Kieran Trippier: has a chance to play against Everton (Howe)

[Erikse]

22 minutes ago, joeyt said:

It's barely reports though is it,  it's just based on a photo of him chatting to some girls and a user saying they'd heard he was being sick in the toilet and it's generated people coming up with wild conclusions about how unprofessional he is without knowing any other facts

 

What we are saying is that the act would be unprofessional. If it happened. That's hadly a controversial statement, unless you're a biased die hard Trippier fan. Which I can understand if you are.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Erikse

[joeyt]

6 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Has it though? From what I can see, people are just saying that those actions - if anyone does them, whether or not they've happened here - are unprofessional, rather than saying Trippier had done these things and is unprofessional. I think most people are being fair, balanced, talking about hypotheticals and acknowledging that we only have rumours and discussing it accordingly.

 

Being on a night out and allegedly being sick in a toilet. Do you think go footballers should never go on nights out?

 

I hope Sven Botman or Jamaal Lascelles haven't been on any nights out in 2024

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by joeyt

[Choppy Chop Chop]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

What we are saying is that the act would be unprofessional. If it happened. That's hadly a controversial statement.

What you're saying is unsubstantiated tittle tattle, undermining a Newcastle United player, get on RTG   

[joeyt]

Everything Howe has said about Trippier is how professional he is ever since he joined. 

 

He gets photoed unknowingly on a night out talking to some girls after the squad had a great win against Arsenal and all of a sudden he's incredibly unprofessional 

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

Everything Howe has said about Trippier is how professional he is ever since he joined. 

 

He gets photoed unknowingly on a night out talking to some girls after the squad had a great win against Arsenal and all of a sudden he's incredibly unprofessional 

 

Did anyone say that Trippier is unprofessional in general? Professional people can act unprofessional in singular events.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Erikse

[Chris_R]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Being on a night out and allegedly being sick in a toilet. Do you think go footballers should never go on nights out?

 

I hope Sven Botman or Jamaal Lascelles haven't been on any nights out in 2024

 

 

 

 

Personally? I think professional sportsmen should not be getting drunk in public, no.

 

Go on a night out and stick to soft drinks, drive home sober

Have a few beers at home, with mates if you want, at an appropriate part of the season, away from the glare of publicity and where everyone has a camera phone

[joeyt]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

Did anyone say that Trippier is unprofessional in general? Professional people can act unprofessional in singular events.

 

 

 

 

Is a night out unprofessional?

 

If Sven Botman was in Livellos would anyone even bat an eyelid

[Holloway]

soft drinks are shite on a night out, let's face it

[Smal]

proper weird bootlicker attitudes on display here where people think everyone should be beholden to their employers and not be able to enjoy or express themselves outside of that. 

[Cookie1892]

the lad is obviously going through a tough time and this is how he is coping, we have all done it and maybe not in the position where the wife and kids have gone/been taken away and he is suffering.

 

just because he has went out on a saturday after the match and got legless doesnt mean he is a bad person, or athlete, or captain, or anything else. It means he is human and is just a fella living his life and dealing with things in his own way.

 

How about we show him a bit of love and a kind word and some support considering as someone said above he joined us in one of our darkest times when he didnt need to and was a driving force behind turning this club around and is quite possibly one of our most important signings of all time

 

 

[Chris_R]

Just now, joeyt said:

Is a night out unprofessional?

 

If Sven Botman was in Livellos would anyone even bat an eyelid

 

A night out is not unprofessional if you stick to soft drinks and drive home.

 

Getting drunk to the point you're chucking up in public is unprofessional. Again not for a moment saying that's what happened here, but that's an unprofessional thing to do.

 

I mean if I went to my work Christmas do and was chucking up in the bogs, I'd have little complaint if my boss told me later that it was unprofessional. There's expected standards of behaviour at public events, and when you're a professional footballer then everywhere outside of your house is a public event. It's maybe not fair, but that just comes with the £100k/week pay cheque so you kinda have to suck that up.

[Erikse]

12 minutes ago, Choppy Chop Chop said:

What you're saying is unsubstantiated tittle tattle, undermining a Newcastle United player, get on RTG   

 

I'm saying the same thing that I would say if a player of a different team had done the same. My opinion of an act doesn't change based on what team he plays for. That doesn't mean that I don't support the player. I've already said that I feel for him and that the situation he's in does change how we should see it. It also doesn't change my opinion on Trippier.

 

What I have a problem with is to go after someone who says that the act of getting piss drunk while recovering during a season is unprofessional. That's just stating the obvious, not controversial at all. That also doesn't mean that he did do it.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Erikse

[Cookie1892]

3 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

A night out is not unprofessional if you stick to soft drinks and drive home.

 

Getting drunk to the point you're chucking up in public is unprofessional. Again not for a moment saying that's what happened here, but that's an unprofessional thing to do.

 

I mean if I went to my work Christmas do and was chucking up in the bogs, I'd have little complaint if my boss told me later that it was unprofessional. There's expected standards of behaviour at public events, and when you're a professional footballer then everywhere outside of your house is a public event. It's maybe not fair, but that just comes with the £100k/week pay cheque so you kinda have to suck that up.

he wasnt at a public event or the works christmas party though and the money thing has nothing to do with it however i know what you mean in general as they are a public figure

 

so his boss couldnt say fuck all, just like your boss couldnt if you were on a night out wi your mates and doing the same thing

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Cookie1892

[Tross]

I hope some of you aren't gaffers at work like, be a fucking misery to work for some of you lot.

 

[Erikse]

9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Is a night out unprofessional?

 

If Sven Botman was in Livellos would anyone even bat an eyelid

 

Why are you wording it like that? You should rather ask "is getting completely wasted during a season unprofessional?" Because that is the real discussion here. Just going out is way different.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Erikse

[Pilko]

I don't recall anyone playing the "unprofessional" card when we were absolutely walking the Championship under Hughton and half the squad was basically fuelled on booze, or in the Keegan days when they had a big Tuesday night full squad session every single week. And before anyone says it, yes I'm aware the game & social media have changed a lot since then. 

 

He's got a lot going on in his personal life and if he needs a night out and a piss up to help take his mind off it, is it really such a big deal? Feel like this is way overblown.

[joeyt]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

Why are you changing the wording? You should rather ask "is getting completely wasted during a season unprofessional?" Because that is the real discussion here.

 

How do you know he was completely wasted?

[Erikse]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

How do you know he was completely wasted?

 

I don't. Again, the discussion was about the act of getting completely wasted during a season. That doesn't mean that it definetly happened with Trippier.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Erikse

[Tross]

2 minutes ago, Pilko said:

I don't recall anyone playing the "unprofessional" card when we were absolutely walking the Championship under Hughton and half the squad was basically fuelled on booze, or in the Keegan days when they had a big Tuesday night full squad session every single week. And before anyone says it, yes I'm aware the game & social media have changed a lot since then. 

 

He's got a lot going on in his personal life and if he needs a night out and a piss up to help take his mind off it, is it really such a big deal? Feel like this is way overblown.

 

Clark, Hanley & Darryl Murphy used to frequent Lady Greys and get full of Irish Stout. 

[joeyt]

8 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

A night out is not unprofessional if you stick to soft drinks and drive home.

 

Getting drunk to the point you're chucking up in public is unprofessional. Again not for a moment saying that's what happened here, but that's an unprofessional thing to do.

 

I mean if I went to my work Christmas do and was chucking up in the bogs, I'd have little complaint if my boss told me later that it was unprofessional. There's expected standards of behaviour at public events, and when you're a professional footballer then everywhere outside of your house is a public event. It's maybe not fair, but that just comes with the £100k/week pay cheque so you kinda have to suck that up.

 

I think the unprofessional part would be if you turned up for work the next day still drunk/hungover 

 

I don't think being sick in a toilet is unprofessional

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by joeyt

[Chris_R]

3 minutes ago, Holloway said:

soft drinks are shite on a night out, let's face it

 

Agreed, but that changes nothing. You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer.

 

I say this as someone who loves a drink myself, so I'm not some teetotal killjoy. But as someone who loves a drink, I also know that if I had to get up and go training the morning after a night out, I'd not be 100%. And when you're paid the sums they're paid, it's expected that you're not trying to train whilst hungover.

 

Even if he didn't have training, he's recovering from injury. Sleep helps the body recover, and drunk sleep (as I well know) isn't "good" sleep so he's going to hinder his recovery time. Plus nobody makes good decisions when drunk - what if you get in a fight or fall down and injured yourself more? It's not professional. There's no logic as to why such behaviour could be deemed OK, because it just isn't.

 

I'm not saying it's the worst crime around, or that it's unforgiveable, or that we shouldn't understand someone's personal circumstances, or their general good character, or any of that. But I go back to my first sentence - You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer. Some always will, because they're young rich men with lots of time on their hands and it's forgiveable of course, but it's never not unprofessional.

[Sima]

He's obviously going through a tough time which (if rumours are to be believed) has been mainly caused by his own actions and he needs support to get him through it.

 

Being pictured talking to some women when he is reportedly separated and blowing off steam absolutely isn't the end of the world, he's still a youngish bloke in his thirties after all. I hope he gets the help he needs and gets a move to see out the last (probably) 2 1/2 years at the top level at a decent standard.

[Chris_R]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I don't think being sick in a toilet is unprofessional

 

If you think that getting blind drunk and chucking up in the toilets at a work function isn't unprofessional then I'm out.  

 

And I've done it myself, as have probably at least half of us. But it's clearly not OK.

[joeyt]

Just now, Chris_R said:

 

If you think that getting blind drunk and chucking up in the toilets at a work function isn't unprofessional then I'm out.  

 

And I've done it myself, as have probably at least half of us. But it's clearly not OK.

 

A night out in town isn't a work function...

[Holloway]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

 

Agreed, but that changes nothing. You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer.

 

I say this as someone who loves a drink myself, so I'm not some teetotal killjoy. But as someone who loves a drink, I also know that if I had to get up and go training the morning after a night out, I'd not be 100%. And when you're paid the sums they're paid, it's expected that you're not trying to train whilst hungover.

 

Even if he didn't have training, he's recovering from injury. Sleep helps the body recover, and drunk sleep (as I well know) isn't "good" sleep so he's going to hinder his recovery time. Plus nobody makes good decisions when drunk - what if you get in a fight or fall down and injured yourself more? It's not professional. There's no logic as to why such behaviour could be deemed OK, because it just isn't.

 

I'm not saying it's the worst crime around, or that it's unforgiveable, or that we shouldn't understand someone's personal circumstances, or their general good character, or any of that. But I go back to my first sentence - You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer. Some always will, because they're young rich men with lots of time on their hands and it's forgiveable of course, but it's never not unprofessional.

it was after the win at the weekend(apparently) and footballers are generally given time off to let their hair down as long as it isn't a 3 day bender etc. I agree hoying up in the bogs isn't a good look but it can be put down as overindulgence and just one of those things imo. The worry here is that with his family life seemingly in tatters, he's on a downward spiral and needs help to sort it out