Bruno Guimarães

[Ronson333]

Anyone else notice he’s got a deep swinging corner from the right side..Didn’t think of him as a corner taker before, but it’s actually quite a lethal delivery.

[Joe1984]

3 hours ago, Scoot said:

Not commiting to being at the club until he retires?

 

BRUNO OUT!!! 🤣

[r0cafella]

9 hours ago, Shearergol said:

Still can't get over our fans wanting to sell him

Does anyone "want" to actually sell him though? Or are some people recognising that these shitty rules puts us in an impossible position with nothing but shitty decisions to be made?

[Zero]

If you don’t realize we have to sell players at their peak value under FFP/PSR and criticise the club/others for this, you also has no rights to complain the club that we are in deep shit under FFP/PSR and unable to further improve the team

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, OverThere said:

Nuts. We have a ton of very peripheral figures to be sold, before we have to forced into anything this crazy.

 

Which peripheral players can be sold for good money in a way which would give enough PSR headroom to significantly improve the team / squad?

 

There is a good chance that we lose all our current ‘purples’ in the next 18 months or so.  As long as the money is reinvested (no reason to suppose it wouldn’t be) then it might be something we have to accept.  I haven’t seen anyone actively happy about this. 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by TheBrownBottle

[HawK]

15 hours ago, Shearergol said:

Still can't get over our fans wanting to sell him

 

Still can't get over people that think people want to sell him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Absolutely cannot sell this lad. 

[Holloway]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Which peripheral players can be sold for good money in a way which would give enough PSR headroom to significantly improve the team / squad?

 

There is a good chance that we lose all our current ‘purples’ in the next 18 months or so.  As long as the money is reinvested (no reason to suppose it wouldn’t be) then it might be something we have to accept.  I haven’t seen anyone actively happy about this. 

 

 

 

[Shearergol]

8 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Does anyone "want" to actually sell him though? Or are some people recognising that these shitty rules puts us in an impossible position with nothing but shitty decisions to be made?

@Rod I'll let you answer this

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I can’t see any successful strategy that involves selling all your elite players, surely. What would be the point? Just so you can continue to buy lesser players and finish in the same position? 
 

Like I’ve said before, I can’t see the Brighton strategy working for us on its own. That can only work if you’re happy to finish in a mediocre league position. If you have ambitions to be higher than that you need to have elite quality in your team. 
 

This may be wishful thinking, I admit. But I feel there has to be something more than just selling good players to buy potential all the time. I don’t think any top club does that. 

[Shearergol]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I can’t see any successful strategy that involves selling all your elite players, surely. What would be the point? Just so you can continue to buy lesser players and finish in the same position? 
 

Like I’ve said before, I can’t see the Brighton strategy working for us on its own. That can only work if you’re happy to finish in a mediocre league position. If you have ambitions to be higher than that you need to have elite quality in your team. 
 

This may be wishful thinking, I admit. But I feel there has to be something more than just selling good players to buy potential all the time. I don’t think any top club does that. 

 

Yeah this is where I am. Unless we can somehow unearth the next Bruno for £15m I just don't see how we improve the team by not having him in it. I know people will point to Spurs selling Modric and Bale (although I'm certain Spurs win something with Bale there) but there aren't really that many examples of it being successful.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I can’t see any successful strategy that involves selling all your elite players, surely. What would be the point? Just so you can continue to buy lesser players and finish in the same position? 
 

Like I’ve said before, I can’t see the Brighton strategy working for us on its own. That can only work if you’re happy to finish in a mediocre league position. If you have ambitions to be higher than that you need to have elite quality in your team. 
 

This may be wishful thinking, I admit. But I feel there has to be something more than just selling good players to buy potential all the time. I don’t think any top club does that. 

No, to buy more elite players a la Spurs rather than Brighton.  That’s how Spurs broke into the top six.  Speaking of Spurs, our income is less than half theirs - so we cannot compete with them financially, nor with any of the other big clubs - and we’re not growing at anything like the rate necessary to catch them at any point.  The shortcut is to sell well and buy well.  I think it is wishful thinking unless the rules change in the very near future - not one of the players we have can be said to be off limits.  

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Yeah this is where I am. Unless we can somehow unearth the next Bruno for £15m I just don't see how we improve the team by not having him in it. I know people will point to Spurs selling Modric and Bale (although I'm certain Spurs win something with Bale there) but there aren't really that many examples of it being successful.

We didn’t buy Bruno for £15m.  The point isn’t to do what Brighton did and buy cheap players and sell for big profits.  It’s to buy players like Bruno for big money and sell them for even bigger money.  Bruno wasn’t cheap. 

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We didn’t buy Bruno for £15m.  The point isn’t to do what Brighton did and buy cheap players and sell for big profits.  It’s to buy players like Bruno for big money and sell them for even bigger money.  Bruno wasn’t cheap. 

 

How does the Spurs example work then? Bale at £10m, Modric at £15m. Both happened after Spurs were a top 6 team (from 05/06).

 

Who were they buying for big money and selling for bigger money before that year out of interest?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

How does the Spurs example work then? Bale at £10m, Modric at £15m. Both happened after Spurs were a top 6 team (from 05/06).

 

Who were they buying for big money and selling for bigger money before that year out of interest?

NUFC’s revenues were higher than Spurs in 2006.  I’m not referring to league position.  I’m talking about financial might. 
 

All clubs do this - there’s no reason to think that we won’t.  It isn’t a sign of ambition in the present game to cling on to players and leave yourself in a position where you can’t sign anyone else.

 

Again, no-one wants this to happen.  But a new stadium (if it happens) is years away, revenues this season will be roughly what they were last season, and there doesn’t appear to be a bunch of reality-changing commercial deals hurtling down the tracks.  So the only obvious place to increase revenues is through player sales.

 

This isn’t Ashley-era NUFC - the financial headroom would all be used by the club.

 

The club has already expressed that this is the reality of the situation.  Wishful thinking isn’t going to change it.  If NUFC are to get to where they’ve targeted, then this is a necessary evil. 

[Shearergol]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

NUFC’s revenues were higher than Spurs in 2006.  I’m not referring to league position.  I’m talking about financial might. 
 

All clubs do this - there’s no reason to think that we won’t.  It isn’t a sign of ambition in the present game to cling on to players and leave yourself in a position where you can’t sign anyone else.

 

Again, no-one wants this to happen.  But a new stadium (if it happens) is years away, revenues this season will be roughly what they were last season, and there doesn’t appear to be a bunch of reality-changing commercial deals hurtling down the tracks.  So the only obvious place to increase revenues is through player sales.

 

This isn’t Ashley-era NUFC - the financial headroom would all be used by the club.

 

The club has already expressed that this is the reality of the situation.  Wishful thinking isn’t going to change it.  If NUFC are to get to where they’ve targeted, then this is a necessary evil. 

 

Ok, so you're using the Bale example I guess?

 

Here's who Spurs signed after selling Bale:

 

Capoue
Chadli
Chiriches
Eriksen
Lamela
Paulinho
Soldado

 

They only had one success in that transfer I would say, in Eriksen (£11m?). So their strategy wasn't to sell big and buy big, it was to sell big and spread their net wide with cheaper options, hoping one would come good. Again, who is the example of them selling big and buying big?

[madras]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Ok, so you're using the Bale example I guess?

 

Here's who Spurs signed after selling Bale:

 

Capoue
Chadli
Chiriches
Eriksen
Lamela
Paulinho
Soldado

 

They only had one success in that transfer I would say, in Eriksen (£11m?). So their strategy wasn't to sell big and buy big, it was to sell big and spread their net wide with cheaper options, hoping one would come good. Again, who is the example of them selling big and buying big?

It could be not so much sell big and buy big as sell big and buy bigger than they could have if they hadn't sold big.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Ok, so you're using the Bale example I guess?

 

Here's who Spurs signed after selling Bale:

 

Capoue
Chadli
Chiriches
Eriksen
Lamela
Paulinho
Soldado

 

They only had one success in that transfer I would say, in Eriksen (£11m?). So their strategy wasn't to sell big and buy big, it was to sell big and spread their net wide with cheaper options, hoping one would come good. Again, who is the example of them selling big and buying big?

I wasn’t necessarily thinking of Bale alone.  I was thinking of Berbatov, Modric, Carrick, Walker, Keane, Eriksen.

 

Spurs reached a European Cup Final after selling all of them, and are now London’s richest club.

 

We have zero PSR headroom and that situation is not likely to improve without significant sales.  I’m not looking to justify it, that’s simply a fact.

 

The old days of raising funds by selling players is not what we’re looking at here.  NUFC don’t need to make profits in order to fund new signings - this is why it isn’t a ‘Brighton’ model.  It is just to clear accounting headroom.  That is the miserable place that modern football financial governance leaves us in.  If we don’t sell ‘big’ players, we won’t be signing anymore of them.  

[mondonewc]

21 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

Yeah this is where I am. Unless we can somehow unearth the next Bruno for £15m I just don't see how we improve the team by not having him in it. I know people will point to Spurs selling Modric and Bale (although I'm certain Spurs win something with Bale there) but there aren't really that many examples of it being successful.

Liverpool selling Coutinho and replacing him with Allison and Van Djyk springs to mind.

 

I don't fully understand FFP, nor do I have any desire to do so, but I was under the impression if we sell a player for 100m we will be able to invest significantly above that figure from those proceeds? 

[Shearergol]

4 minutes ago, madras said:

It could be not so much sell big and buy big as sell big and buy bigger than they could have if they hadn't sold big.

 

So how much are people expecting us to spend on Bruno's replacement? Given people are suggesting we accept 60-70m for him?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, mondonewc said:

Liverpool selling Coutinho and replacing him with Allison and Van Djyk springs to mind.

 

I don't fully understand FFP, nor do I have any desire to do so, but I was under the impression if we sell a player for 100m we will be able to invest significantly above that figure from those proceeds? 

This is exactly it.  If Bruno was sold for £80m, you deduct his amortised original fee and that (plus his now gone wages) gives you your headroom.  So that £50m + wages could potentially allow you to buy three £40m players for example. 

[JEToon]

Spurs never really broke into the top 6, they were always kind of, a top 6ish club it was as much to do with getting better managers in

 

They were 5th back in 2005 long before Bale and Modric, it was a bit of a nonsense for a club of their size, playing in London to ever be finishing 10th and 11th really

 

It isn’t like it has been a trading miracle from some small town club

 

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by JEToon

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, mondonewc said:

Liverpool selling Coutinho and replacing him with Allison and Van Djyk springs to mind.

 

I don't fully understand FFP, nor do I have any desire to do so, but I was under the impression if we sell a player for 100m we will be able to invest significantly above that figure from those proceeds? 

 

Yes, but anything you invest over that puts pressure on future years. It's not sustainable. You need the absolute perfect scouting model.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

So how much are people expecting us to spend on Bruno's replacement? Given people are suggesting we accept 60-70m for him?

If we sold Bruno for £70m (not sure who’s saying we should accept £60-70m mind) then it would give the headroom to sign a £100m player if that’s what we chose to do. 

[Zero]

You got it wrong. It is not about “who can we get after selling Bruno now”, it is “what options we have if we don’t sell now”

 

you gotta realize there is a scenario that Bruno past his best a few years later AND we still don’t have PSR headroom to buy our next Bruno, because our revenue alone is not enough to cover all the costs and resulted accounting profit