying on as Newcastle manager on here as 90% can engage properly and reasonably. On Twitter that figure would probably drop to 20/30% so I wouldn't even bother.

 

I also think a lot of them aren't actually NUFC fans.

I get it, it's an easy place to look when your looking for that hot off the press news, or you see replies to a journos tweets but unlike on here no accountability exists for any posts made. 

 

Even if you disagree with myself, KI, interpolic etc you can atleast be sure the views are sincere. 

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I honestly believe "fan opinions" from twitter should be totally ignored. 

I'd expand it to all fans from the club's perspective, but that doesn't mean it's not real. There are obv some bots, but in the main these people exist, you see them across social media.

[TheBrownBottle]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Being in 6th having spent a world record fee on a player to add to one of the most expensively assembled squads in the league, and having seen what the last 11 months have been like in our online fanbase, it can obviously never be proven one way or another, but I'd hazard a guess that if social media existed in 1996 we'd see some mad disrespect for Keegan.

I don't doubt that at all tbh - it would apply in any era.

 

I do think that expectations change over time - partially through success (which isn't particularly fair on the manager who has achieved it) and investment level (which is fair for me).  The parameters for criticising the current manager are different from some of his predecessors - someone like Bruce is patently a worse football manager, though Howe has also not been working with the same restraints as Bruce.  Few of us were willing to give Bruce credit (myself included) for finishing lower midtable despite the mitigating circumstances because we thought he was shit and a wanker to boot.  I think Howe earned some justifiable criticism for spending a lot of money and finishing lower midtable (and I've no issue with others not wishing to criticise this) - but I also don't think anyone is justified in calling Howe shit nor a wanker like I did with Bruce. 

 

For me, the line is it being abusive - Howe is a club legend, and doesn't deserve abuse - for others, it will be criticism full stop (and I think very well rewarded football managers can be criticised for performance, past achievements or not).

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by TheBrownBottle

[El Prontonise]

44 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

 

"I love Keegan, but..."

 

Lost to Boro in the league cup and metz should've knocked us out of the Uefa cup as well during this period.

[Zero]

I just think in any case you shouldn’t be THAT attached to a certain individual in a football club. This isn’t to defend those abuse you mentioned but I mean ultimately it’s not our fans opinion that really have impact on the manager’s or the player’s fate. Even if you support Howe like he is the second coming of Sir Alex, he will still be fired if we have a terrible start next season. Vice versa, if Howe makes a strong start, all those abuses will simply disappear.
 

Very few players really care about fans opinion as well. Their own career path and earning are much more important. This is their job, just like you and me, to make a living. Fans opinion might give you better reputation among the industry but its the contract / salary on the paper that matters most.

 

This is not to have a dig on you KI, I just think all of us shouldn’t take that serious - for our own good. Fans are just a very tiny part in the modern football industry.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Zero

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Lost to Boro in the league cup and metz should've knocked us out of the Uefa cup as well during this period.

 

I was at every one of those games listed there bar Chelsea away. The best of times following NUFC. Was pretty much my life. Loved it!

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

Lost to Boro in the league cup and metz should've knocked us out of the Uefa cup as well during this period.

Metz away was my first European trip - it was bastard freezing - 'pogo if you love the toon' was much appreciated that night as it actually helped warm me up ... (I also don't remember feeling we were in any danger of being knocked out in that tie)

[El Prontonise]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Metz away was my first European trip - it was bastard freezing - 'pogo if you love the toon' was much appreciated that night as it actually helped warm me up ... (I also don't remember feeling we were in any danger of being knocked out in that tie)

 

it was the home game vs metz, they had quite a few chances by the time tino got his double very late on.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

it was the home game vs metz, they had quite a few chances by the time tino got his double very late on.

Flagwaving-Tino that night  - time has faded the memory mate, honestly can't remember being too worried - wasn't a young Robert Pires playing for them that night?  

[El Prontonise]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Flagwaving-Tino that night  - time has faded the memory mate, honestly can't remember being too worried - wasn't a young Robert Pires playing for them that night?  

 

Yes to both questions.

[El Prontonise]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Flagwaving-Tino that night  - time has faded the memory mate, honestly can't remember being too worried - wasn't a young Robert Pires playing for them that night?  

 

 

 

Bobby Pires making a mockery of our fullbacks 

 

 

[Stuy_O]

5 hours ago, astraguy said:

Our fan base has literally turned into the biggest bunch of cunts imaginable. Never made a squeak when Ashley was running us into the ground. Now after winning a cup and getting CL their world is caving in because we finshed 5 points off europe after getting bullied in the market and by psr with our most success manager. its fucking embarrassing and making up story's to turn on him

 

 

 

utter horseshit this, tarring everyone with the same brush. 
 

Ashley was the worst thing imaginable to happen to Newcastle, he tore away the very fabric of why we loved the club to the point where some fans wanted us to lose matches to perhaps hasten his exit. 
 

There’s more than plenty on here who absolutely love Eddie Howe but now have doubts, and have presented those doubts in a measured and fair way, and believe it or not, would be over the moon for him to sort it out. 
 

labelling the entire fanbase ‘a bunch of cunts’ for having an opinion different to yours perhaps makes you the description, and it underlines a growing and nasty theme on here for anyone who dares question the manager. 

[Mills and Boon]

Alternatively, I suggested looking at the new season as a fresh start, getting behind the manager and team and not getting toxic at the first sign of a setback and I was told I sounded like I was in a cult

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Alternatively, I suggested looking at the new season as a fresh start, getting behind the manager and team and not getting toxic at the first sign of a setback and I was told I sounded like I was in a cult

Seems eminently sensible to me - that's my view too.  Line-in-sand time, bit of a reboot and let's give it some time.

[Mills and Boon]

One of us. One of us. One of us.

 

The kool aid is over there by Eddie's statue 

[Menace]

Calling our fanbase "biggest bunch of cunts" when the vast majority are absolutely sound and one of the reasons why I love the club is some reach.

 

Twitter and a few unhinged opinions = the whole fanbase clearly.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Menace

[Kanj]

The whole Eddie in/out thing is only convo to kill time before the season at this point because if the club don’t refresh the squad with good quality players they’ll have done Eddie a complete disservice and it’s only going to end in him losing his job. 

[Geogaddi]

With a chunk of our players seemingly desperate to leave for more money it does make you think about how much effort the likes of Gordon, Tonali and others may have been putting in last season. Especially as we did tend to turn up in a lot of the big games , makes you wonder how much of the bad season was down to poor management or the players just not giving a shit .