Stifler Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 20 minutes ago, BonesJones said: How does promotion work? Just the winners go up? Yeah, likely to change in the coming years. I’d imagine they will want to expand the WSL to more teams, and more clubs are backing their women’s teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantcurlyhair2 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Just the winners unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Oh well this could be a challenge then. I'd love us to get that triple promotion, would be unreal for the girls that have been here from the start of the takeover. Which teams are regarded as favourites? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantcurlyhair2 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 I think any one of us, Birmingham, Charlton, London lionesses or Southampton. It will be a close run league with teams points off each other. I'll be really surprised if one team runs away with it. The finances of the lasses team is really interesting to me. I haven't a clue what they get paid so I'm guessing at an average of £35k x 30 players so approx £1M for players and I guess another £1M on staff. I'm also guessing that there is a negative return on playing at Kingston park against gate receipts which is about £25k per game. I think the club help with accommodation etc and with travel & training I envisage it's about £4M a year to run the women's team. (I might be miles away mind) Taking into account only Arsenal ladies have a significant higher crowd than us, there can be no teams we can't compete against when we get promoted, whether that's this year or later, but that's all down to psr in the men's game not taking into account the cost of running the women's side. It's ridiculous to think that Matt Target's reported wage could be higher than the cost of running a women's team. It also explains the minimum wage, limited hours contracts that other teams in the championship are paying. Men's and women's football is chalk and cheese and I can't see it changing any time soon. The quicker we do it the more chance that the local lasses have a sustained career in football. I would love that to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 10 hours ago, Iwantcurlyhair2 said: I think any one of us, Birmingham, Charlton, London lionesses or Southampton. It will be a close run league with teams points off each other. I'll be really surprised if one team runs away with it. The finances of the lasses team is really interesting to me. I haven't a clue what they get paid so I'm guessing at an average of £35k x 30 players so approx £1M for players and I guess another £1M on staff. I'm also guessing that there is a negative return on playing at Kingston park against gate receipts which is about £25k per game. I think the club help with accommodation etc and with travel & training I envisage it's about £4M a year to run the women's team. (I might be miles away mind) Taking into account only Arsenal ladies have a significant higher crowd than us, there can be no teams we can't compete against when we get promoted, whether that's this year or later, but that's all down to psr in the men's game not taking into account the cost of running the women's side. It's ridiculous to think that Matt Target's reported wage could be higher than the cost of running a women's team. It also explains the minimum wage, limited hours contracts that other teams in the championship are paying. Men's and women's football is chalk and cheese and I can't see it changing any time soon. The quicker we do it the more chance that the local lasses have a sustained career in football. I would love that to happen. There is absolutely zero chance 30 players are on 35k! Most WSL teams other than the top 2 or 3 won't have the majority of their players on that much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheToon Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 24 minutes ago, iklgizmo said: There is absolutely zero chance 30 players are on 35k! Most WSL teams other than the top 2 or 3 won't have the majority of their players on that much! He means per year, not week… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 5 minutes ago, UpTheToon said: He means per year, not week… So do I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cclay Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 1 hour ago, iklgizmo said: So do I! It's all speculation. Only JonBez comesock will know the answer and I don't expect (or want) him to make a comment on it. The only hints are it's not 'huge'. However, players who were not professional have given up full-time jobs when they became professional. The speculated figure is close to a PC's wage and, as far as I recall, this is the type of job given up. I know people will be prepared to give up money to 'follow a dream' but people still have to live. As I said, it's all speculation anwyay and people spilling the beans on money always have vested interests (good or bad). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheToon Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 35k was the median UK salary for full time employees in 2023 so it seems a reasonable assumption to use that figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Neill Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 On 22/09/2024 at 13:40, OpenC said: @O Neill Cracking t-shirt @OpenC. Any idea who is doing the photos now? I couldn't tell from the highlights, but it looked like it might have been the young lass that the club hired to help Serena? Or have they gone and hired someone new to cover the women? Up here Rangers have actually got someone who primarily covers the women and youth fixtures, but goes along to the men's games when needed as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 It's not mine alas (although the beard is similar), I just caught the lad as he was passing by. There was a young lass doing the bits that he would previously have done, aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 I can 100% tell you not even half of the team are on 35k. A couple will be on a bit more, but most are mid 20s, and that is high for the league! Hopefully we'll keep increasing those salaries though, and LCL are handing out some hefty salaries, so if everyone follows suit, things will continue to progress! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 7 minutes ago, iklgizmo said: I can 100% tell you not even half of the team are on 35k. A couple will be on a bit more, but most are mid 20s, and that is high for the league! Hopefully we'll keep increasing those salaries though, and LCL are handing out some hefty salaries, so if everyone follows suit, things will continue to progress! Should be on £35k minimum. £35k should be the minimum wage, how the fuck people are expected to live off less than £2k a month with prices these day is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Stifler said: Should be on £35k minimum. £35k should be the minimum wage, how the fuck people are expected to live off less than £2k a month with prices these day is beyond me. It's crazy! A lot of 'full time' players have to have part time jobs just to afford to live. The majority of contracts are 1 year top, so poor wage with zero stability! Contract lengths are one of the main things that need to change in the women's game, even right at the top! Keira Walsh, arguably one of the best players in the world will go for a free next summer, lucy bronze went for free this summer! Clubs are missing out on transfer fees, good players move around for free, and the average to good players are constantly clinging on to their salaries year by year Edited September 23 by iklgizmo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantcurlyhair2 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 I don't know what's worse, Man Utd making 250 redundancies and the total annual savings being less than Marcus Rashford's annual contract or NUFC women annual costs being less than Matt Targets. I think we should raise the bar and add in Isaac Hayden costs too. I understand women's football will lose money for years to come and these lasses are living the dream, but purely for the joy and inspiration they give the kids that go we should be prepared to raise the bar and lead by example. It doesn't affect PSR so we could throw in Vlachodimos as well. It really makes a mockery of football when you sign a player you don't want and pay him a wage which could make a huge difference to a full squad within the same club. All to satisfy financial demands. Beggars belief. Football needs to sort itself out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 53 minutes ago, Stifler said: Should be on £35k minimum. £35k should be the minimum wage, how the fuck people are expected to live off less than £2k a month with prices these day is beyond me. Unfortunately I expect most women's teams run at a loss, if not all of them. Certainly the money it costs to run NUFC women will be far smaller than the revenue the team generates. They need to look at ways of generating more money in the womens game and in turn passing it down to the players and staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cclay Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, O Neill said: Cracking t-shirt @OpenC. Any idea who is doing the photos now? I couldn't tell from the highlights, but it looked like it might have been the young lass that the club hired to help Serena? Or have they gone and hired someone new to cover the women? Up here Rangers have actually got someone who primarily covers the women and youth fixtures, but goes along to the men's games when needed as well. Harriet Massey apparently. Good pictures, as well. https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/sheffield-united-women-victory-in-pictures Edited September 23 by Cclay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cclay Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: Unfortunately I expect most women's teams run at a loss, if not all of them. Certainly the money it costs to run NUFC women will be far smaller than the revenue the team generates. They need to look at ways of generating more money in the womens game and in turn passing it down to the players and staff. I think that's what NewCo is supposed to do. Whether it works; who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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54 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Crystal Palace Women showing how hard it's going to be if we do go up again, they're played 2 games so far and lost them 4-0 and 7-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I think we'll take a different approach. We'll be able to fire money about the place to build a decent team if we want to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 9 hours ago, Decky said: I think we'll take a different approach. We'll be able to fire money about the place to build a decent team if we want to. Yes, it will be very different for us. There is no FFP/PSR in the women's game, so it will be a bit like what it would have been for us in the men's game, without all the restrictions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cclay Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 16 hours ago, Decky said: I think we'll take a different approach. We'll be able to fire money about the place to build a decent team if we want to. I think this. The policy on promotion, so far, has been to recruit new players who could win that new division if they jell / play well-enough. I think we’ll do the same again - i.e. not just ‘buy’ the division (especially due to all the comments about wanting to go up the ‘right way’, unlike Manchester United). It means we would be unlikely to struggle, like Palace, though we’d be just as unlikely to find it easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cclay Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) Stobbs in; Potts out. Three at back? Edited September 29 by Cclay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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